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Boeing 777-200ER Flight MH17

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17 Jul 2014, 23:29 #1

Plane shot down by a surface-to-air missile, U.S. officials say
By Patrick Tolbert and Jackie VegaPublished: July 17, 2014, 10:34 amUpdated: July 17, 2014, 6:13 pm

HRABOVO, Ukraine (KXAN/AP) – A Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777 with 295 people on board has crashed in the Ukraine after being shot out of the air. The jetliner was shot down as it flew over the conflict-riddled eastern portion of Ukraine near the Russian border, the Ukrainian government and pro-Russian separatists deny they shot at the airliner.

The flight, known as MH17, was enroute to Kuala Lumpur from Amsterdam when it went down. There were 280 passengers and 15 crew members onboard.

NBC News reports senior U.S. Officials confirmed MH17 was shot down by a surface-to-air missile.

A reporter for the Associated Press counted at least 22 bodies among the wreckage at the crash site. It is unclear if these casualties were on the plane or killed while on the ground.

Malaysia Airlines announced it lost contact with the flight via Twitter:

    Malaysia Airlines has lost contact of MH17 from Amsterdam. The last known position was over Ukrainian airspace. More details to follow.—
    Malaysia Airlines (@MAS) July 17, 2014

Popular flight-tracking website Flightaware.com showed the plane was last over Ukraine, when it disappeared from tracking. The aircraft was flying at a cruising altitude of 33,000 feet when it last reported in to Flightaware.

Twitter exploded with the news in various languages, including pictures and videos of plumes of smoke. NBC News aired this video, saying they were unable to independently confirm the smoke plume is from MH17.

Still, a Reuters correspondent is reportedly on the scene in Easter Ukraine and “sees burning wreckage of air plane, bodies on ground.”

    #BREAKING: Reuters correspondent on the scene in Eastern Ukraine sees burning wreckage of air plane, bodies on ground—
    Reuters Top News (@Reuters) July 17, 2014

The area where the aircraft reportedly crashed is has seen frequent rocket attacks in recent days as part of the ongoing conflict between the Ukraine and Russia. Ukrainian military officials said a military transport plane was shot at as it flew over the area earlier this week.

The Donetsk region government said a plane crashed Thursday near a village called Grabovo, which it said is currently under the control of armed pro-Russian separatists. The region where the flight was lost has seen severe fighting between Ukrainian forces and pro-Russia separatist rebels in recent days.

Shot out of the sky

Anton Gerashenko, an adviser to Ukraine’s interior minister, said on his Facebook page the plane was flying at an altitude of 10,000 meters (33,000 feet) when it was hit by a missile from a Buk launcher, which can fire up to an altitude of 22,000 meters (72,000 feet).

The warring sides in Ukraine claim they did not fire on the jetliner. Only sophisticated missile systems would be capable of striking an airliner flying at 33,000 feet.

Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko called the downing an act of terrorism and called for an international investigation into the crash. He insisted that his forces did not shoot down the plane saying “Armed Forces of Ukraine did not take action against any airborne targets,” according to the Associated Press.

At the same time, Ukrainan pro-Russia rebels say they didn’t shoot down the airliner. Instead, they blame the Ukrainian armed forces, the AP reported.

Ukraine’s security services produced what they said were two intercepted telephone conversations that they said showed rebels were responsible for downing a Malaysian airliner.

In the first call, the security services said, rebel commander Igor Bezler tells a Russian military intelligence officer that rebel forces shot down a plane Thursday.

In the second, two rebel fighters — one of them at the scene of the crash — say the rocket attack was carried out by a unit of insurgents about 25 kilometers (15 miles) north of the crash site.

Neither recording could be independently verified.

One of the fighters, who states he is at the site of where the plane came to the ground, describes seeing scattered debris. He later describes finding the documents of somebody he identifies as an Indonesian national studying at “Thompson University.”

Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak says he is launching an immediate probe into the jetliner crash.
Flights restricted over warzones

The Federal Aviation Administration issued a Notice to Airmen, or “NOTAM,” in April prohibiting American civilian aircraft and pilots from flying over the Crimea region of the Ukraine. However, that warning did apply to MH17 and did not cover the area where MH17 was flying when it went down. The FAA has since issued a NOTAM restricting flight in the area where the 777 was shot down.

The German-flagged carrier Lufthansa announced it would no longer route its aircraft over the area.

Meanwhile, President Barack Obama is asking his advisers to keep him updated on reports of a plane shot down over Ukraine. But the White House says it can’t confirm the reports.

White House press secretary Josh Earnest told reporters Thursday that Obama spoke to Russian President Vladimir Putin before leaving on a trip to Delaware and New York. But Earnest could not say whether it was before or after Obama was aware of reports that the plane was shot down.
Malaysia Airlines 777

Malaysia Airlines made headlines in March when a Boeing 777 disappeared over the south Indian Ocean on flight MH370 to China and has not been found. All 241 aboard are presumed dead. Flight MH370 disappeared in an area with scattered radar coverage. Thursday’s flight, MH17, was in an area with heavy radar coverage when it crashed.

The airline flies 13 Boeing 777-200ER aircraft. The crashed aircraft, registration number 9M-MRD, was delivered to Malaysia Airlines on July 29, 1997. A typical cabin configuration for a Malaysia Airlines 777 allows for 35 business class seats and 247 economy seats for a total of 282 passenger seats, according to Seat Guru.com.

Associated Press reports contributed to this article.

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The Malaysia Airlines plane is the fourth commercial airliner to face such a fate. The previous three were:

    April 20, 1978: Korean Airlines Flight 902, which diverted from its planned course on a flight from Paris to Seoul and strayed over the Soviet Union. After being fired upon by an interceptor aircraft, the crew made a forced landing at night on the surface of a frozen lake. Two of the 97 passengers were killed by the hostile fire.
    Sept. 1, 1983: Korean Air Lines Flight 007 shot down by at least one Soviet air-to-air missile after the 747 had strayed into Soviet airspace. All 240 passengers and 29 crew were killed.
    July 3, 1988: Iran Air Flight 655 Aircraft was shot down by a surface to air missile from the American naval vessel U.S.S. Vincennes. All 16 crew and 274 passengers were killed.

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17 Jul 2014, 23:34 #2

An odd coincidence from the day before
Netherlands Liable for 300 Srebrenica Massacre Deaths
July 16, 2014, Wednesday @ 18:31 in World




The liability pertained only to the deaths of the 300 men who had sought refuge at Potocari and were then turned away. Photo: www.novosti.rs

A civil court in the Netherlands has ruled that the country shares the blame for the deaths of 300 Muslim men killed in the 1995 Srebrenica massacre. However, the court said there was no liability for most of the deaths.

On Wednesday, a court cleared the Netherlands of liability in the deaths of the most of the 8, 000 Bosnian Muslims murdered in the Srebrenica massacre 19 years ago, but did order the country to compensate the families of more than 300 men turned over to Bosnian Serb forces and later killed, CTV News reports.

In an emotionally distressing hearing at the civil court in The Hague, Judge Larissa Alwin said that Dutch UN peacekeepers should have known that the men deported from the Dutch compound by Bosnian Serb forces on July 13, 1995, would be slaughtered because there was already evidence of the Serbs committing war crimes.

"By co-operating in the deportation of these men, Dutchbat acted unlawfully," Alwin said, in reference to the name of the Dutch UN battalion.

The victims were among thousands of Muslims killed after Bosnian Serb forces, commanded by Gen. Ratko Mladic, seized the town of Srebrenica on July 11, in what was one of the bloodiest events that the Bosnian 1992-95 war saw, in which 100, 000 people lost their lives, ABC News notes.

Two days later, the outnumbered Dutch peacekeepers succumbed to pressure by Mladic’s troops and forced thousands of Muslim families out of their poorly protected compound. Their bodies were piled into hastily made mass graves in what international courts declared was a genocide.

However, the court decision cleared Dutch troops of responsibility in the murder of thousands of Bosnian Muslims who fled into the forest near Srebrenica and were later rounded up and killed by the Serb forces, saying "Dutchbat cannot be held liable for their fate," CTV News conveys.

Relatives of the deceased welcomed the limited finding of liability but complained it did not go much further.

"Obviously the court has no sense of justice," said Munira Subasic, president of the "Mothers of Srebrenica" group that filed the case.

"How is it possible to divide victims and tell one mother that the Dutch state is responsible for the death of her son on one side of the wire and not for the son on the other side?"

Subasic said her association would "keep fighting for truth and justice. And in the end we will win."

The court did not provide details on how big a compensation the families would receive, CTV News points.

Earlier in the long-running case, judges said victims’ relatives could not sue the United Nations in Dutch courts due to its immunity from prosecution, which is a cornerstone of peacekeeping operations across the globe.

A lawyer for the relatives, Marco Gerritsen, said he would carefully review the 89-page ruling before deciding whether to appeal.

The Dutch Foreign Ministry did not immediately return a call asking for a comment on the ruling, CTV News reads.

The involvement of the Dutch peacekeepers in the Srebrenica massacre has long been a reason for national trauma in the Netherlands. In 2002, the-then prime minister, Wim Kok and his government resigned after a report was released blaming Dutch authorities and the UN for sending ill-equipped troops without a sufficiently strong term to prevent the murders.

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17 Jul 2014, 23:57 #3

MH370 Illuminati Symbolism Revealed - The TRIDENT Rabbit Hole

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18 Jul 2014, 01:18 #4

Australia's Qantas shifted Ukraine flight path several months ago

SYDNEY, July 18 Thu Jul 17, 2014 8:19pm EDT

(Reuters) - Australia's Qantas Airways said on Friday it had shifted the flight path for its London to Dubai route over Ukraine some 400 nautical miles to the south several months ago.

A Qantas spokesman declined to comment on the reasons for the shift, which came amid heightened tensions between Kiev and pro-Moscow rebels.

A Malaysian airliner was brought down in eastern Ukraine on Thursday, killing all 295 people on board. (Reporting By Jane Wardell; Editing by Paul Tait)

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18 Jul 2014, 01:24 #5

Eurocontrol: Malaysia MH17 jet was 1,000 feet above closed airspace
July 18, 2014 4:05am

LONDON -  A Malaysian airliner which crashed in Ukraine was flying at 33,000 feet, some 1,000 feet above a closed section of airspace, an agency responsible for co-ordinating European airspace said on Thursday.

"According to our information, the aircraft was flying at Flight Level 330 (approximately 10,000 metres/33,000 feet) when it disappeared from the radar," Brussels-based Eurocontrol said.

"This route had been closed by the Ukrainian authorities from ground to flight level 320 (approximately 32,000 feet) but was open at the level at which the aircraft was flying."

Since the crash, all airspace in eastern Ukraine has been closed up to an unlimited height, the statement said. — Reuters

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MH17 was operating above closed airspace: Eurocontrol
By: David Kaminski-Morrow
London

Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 had been operating 1,000ft above the upper limit of closed airspace at the time of its disappearance over eastern Ukraine.

Pan-European air navigation service Eurocontrol states that the aircraft was flying at 33,000ft when radar contact was lost.

It states that the route had been closed by Ukrainian authorities up to 32,000ft.

But the route was "open at the level at which [MH17] was flying", says Eurocontrol.

In the wake of the loss of the Boeing 777-200ER, apparently with no survivors, the Ukrainian authorities have extended the restrictions within the Dnipropetrovsk flight information region, the airspace in which the jet was travelling.

Eurocontrol says the upper airspace closure limit has been withdrawn and that this closes all routes in the Dnipropetrovsk airspace.

"All flight plans that are filed using these routes are now being rejected," says Eurocontrol. "The routes will remain closed until further notice."

European authorities have activated their aviation crisis co-ordination cell in response to the 777 crash and the airspace closure.

"We call for an immediate and thorough investigation into the causes of the crash," says European Commission president Jose Manuel Barroso. "The facts and responsibilities need to be established as quickly as possible."

NATO secretary general Anders Fogh Rasmussen says: "Much is unclear about the circumstances of the crash. However, the instability in the region, caused by Russian-backed separatists, has created an increasingly dangerous situation.

"It is important that a full international investigation should be launched immediately, without any hindrance, to establish the facts and that those who may be responsible are swiftly brought to justice."

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18 Jul 2014, 08:14 #6

I'd appreciate opinions on this especially amtte and Muncher as I am currently working with the Solidarity with the Anti-Fascist Resistance in Ukraine Campaign and verification of this would be crucial. Given our experience that some CTers are spot on and others miss the target every time ;) we'd value your input

BUSTED! Ukraine Caught Trying to 'Frame Russia' for Shooting Down Malaysia Flight MH17! - YouTube

This is from the US neo-con sponsored Radio Liberty:

With Leaked Calls, Ukrainian Government Accuses Rebels Of Involvement In Crash

Edit: Some analysis at Zerohedge here: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-1 ... ight-mh-17
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18 Jul 2014, 20:11 #7

Bridget @ Jul 18 2014, 09:14 AM wrote:I'd appreciate opinions on this especially amtte and Muncher as I am currently working with the Solidarity with the Anti-Fascist Resistance in Ukraine Campaign and verification of this would be crucial. Given our experience that some CTers are spot on and others miss the target every time ;) we'd value your input

BUSTED! Ukraine Caught Trying to 'Frame Russia' for Shooting Down Malaysia Flight MH17! - YouTube

This is from the US neo-con sponsored Radio Liberty:

With Leaked Calls, Ukrainian Government Accuses Rebels Of Involvement In Crash

Edit: Some analysis at Zerohedge here: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-1 ... ight-mh-17
It appears that YouTube encode their videos upon uploading according to UTC minus one day. This isn't the original meta data that the uploaded video contained. I don't know whether that's discoverable. The BBC News video proves this as the video ''19 dead' in Moscow metro crash - BBC News' was apparently uploaded and processed at UTC 2014-07-14 15:59:56, but newssniffer show the main headline updates as

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Russia derailment: 'Three dead' in Moscow metro crash
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Russia derailment: 21 dead in Moscow metro crash
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Edit : if like me you saw at first garbage instead of the cryllic script you can change that by going View -> Charcter Encoding -> Unicode (UTF-8)

Download the videos using the Youtube Video and Audio Downloader 0.3.6.2 addon for Firefox

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefo ... audio-dow/

I looked at the Meta data using MediaInfo Lite, which was installed as part of K-Lite Mega Codec Pack

http://filehippo.com/download_klite_mega_codec/
http://www.free-codecs.com/download/k_l ... c_pack.htm

which is also downloadable separately

http://mediaarea.net/en/MediaInfo
Переговоры террористов о сбитом Боинге
v-n- zb https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCa_F74 ... S1YnWNeoqA

Published on 17 Jul 2014

Служба безопасности Украины обнародовала запись разговора террористов, где четко говорится, что это именно они сбили гражданский самолет http://v-n-zb.livejournal.com/7263836...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwtxBA1m9x8
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A video uploaded last month on the Security Service of Ukraine's youtube channel
СБУ: Росія має припинити вербувати українських громадян та забрати з України своїх диверсантів
Служба безпеки України - https://youtube.com/channel/UCRxyjhmvBewJIRb2yku5EuQ

Published on 28 Jun 2014

«Українська держава вимагає від російської сторони негайно припинити підтримку терористів, закрити пункти вербовки, табори для підготовки найманців, припинити вербування громадян України та вивести раніше направлені в Україну диверсійно-розвідувальні групи» -- заявив на брифінгу заступник Голови Служби безпеки України Віктор Ягун.
Службою безпеки України отримано та оприлюднено беззаперечні докази про функціонування на території Російської Федерації центрів вербування найманців та диверсантів для дестабілізації ситуації і підтримки терористів в Україні.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpluSF11qVQ
СБУ Росія має припинити вербувати українських громадян та забрати з України своїх диверсантів.mp4
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I haven't compared the differing versions like-for-like but the Security Service of Ukraine channel appears to maintain the original uploaded video of the intercepts
Щодо збитого літака (оновлено)
Служба безпеки України

Published on 17 Jul 2014

СБУ перехопила переговори терористів: І.Бєзлєр («Бєс») доповідає своєму куратору полковнику ГРУ ГШ ЗС РФ В.Германіну про щойно збитий бойовиками цивільний літак.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5E8kDo2n6g
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I re-uploaded the three videos; the first one I attempted to change the recording date to the 07 July
Переговоры террористов о сбитом Боинге-1.mp4
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the other two I uploaded as is
СБУ Росія має припинити вербувати українських громадян та забрати з України своїх диверсантів-1.mp4
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"19 dead" in Moscow metro crash - BBC News
BBC News - https://www.youtube.com/user/bbcnews

Published on 15 Jul 2014

The death toll in Tuesday's derailment on the Moscow metro has risen to 19, the Russian emergency ministry says.

Scores were injured, some seriously, when a packed commuter train braked abruptly between stations in the west of the city in the morning rush hour. Some of those hurt were carried out of the tunnel on stretchers, with the most serious cases airlifted to hospital.

The cause of the crash - one of the worst incidents ever on the metro - is reported to be a power surge.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1I1xJksfCk
'19 dead' in Moscow metro crash - BBC News.mp4
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15 July 2014 Last updated at 18:57

Russia derailment: 21 dead in Moscow metro crash

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-28306458

Version 0
Russia derailment: 'Three dead' in Moscow metro crash
2014-07-15 07:20:27 UTC
http://www.newssniffer.co.uk/articles/809222/diff/0/1

Version 5
Russia derailment: '19 dead' in Moscow metro crash
2014-07-15 12:15:30 UTC
http://www.newssniffer.co.uk/articles/809222/diff/4/5

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Russia derailment: 21 dead in Moscow metro crash
2014-07-15 18:10:18 UTC (35 minutes later)
http://www.newssniffer.co.uk/articles/809222/diff/6/7
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