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Sinclair @ Sep 24 2008, 12:56 PM wrote: Is this Rangzieb Ahmed trial at Manchester Crown Court the case of Mr. A, referred to in the Shiv Malik/GMPolice/Hassan Butt recent case?
amtte thought so back in May
British Muslim was senior al-Qa'eda leader, court told
A British Muslim was a senior al-Qa'eda leader who kept a terrorist contact book containing telephone numbers and emails written in invisible ink, a court has heard.

By Duncan Gardham, Security Correspondent
Last Updated: 3:01PM BST 24 Sep 2008

Rangzieb Ahmed, 33, from Manchester is accused of directing terrorism between April 2004 and Aug 2006.

He allegedly travelled from Pakistan to Dubai where he met an associate in a hotel room to hand over three terrorist contact books containing telephone numbers and emails written in invisible ink.

The other man, Habib Ahmed, 28, flew back to Britain separately but his luggage was secretly opened as he passed through Schipol airport in Amsterdam and the alleged code books discovered.

The security services followed the men around Manchester where they watched them holding meetings and bugged Habib's taxi and another vehicle, the court heard.

Andrew Edis QC, prosecuting, told Manchester Crown Court: "The prosecution say that Rangzieb Ahmed was a member of al-Qaeda and an important member of al-Qaeda who was in a position to direct some of its activities."

He said Rangzieb had travelled to Dubai intending to travel on to South Africa but was diverted to Britain when something went wrong.

"He was travelling on important al-Qa'eda business," Mr Edis said and Habib had flown out to help him.

The men's conversation in Dubai was secretly recorded and Rangzieb gave Habib a Filofax and two exercise books to carry back to Britain, the court heard.

"They contained information in invisible ink," Mr Edis said. "The prosecution say these books contained information of considerable importance to a terrorist which allows the terrorist to communicate secretly by email and telephone - a contact book for a terrorist."

From Dubai the men flew separately to Britain arriving around Christmas 2005, the court heard.

"During that time he held meetings with al-Qa'eda contacts, assisted by Habib Ahmed.

"He was an important al-Qa'eda man at that time and in this country and it was important for members of the organisation, including Habib Ahmed to help him," Mr Edis said.

Listening devices were put in two cars, including a taxi driven by Habib Ahmed, the court heard, which monitored conversations between December 2005 and July 2006.

Rangzieb left for Pakistan in January 2006 and Habib followed in April 2006.

"He went to a training camp in Pakistan to be trained further to be an active terrorist, trained in explosives."

While in Pakistan, Habib's wife, Mehreen Haji, 28, sent a total of £4,000 in two payments, allegedly to support his activities.

The court heard that Rangzieb, who was jailed in India for seven years after illegally crossing the border, admits to being a member of the group Harakat ul-Mujahideen, described as a Kashmiri terrorist group, but denies being a member of al-Qaeda.

He was born in Rochdale, Lancashire, but spent most of his childhood in Pakistan after a family split and only returned to Britain after his release from jail in May 2001, leaving again three years later without telling his family where he was going.

Habib Ahmed is said to claim he associated with Rangzieb because he was working as a journalist.

His wife is said to accept that she sent him money but did not know it was for terrorist purposes.

When the pair, who have two children, were arrested in August 2006 and their home searched, police found material from the disbanded group al-Muhajiroun and a photograph of its leader Omar Bakri Mohammed speaking during their wedding.

"This is not a trial about ideas, it is a trial about terrorism," Mr Edis said. "It is not simply having ideas but taking steps to implement those ideas by participating in the commission, preparation or instigation of acts of terrorism."

Rangzieb is accused of directing the activities of a terrorist organisation, possessing articles for terrorism and possessing a rucksack with traces of explosives.

Habib is accused of possessing information for terrorism and receiving terrorist training in Pakistan.

Haji is accused of arranging funding for terrorism.

They deny the charges and the trial continues.

source:Daily Telegraph
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Sep 24 2008, 02:22 PM #16

Terror accused 'had al-Qaida book'
24/ 9/2008


Rangzieb Ahmed


A MAN accused of directing terrorism possessed a contact book containing important phone numbers of al-Qaida members, a court has heard.

The book, belonging to Rangzieb Ahmed, was carried into the UK by an associate whose job was to allegedly help him in directing his al-Qaida activities.

The jury at Manchester Crown Court was told that covert surveillance recordings of the defendant in Dubai and Manchester would also help show that he was an important member of the terror organisation.

Rangzieb Ahmed, 33, of Fallowfield, has admitted that he was a member of Harakat-ul-Mujahideen, a proscribed terror group, but denies being a member of al-Qaeda.

He also denies directing terrorism between April 2004 and August 2006.

His co-defendant, Habib Ahmed, 28, of Cheetham Hill, Manchester, also denies being a member of al-Qaida.

Habib Ahmed, who is unrelated to Rangzieb, denied a charge that he attended a place for terrorist training between April and June 2006.

His wife, Mehreen Haji, 27, of Cheetham Hill, Manchester, admits sending money to her husband while he was in Pakistan but denies knowing what the funds were allegedly being used for or suspecting the reason.

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Sep 24 2008, 09:05 PM #17

Page last updated at 17:00 GMT, Wednesday, 24 September 2008 18:00 UK

UK suspect 'key al-Qaeda member'


Raingzieb Ahmed and Habib Ahmed
The defendants deny the charges against them


A British Muslim man was an important member of al-Qaeda with a terrorist contacts book that had sections written in invisible ink, a court has heard.

Raingzieb Ahmed, 33, of Manchester, denies directing terrorism and being a member of al-Qaeda.

The prosecution at Manchester Crown Court alleged he was assisted by Habib Ahmed, 28, a city taxi driver.

It is alleged Habib Ahmed, who denies all charges, travelled to Pakistan to receive terrorist training.

The trip is also said to have included explosives training.

And the prosecution claims that Habib Ahmed's wife, Mehreen Haji, 27, sent £4,000 to fund his training.

She is accused of two counts of arranging funding for the purposes of terrorism.

All three deny the charges against them. The trial is expected to last for three months.

Andrew Edis QC, prosecuting, said a "contact book for terrorists" was discovered in Habib Ahmed's baggage at Schipol Airport in Amsterdam about the time of Christmas 2005.

'Al-Qaeda business'

Mr Edis said: "The prosecution say that the book contains information of considerable importance to a terrorist because it has information that enables them to contact each other secretly and has some important phone numbers for terrorists - a contact book for terrorists."

Rangzieb Ahmed and Habib Ahmed had just finished a meeting in Dubai on what was described as "important al-Qaeda business" when the book was discovered.

They flew back to the UK separately and it was en route at Schipol that the latter's baggage was checked without his knowledge.

The court was also told Rangzieb Ahmed was born in Rochdale, Greater Manchester, but had spent most of his life outside his native country after becoming estranged from his family.

However, he occasionally returned to the Cheetham Hill area of Manchester during 2005 and 2006 when he was involved in directing terrorism, the court heard.

Books recovered

Mr Edis said that in April 2006 Habib Ahmed went to a terror training camp in Pakistan.

He was then arrested in the Cheetham Hill area in August of that year, where the "contact book" and two other related diaries he had brought from Dubai were discovered.

Earlier the court heard how Mr Ahmed and Ms Haji were married by the radical cleric Sheikh Omar Bakri Mohammed, whose organisation al-Muhajiroun was "designed to propagate radical views of Islam in this country".

The court heard how a document was found at the couple's home that justified suicide bombings.

The trial continues.

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Sep 25 2008, 11:23 PM #18

Page last updated at 17:37 GMT, Thursday, 25 September 2008 18:37 UK

Terror mission 'aborted' by death


Raingzieb Ahmed and Habib Ahmed
The defendants had their homes in Manchester searched by police

A British Muslim directing a foreign terror mission aborted his plans when his boss, the suspected number three of al-Qaeda, was killed, a court heard.

The prosecution at Manchester Crown Court said Rangzieb Ahmed, 33, was part of a three-man active service cell planning a "major activity".

Mr Ahmed, of Fallowfield, Manchester, denies directing terrorism and being a member of al-Qaeda.

He is the first person to be brought to trial in the UK for such an offence.

Prosecuting counsel Andrew Edis QC said the phone number of Hamza Rabia, a leading al-Qaeda member was later found on a note written in invisible ink at the home of Rangzieb Ahmed's associate, Habib Ahmed, in Manchester.

The organisation is not going to trust a minion with this exercise. They are going to be trusted, trained members of an organisation who have been given a degree of responsibility
Andrew Edis QC

Rangzieb Ahmed, who is not related to Habib Ahmed, was said to be involved in the mission in 2005 and 2006 with a man named as Mohammed Zillur Rahman and another man called Imran.

Mr Edis said Rangzieb Ahmed was in Dubai when his superior died on 1 December 2005.

Mr Ahmed and his two associates were due to fly on to South Africa as part of a "major activity", after having flown from Pakistan to Dubai via China, the court heard.

He said: "It was clear that he was on a foreign mission and a foreign mission for a terror organisation of this kind is a major activity.

"The organisation is not going to trust a minion with this exercise. They are going to be trusted, trained members of an organisation who have been given a degree of responsibility.

"Things went wrong in South Africa. Rangzieb Ahmed changed his plan and never went to South Africa.

"In order to change his plan he needed help and the person who helped him was Habib Ahmed."

Ministers address

Habib Ahmed, who denies all charges against him, is accused of travelling to Pakistan to receive terrorist training.

This trip is also said to have included explosives training.

The jury of seven women and five men also heard that a computer recovered from Habib Ahmed's property in the Cheetham Hill area showed evidence of a Google search for "where Geoff Hoon lives".

Mr Edis said there may have been several reasons why the 28-year-old would want to contact the then secretary of state for defence.

It would be quite spectacular to do something at his home," he said.

Website searches for the details and addresses of British Army bases and training offices, US military bases in the UK and the chain of command for the Metropolitan Police's counter-terror unit were also discovered on his computer.

When Rangzieb Ahmed returned to the UK at the end of 2005, he had a rucksack which is alleged to have contained traces of explosives.

The court heard it was recovered from a rubbish bin near his brother-in-law's house where he had disposed of it, along with items associated to him.

Rangzieb Ahmed has admitted membership of a proscribed terror organisation called Harakat-ul-Mujahideen, but denies possession of a rucksack which had traces of explosives.

The prosecution also claims Habib Ahmed's wife, Mehreen Haji, 27, sent £4,000 to fund his training.

She is accused of two counts of arranging funding for the purposes of terrorism.

The trial continues.

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Sep 25 2008, 11:30 PM #19

British Muslim aborted terror plot after al-Qaida chief's death, court hears

Rangzieb Ahmed from Manchester is alleged to be member of cell planning to fly to South Africa for a 'major activity'

    * Sadie Gray and agencies
    * guardian.co.uk,
    * Thursday September 25 2008 16:39 BST

Raingzieb Ahmed and Habib Ahmed, charged with membership of a terrorist organisation, namely al Qaida

A British Muslim directing a terrorist mission abroad was forced to abort the operation when his controller, the suspected number three in al-Qaida, was killed in an explosion, a court heard today.

Rangzieb Ahmed, 33, of Fallowfield, Manchester, belonged to a three-man cell that was preparing to fly to South Africa as part of a "major activity" when they received news that Hamza Rabia had died in the blast, Manchester crown court was told.

Ahmed is the first person in the UK to be brought to trial on a charge of directing terrorism. He is alleged to have done so between April 2004 and August 2006, and denies the charge.

He also denies membership of al-Qaida, but has admitted belonging to a proscribed terror organisation called Harkat-ul-Mujahideen. He denies possessing a rucksack which bore traces of explosives.

His co-defendant, Habib Ahmed, 38, no relation, also of Manchester, additionally denies membership of al-Qaida and going to Pakistan for terror training. Habib Ahmed's wife, Mehreen Haji, 27, denies sending money to her husband for terrorist uses.

Rangzieb Ahmed was said to have been involved in the mission with a man called Mohammed Zillur Rahman and another man called Imran. He had flown from Pakistan to China, then on to Dubai where he heard of the death of Rabia, said to be al-Qaida's director of operations, on December 1 2005.

That meant the South African plot was off, and he returned to the UK, said Andrew Edis QC, prosecuting.

Edis told the court today: "We are not in a position to say what they were going to do precisely but it is clear that he was on a foreign mission, and a foreign mission for a terror organisation of this kind is a major activity.

"The organisation is not going to trust a minion with this exercise. They are going to be trusted, trained members of an organisation who have been given a degree of responsibility."

Rangzieb Ahmed had been secretly recorded in a Dubai hotel room boasting that he was "now more than a manager", the court heard.

But once the mission was off, "in order to change his plan he needed help, and the person who helped him was Habib Ahmed", Edis said.

Rabia's phone number was found written in invisible ink on a slip of paper in Habib Ahmed's house in Cheetham Hill, Manchester, along with contacts including an a financier associated with the Madrid train bombing, the court heard.

Habib Ahmed's computer showed up a number of Google searches, one for "where Geoff Hoon lives". To plot an attack at the then-defence secretary's home would have been "spectacular", said Edis.

The Metropolitan police's counterterrorism unit found a number of other computer searches had been made, including information about the chain of command of their own unit, about British army bases, US military bases in the UK, local chemical suppliers, and on Sir Trevor Chinn, said to be a close friend of Tony Blair.

A document entitled Who's In Bed With Tony? exploring the relationship between government task forces and top companies was also discovered.
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Sep 26 2008, 01:26 PM #20

Duo 'preparing top-level terror mission'

26/ 9/2008

TWO Manchester-based members of al-Qaeda were preparing to mount a top-level terrorist mission when their controller was killed, a court has heard.

Rochdale-born Rangzieb Ahmed is accused of being part of an 'active service cell abroad', working with high- ranking members of the terror organisation to hit an unknown target.

He was being helped by taxi driver Habib Ahmed, who attended a terror training camp in Pakistan, according to the prosecution.

A jury at Manchester Crown Court was told the pair had met up in Dubai and that Rangzieb Ahmed intended to travel on to south Africa as part of the unknown plot.

But the plan faltered when a man called Hamza Rabia was killed, the court was told.

Prosecutor Andrew Edis QC said Rabia - whose contact details were written in notebooks in invisible ink - was considered to be al-Qaeda's number three and the director of operations for the organisation.

On day two of a trial which is expected to last three months, the jury was shown a series of documents which had been viewed on a computer found at Habib Ahmed's home in north Manchester.

Searches

They included Google searches on bomb making chemicals and where to buy them in Manchester, the workings of grenades and small arms and the addresses of embassies, British military bases and former Defence Secretary Geoff Hoon MP. Searches were also done on American military movements in this country, the UK British special forces and the structure of the Metropolitan Police counter-terrorism unit S013.

Other searches called up pages titled A Study of Assassination" and another called Guerilla Warfare. Information was also sought on Salman Rushdie and Sir Trevor Chinn, the chief executive of a company said to have made donations to the Labour Party.

Rangzieb Ahmed and Habib Ahmed are both charged with membership of al-Qaeda between January 1 2002 and September 1 2006 and possession of three books linked with terrorism between April 22 2004 and April 12 2006.

Rangzieb Ahmed, 33, of Barnston Avenue, Fallowfield, is further charged with directing terrorism between April 22 2004 and August 24 2006 and possession of a rucksack containing traces of explosives between April 22, 2004 and January 17, 2006.

Habib Ahmed, 28, from Cheetham Hill faces additional charges of possession of information for terrorist purposes contained in books between April 13, 2006 and August 24, 2006 and electronic records connected with terrorism on August 23 2006. He is also charged with attending a terrorist training camp in Pakistan between April 23, 2006 and June 27, 2006.

Mehreen Haji, 27, from Cheetham Hill is charged with two counts of funding terrorism to the tune of £2,005 on May 11, 2006 and £1,991 on May 12, 2006 which was given to Habib Ahmed.

They deny the charges.

Proceeding

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Some controversy surrounds the alleged death of the alleged 'terrorist bigwig' Hamza Rabia. Pakistani officials officially claiming Hamza Rabia died as a result of the accidental explosion of munitions and explosives, however other reports suggest that a US missile caused the explosions at the location.

A local Pakistani journalist Hayatullah Khan, investigated the events associated with the alleged death of Hamza Rabia, at the alleged militant hideout in North Waziristan, but he was kidnapped by unidentified gunmen on the December 5, 2005, & his dead body was discovered in June 2006.

Also in on November 17th, 2007, Hayatullah's widow was murdered by a bomb that was detonated outside her home.

See also the article Who killed Hayatullah Khan?
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Sep 30 2008, 03:37 PM #21

Alleged terrorists wanted 'violent jihad'
Nicola Dowling
25/ 9/2008

A MANCHESTER taxi driver was a secret member of al-Qaida who had a terrorists' "contacts book" with phone numbers written in invisible ink, a court was told.

Habib Ahmed, 28, of Cheetham Hill, attended a terrorist training camp in Pakistan and was funded in his activities by his wife Mehreen Haji, it was claimed.

A jury at Manchester Crown Court was told Habib Ahmed was called on to help conduct terrorist business in the UK and abroad by Rangzieb Ahmed, a 33-year-old Rochdale-born man who was an "important member" of al-Qaida.

It was claimed that the terrorists' contacts book belonged to Rangzieb Ahmed and that he gave it to Habib Ahmed.

The book was found when police secretly searched Habib's luggage as he flew back to Britain from Dubai.

The two men, who are not related, deny they were members of al-Qaida and have gone on trial along with Habib Ahmed's wife in a case which is expected to last up to three months.

Andrew Edis QC, prosecuting, said the investigation had involved the use of listening devices in a hotel room in Dubai and inside two cars in Manchester.

The jury was shown a series of documents including a flyer found at Habib Ahmed and Mehreen Haji's North Manchester home showing a picture of a sub machine gun under the heading "Jihad in Manchester?" - advertising an event with speakers at Longsight library.

Mr Edis said Habib Ahmed and Mehreen Haji had been interested in the idea of violent Jihad and had been married by Muslim cleric Sheikh Omar Bakri Muhammad who was the leader of the now defunct organisation al-Mujaharoun.

The jury was shown a picture of the Sheikh at the wedding celebration and his signature on the couple's marriage certificate.

The certificate also bore the name of witness, Hassan Butt who Mr Edis explained had given a number of interviews to newspapers saying he was a Taliban supporter and terrorist recruiter.

The jury was also told of books found at the couple's home and information on a computer including evidence someone had looked up information from the Anarchist's Cookbook including how to make explosives, lock picking and how to kill someone with your bare hands.

A book called "Join the Caravan", which said fighting those occupying Muslim lands was a religious obligation was also found at the house.

Forensic examination of a computer found at the house revealed Mehreen Haji had been interested in the topic of Jihad and suicide missions because there was evidence of Google searches on whether they could be justified on religious grounds and notes she had made from those searches.

"December 2005 to July and August 2006. That is the key period," Mr Edis said. "The prosecution say that during that time Rangzieb Ahmed who was a member of al Qaida - and an important member of al Qaida who was in a position to direct some of its activities - was engaged in an operation which involved him travelling to Dubai and intending to travel onward to South Africa, but being diverted - because something went wrong - to the UK.

"He was travelling on important al Qaida business. In that exercise he was assisted by Habib Ahmed who flew out to Dubai to help him.

"After they had met in Dubai they both separately flew to the UK arriving on or around Christmas or late December.

"Rangzieb Ahmed stayed in the UK for most of the time until January 17 2006 when he flew out to Pakistan. During that time he was meeting al Qaida contacts and being assisted by Habib Ahmed."

He added: "Rangzieb Ahmed is a British national born in Rochdale. He went to Pakistan when he was quite young and spent most of his life out of this country in other places. But his visits to this country in 2005 and 2006 are of importance. The prosecution say he came here when he was doing al Qaida business.

"After he had gone Habib Ahmed remained in this country, it is where he lives. He continued to be a member of al Qaida and in April 2006 he went to a training camp in Pakistan to be trained in how to be an active terrorist. That costs money. When he was there his wife Mehreen Haji sent two tranches of money to him of £2,000 or thereabouts on each occasion."

Mr Edis said that when Habib returned from Dubai via Holland his bags were secretly searched by the police there and found to contain three books.

"The prosecution say that those books contained information of considerable importance to a terrorist because it is information which enables terrorists to communicate by email with each other secretly and also some important phone numbers for terrorist contacts - the contacts book of a terrorist," said Mr Edis.

The jury was told Ranggzieb Ahmed had admitted to being a member of another organisation banned in this country called Harkat-ul-Mujihadeen, but that he denied being a member of al Qaida.

Rangzieb Ahmed and Habib Ahmed are both charged with membership of Al Qaeda between January 1 2002 and September 1 2006 and possession of three books linked with terrorism between April 22 2004 and April 12 2006.

Rangzieb Ahmed, 33, of Barnston Avenue, Fallowfield is further charged with directing terrorism between April 22 2004 and August 24 2006 and possession of a rucksack containing traces of explosives between April 22 2004 and January 17 2006.

Habib Ahmed, 28, from Cheetham Hill faces additional charges of possession of information for terrorist purposes contained in books between April 13 2006 and August 24 2006 and electronic records connected with terrorism on August 23 2006.

He is also charged with attending a terrorist training camp in Pakistan between April 23 2006 and June 27 2006. Mehreen Haji, 27, from Cheetham Hill, is charged with two counts of funding terrorism to the tune of £2,005 on May 11 2006 and £1,991 on May 12 2006 which was given to Habib Ahmed. They deny the charges.

Proceeding.

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Terror plotters planned bogus dinner, court told

Published Date: 28 September 2008

Two al-Qaeda members from Manchester planned to stage a bogus charity dinner for Pakistan earthquake victims to fund terror operations, a court has heard.
Guests would pay up to £40 per head to attend the function in the UK which would supposedly raise aid in the aftermath of the Kashmir earthquake in October 2005 which killed more than 80,000 people, it is alleged.

Rangzieb Ahmed, 33, and taxi driver Habib Ahmed, 28, laughed as the latter joked the guests would receive "two samosas" for their entry fee, Manchester Crown Court heard.

Both men are on trial accused of being members of al-Qaeda between January 2002 and September 2006, and Ahmed, from Fallowfield, is also charged with directing terrorism.

Prosecuting counsel Mr Andrew Edis QC summarised a number of covert surveillance recordings taken of the two men in 2005 and 2006.

They discussed terror training camps in Pakistan, travel plans for themselves and their associates, and the raising of funds.

They talked about how to raise funds as people were "not giving as much as in the past".

"Habib Ahmed says he is going to have a party when he gets back (to the UK) and raise up to £600 by charging people £30 or £40 a head to come. He says we will make it for the "earthquake people".

"'We will make £500 or £600 and we will feed them two samosas,' he says to the sound of laughter in the background," Mr Edis said. He adds: "If you are martyred first then make a recommendation for me."

Both men deny terror charges.

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