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FOI requests to the Home Office

Bridget
Joined: 26 Nov 2005, 01:46

10 Jan 2007, 13:14 #1

Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 1:07 PM
From: "July Seventh Truth Campaign" <julyseventh@fastmail.net>
To: public.enquiries@homeoffice.gsi.gov.uk
Subject: Re: FOI request for explanation of train time error in the Official Report into the events in London on 7th July 2005


Dear Sir/Madam

On July 11th 2006 Dr John Reid made the following announcement to the
House:

...I have assured the House in the past, and assured the families of the
victims of the 7/7 tragedy, that we would inform if, at any point, new
information on anything came to light. In that context, I tell the House
tonight that, at the end of last week, I was told that a discrepancy had
indeed come to light. The official account that we provided to the House
states that the train on which the bombers travelled left Luton station
at 7.40 am. The police have now told us that that is incorrect—the train
in fact left Luton station at 7.25 am. It did, however, arrive at Kings
Cross at 8.23 am, as recorded in the official account. Although that
does not appear to affect anything else in the official account, it is
nevertheless an error, which is why I report it to the House. I can
understand why this may be of concern to some. I have asked the police,
as Members would expect, for a full report on how that discrepancy came
about. I will ensure that the official account is amended and will write
to the survivors and to the families of the victims on this matter.

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/p ... 1-0875.htm

Despite the assurance from Dr Reid that the report would be amended, the
pdf download on the Home Office website still has the accused travelling
on the 7.40 from Luton.

http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/documents/ ... report.pdf

1. We would like to know why the train time of 7.40 has not been amended
in the Official Report.

2. We would like to know if a full report has been received from the
police explaining how this discrepancy came about.

3. We would like to know when this information will be made public.

Regards
The July 7th Truth Campaign
�To those who are afraid of the truth, I wish to offer a few scary truths; and to those who are not afraid of the truth, I wish to offer proof that the terrorism of truth is the only one that can be of benefit to the proletariat.� -- On Terrorism and the State, Gianfranco Sanguinetti
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The Antagonist
Joined: 25 Nov 2005, 11:41

11 Jan 2007, 19:54 #2

A reply was spake forth, authored by wiffenjohn:
Reference : T1131/7

Thank you for your e-mail enquiry of 10/01/2007 1:07:06 PM

A reply is attached.
julyseventh@fastmail.net&nbsp; The July 7th Truth Campaign
11 January 2007

Reference:&nbsp; T1131/7


Dear&nbsp; The July 7th Truth Campaign,

Thank you for your e-mail of 10/01/2007 1:07:06 PM asking questions about the Report of the Official Account of the Bombings in London on 7th July 2005

With regard to the 3 questions you asked:

1: A correction slip is awaiting final approval to be sent to the printers.
2&nbsp; A report has been received from the police.&nbsp;
3: As it is an internal police document it is not designed for publication.

Yours faithfully
Crime Reduction and Community Safety Group
"The problem with always being a conformist is that when you try to change the system from within, it's not you who changes the system; it's the system that will eventually change you." -- Immortal Technique

"The media is the most powerful entity on earth. They have the power to make the innocent guilty and to make the guilty innocent, and that's power. Because they control the minds of the masses." -- Malcolm X

"The eternal fight is not many battles fought on one level, but one great battle fought on many different levels." -- The Antagonist

"Truth does not fear investigation." -- Unknown
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Bridget
Joined: 26 Nov 2005, 01:46

11 Jan 2007, 20:03 #3

The Antagonist @ Jan 11 2007, 07:54 PM wrote: A reply was spake forth, authored by wiffenjohn:
Reference : T1131/7

Thank you for your e-mail enquiry of 10/01/2007 1:07:06 PM

A reply is attached.
julyseventh@fastmail.net&nbsp; The July 7th Truth Campaign
11 January 2007

Reference:&nbsp; T1131/7


Dear&nbsp; The July 7th Truth Campaign,

Thank you for your e-mail of 10/01/2007 1:07:06 PM asking questions about the Report of the Official Account of the Bombings in London on 7th July 2005

With regard to the 3 questions you asked:

1: A correction slip is awaiting final approval to be sent to the printers.
2&nbsp; A report has been received from the police.&nbsp;
3: As it is an internal police document it is not designed for publication.

Yours faithfully
Crime Reduction and Community Safety Group
numeral also received a reply from his MP who put the train time error as a written question to John Reid:

http://z13.invisionfree.com/julyseventh ... p=11745245
�To those who are afraid of the truth, I wish to offer a few scary truths; and to those who are not afraid of the truth, I wish to offer proof that the terrorism of truth is the only one that can be of benefit to the proletariat.� -- On Terrorism and the State, Gianfranco Sanguinetti
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numeral
Joined: 04 Dec 2005, 17:55

11 Jan 2007, 21:34 #4

FOIA request to the Home Office. public.enquiries@homeoffice.gsi.gov.uk
Dear Sir/Madam

This is a formal request under the Freedom of Information Act 2000 for
the document specified below, together with further documents.

The official narrative of the July 7 bombings claimed that the train on
which the alleged bombers travelled to London was the cancelled 7.40 am
service from Luton. John Reid asked for a full report from the police as
to how this came about. I request this document.

The Home Secretary made the following statement in the House of Commons
on 11 July 2006 (Column 1307):

"That is why I have assured the House in the past, and assured the
families of the victims of the 7/7 tragedy, that we would inform if, at
any point, new information on anything came to light. In that context, I
tell the House tonight that, at the end of last week, I was told that a
discrepancy had indeed come to light. The official account that we
provided to the House states that the train on which the bombers
travelled left Luton station at 7.40 am. The police have now told us
that that is incorrect—the train in fact left Luton station at 7.25 am.
It did, however, arrive at Kings Cross at 8.23 am, as recorded in the
official account. Although that does not appear to affect anything else
in the official account, it is nevertheless an error, which is why I
report it to the House. I can understand why this may be of concern to
some. I have asked the police, as Members would expect, for a full
report on how that discrepancy came about. I will ensure that the
official account is amended and will write to the survivors and to the
families of the victims on this matter."

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/p ... 1-0875.htm

I also request any evidence that the Home Office possesses that the
alleged bombers did, in fact, travel on the train leaving Luton at
07.25.
Follow the numbers.
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Bridget
Joined: 26 Nov 2005, 01:46

11 Jan 2007, 22:30 #5

Thu, 11 Jan 2007 10:23 PM&nbsp;
From&nbsp; "July Seventh Truth Campaign" <julyseventh@fastmail.net>
To&nbsp; public.enquiries@homeoffice.gsi.gov.uk
Subject&nbsp; Re: FOI request&nbsp; for explanation of errors in the Official Report into&nbsp; the events in London on 7th July 2005&nbsp;

Ref : T1131/7

Dear Sir/Madam

Thank you for the prompt response to our FOI request ref: T1131/7.
Unfortunately your response was not readable within the email, but we
managed to decipher what it said.

We asked when the Home Secretary will be explaining how the error in the
train time occurred, you responded:

3: As it is an internal police document it is not designed for
publication.

We appreciate that the document may not be published. We are asking for
an explanation of how the error occurred, now that you have the police
document to explain this.

We are also concerned that the Official Report claims:

07.15: Lindsay, Hussain, Tanweer and Khan enter Luton station and go
through the ticket barriers together.

Yet the only CCTV image published of the 4 together, to date, shows them
entering Luton station at 7.21.54.

We therefore make the following FOI requests:

1. Could you please clarify whether the 4 entered Luton station at 7.15
or 07.21.54.

2. Now that the internal police document explaining the discrepancy in
the time the train left Luton has been made available to the Home
Secretary, could we now have an explanation of how this error occurred.

Regards

The July 7th Truth Campaign
�To those who are afraid of the truth, I wish to offer a few scary truths; and to those who are not afraid of the truth, I wish to offer proof that the terrorism of truth is the only one that can be of benefit to the proletariat.� -- On Terrorism and the State, Gianfranco Sanguinetti
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Bridget
Joined: 26 Nov 2005, 01:46

09 Feb 2007, 14:39 #6

Bridget @ Jan 11 2007, 10:30 PM wrote:
Thu, 11 Jan 2007 10:23 PM&nbsp;
From&nbsp; "July Seventh Truth Campaign" <julyseventh@fastmail.net>
To&nbsp; public.enquiries@homeoffice.gsi.gov.uk
Subject&nbsp; Re: FOI request&nbsp; for explanation of errors in the Official Report into&nbsp; the events in London on 7th July 2005&nbsp;

Ref : T1131/7

Dear Sir/Madam

Thank you for the prompt response to our FOI request ref: T1131/7.
Unfortunately your response was not readable within the email, but we
managed to decipher what it said.

We asked when the Home Secretary will be explaining how the error in the
train time occurred, you responded:

3: As it is an internal police document it is not designed for
publication.

We appreciate that the document may not be published. We are asking for
an explanation of how the error occurred, now that you have the police
document to explain this.

We are also concerned that the Official Report claims:

07.15: Lindsay, Hussain, Tanweer and Khan enter Luton station and go
through the ticket barriers together.

Yet the only CCTV image published of the 4 together, to date, shows them
entering Luton station at 7.21.54.

We therefore make the following FOI requests:

1. Could you please clarify whether the 4 entered Luton station at 7.15
or 07.21.54.

2. Now that the internal police document explaining the discrepancy in
the time the train left Luton has been made available to the Home
Secretary, could we now have an explanation of how this error occurred.

Regards

The July 7th Truth Campaign
'Interim Reply' received:
julyseventh@fastmail.net

Reference:&nbsp; T1586/7

Dear&nbsp; Sir/Madam,

Thank you for your e-mail of 11/01/2007 10:23:11 PM in which you asked for an explanation of how the error in the Official Account occurred and also asked for clarification as to whether the 4 entered Luton station at 7.15 or 7.21

We are considering your information request. Although the Freedom of Information Act carries a presumption in favour of disclosure, it provides exemptions which may be used to withhold information in specified circumstances. Some of these exemptions are subject to a public interest test. These exemptions are known as qualified exemptions. The public interest test is used to balance the public interest in disclosure against the public interest in favour of withholding the information under qualified exemptions. Section 10(3) of the Act allows us to exceed the 20 working day response target where reasonably necessary to consider the public interest test fully. This is subject to us telling applicants when we expect to conclude our deliberations and provide a full response.

The information requested must be considered under the exemption contained within section[s30]. This is a qualified exemption relating to Information held for purposes of investigations and proceedings.&nbsp; In order to consider the public interest test fully we need to extend the 20 working day response period, and now aim to respond by 12 March 2007.

If you have any queries about the handling of your information request in the meantime then please do not hesitate to contact the Home Office.

Yours faithfully

Crime Reduction and Community Safety Group
�To those who are afraid of the truth, I wish to offer a few scary truths; and to those who are not afraid of the truth, I wish to offer proof that the terrorism of truth is the only one that can be of benefit to the proletariat.� -- On Terrorism and the State, Gianfranco Sanguinetti
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truthseeker
Joined: 11 May 2006, 14:55

09 Feb 2007, 14:55 #7

So they know the answer, but are trying to decide whether to release it. Suggests they don't like the answer they will have to give.
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