Witnesses: Alan Treacy LAS, Tony Biles LFB MIAT, Gary Burnham Tube Lines ERU, Richard Travers MPS EXPO, Andrew Meneely DC Scotland Yard & Forensics Examiner
Statement of: Kenneth Murphy LAS (read)
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3 November 2010 - Morning session
1 Wednesday, 3 November 2010
2 (10.00 am)
3 (Draft ruling removed pending approval)
4 (11.00 am)
5 LADY JUSTICE HALLETT: Right. Timetable?
6 Discussion re timetable
7 MR KEITH: My Lady, I hope you will allow me to say on
8 behalf of all the Bar that we are very grateful for the
9 speed and self-evident thoroughness with which my Lady
10 has given judgment.
11 In relation to timetable, my Lady, the arguments
12 have been trailed for longer in advance than those
13 in April and they are narrower in scope. In those
14 circumstances, may I invite you to invite everybody to
15 consider within one week, rather than the 14 days
16 I think we had in April, any challenge to my Lady's
18 LADY JUSTICE HALLETT: Right. Mr O'Connor?
19 MR PATRICK O'CONNOR: We agree, my Lady.
20 LADY JUSTICE HALLETT: Mr Hall?
21 MR HALL: Madam, we are just taking instructions about how
22 swiftly we can move. I understand the need to go as
23 quickly as possible. Seven days is very tight.
24 LADY JUSTICE HALLETT: It is, but you have had quite a long
25 time to consider the various permutations, Mr Hall.
1 MR HALL: I understand. There are a lot of people to
2 consider the permutations, unfortunately. Can I just
3 wait until that call is made or perhaps get a message to
4 you? But I'm reluctant to formally concede seven days
5 at this stage until those have been taken.
6 LADY JUSTICE HALLETT: Does anybody else have any
7 submissions? Right. Well, I think, Mr Hall, I will say
8 seven days subject to hearing further argument from you,
9 if you are instructed to put forward other submissions.
10 Mr Hall, could I also urge those whom you represent
11 to pursue, if my ruling stands, the possibility of
12 finding a way whereby Counsel to the Inquests could see
13 the RIPA material? I am concerned about the argument
14 which I did take very much on board that, if my counsel
15 are to do their job properly, and I am not to remain, as
16 Mr O'Connor put it, metaphorically naked, that Counsel
17 to the Inquest should see it.
18 Now, I looked through the Act. I can see how
19 prosecuting counsel get access to RIPA material in
20 a criminal trial, but I wasn't quite sure how the
21 Secretary of State's lawyers do and, if there's any way
22 through that quagmire, I would be really grateful.
23 MR HALL: I follow.
24 LADY JUSTICE HALLETT: Even if it was only for the Secretary
25 of State, for example, technically to instruct counsel
1 to present the material to me, not to argue it, but just
2 to present it. It seemed to me there ought to be a way
3 through it.
4 MR HALL: I follow.
5 LADY JUSTICE HALLETT: Thank you.
6 Very well, back to the hearing, I think, Mr Keith.
7 MR KEITH: My Lady, yes. May I invite you to call
8 Alan Treacy?
9 MR ALAN TREACY (sworn)
10 Questions by MR KEITH
11 MR KEITH: Could you give the court your full name, please?
12 A. Alan Treacy.
13 Q. Mr Treacy, at the time of the making of your statement
14 in 2005 you'd worked for the London Ambulance Service
15 for 19 years as a paramedic?
16 A. I did.
17 LADY JUSTICE HALLETT: Mr Treacy, I'm sorry you have been
18 kept waiting. I think you were here yesterday as well.
19 A. I was, yes.
20 LADY JUSTICE HALLETT: I am very sorry, I'm afraid we do our
21 best not to inconvenience witnesses, but sometimes it
22 just happens.
23 A. I understand.
24 MR KEITH: On that morning, were you crewed with
25 a Mr Philip Green in an ambulance?
1 A. I was.
2 Q. Was your call sign N, November, 315?
3 A. I believe so.
4 Q. If I may summarise it for you, I think you were called
5 to attend Liverpool Street just after 9.00, but on the
6 way you were diverted to Aldgate?
7 A. I think we actually got to Liverpool Street and we
8 diverted after we got to Liverpool Street.
9 Q. Did you speak to somebody at Liverpool Street who said
10 "There's nothing happening here"?
11 A. I believe so.
12 Q. If we could have on the screen [LAS565-6], we can see at
13 the top:
14 "N315", which is your call sign, "Redbase. CAC: No
16 Then at the bottom of the page at 09.11, N315:
17 "Redbase. CAC: Go ahead. You're sending us to
18 Liverpool Street, but you have also sent us another call
19 down. Which one do you want us to go on?" [LAS565-7]
20 There was plainly some debate with CAC as to where
21 you should go. If we could then look at page 17 [LAS565-17], at
22 09.21, second from the bottom, "CAC: N315 dispatched to
23 CAD 761, Aldgate."
24 Can you just tell us what that text message means,
25 as far as you understand it?
1 A. I would imagine that someone from the CAC has dispatched
2 us to Aldgate.
3 Q. Right. Does the time 09.21 seem to you to be about
4 right in relation to the time at which you were
5 dispatched to Aldgate?
6 A. I've got no idea.
7 Q. You can't say. All right.
8 When you arrived, do you recall there being already
9 in attendance another ambulance crew, crewed by
10 a Mr Cumner and a Ms Ray?
11 A. Yes.
12 Q. We know they arrived somewhere around 09.14, so that
13 would put your attendance at 09.21, if it was about
15 Did you go down to the tunnel?
16 A. Yes.
17 Q. Did you go down on your own or with somebody else?
18 A. I went down with a colleague.
19 Q. Now, do you recall who it was?
20 A. It was Craig Cassidy.
21 Q. Do you recall, when you went down with him, whether or
22 not he had already been down?
23 A. No, he hadn't.
24 Q. Or was this his first trip down?
25 A. We sort of arrived more or less together, and we went
1 down together.
2 Q. What did you take with you?
3 A. I know I took a paramedic bag, but I probably -- I must
4 have taken a defibrillator as well, and probably
5 a dressings kit.
6 Q. Could you keep your voice up, please, Mr Treacy? It's
7 very hard to hear in this large courtroom.
8 A. Okay.
9 Q. What makes you think you may have taken a defibrillator?
10 A. Because I used a defibrillator on the scene, so I must
11 have taken one down with me.
12 Q. Right. Could we have on the screen [INQ8380-1]? This is
13 a plan that you marked.
14 Do you recollect through which door you entered the
16 A. I think it was double doors D6.
17 Q. That's certainly the door referred to in your statement.
18 A. Yes.
19 Q. Was the first person you saw a young female at the point
20 at which you've marked A?
21 A. Yes.
22 Q. Can you tell us, please, what you recall of her?
23 A. She was -- as I say, a young female. She was gravely
24 ill and she was in an unusual position where she was
25 more or less wrapped around a handrail that was, if
1 I recall, bent over as well.
2 Q. Was there anybody near her or helping her?
3 A. She was laying across the laps of a couple of people,
4 and I think there might have been another female helping
5 her or holding her, I can't remember exactly.
6 Q. In your statement, you say you were told that the girl
7 had been verbalising a few minutes before you arrived.
8 A. That's correct.
9 Q. I don't know whether that was an expression actually
10 used at the time, but somebody must have told you that.
11 Do you recall who it was?
12 A. I think it was a female. I can't remember if it was the
13 female who was sitting or a different female.
14 Q. Or possibly the female who was assisting her and holding
16 A. Possibly.
17 Q. When you arrived, could you see any signs of movement or
18 of consciousness?
19 A. No.
20 Q. What did you do?
21 A. I did, briefly, pulse check, checked her over briefly
22 and decided that she needed to get on to the ground to
23 render further aid, if it was necessary.
24 LADY JUSTICE HALLETT: I'm sorry, I'm finding it hard to
25 hear. I don't know if Mr and Mrs Taylor are as well.
1 MR KEITH: I am too, Mr Treacy. Could you please keep your
2 voice up. So --
3 LADY JUSTICE HALLETT: You have to compete with the fan,
4 apart from anything else, Mr Treacy.
5 A. I'll try, I'll try.
6 MR KEITH: You checked her pulse. Was that in her wrist or
7 her neck?
8 A. In her neck.
9 Q. Do you recall what signs, if any, there were of a pulse?
10 A. There was no pulse.
11 Q. There was no pulse?
12 A. No pulse.
13 Q. You said that she needed then to be placed on the ground
14 for to you render further aid. What further aid were
15 you anticipating giving her?
16 A. I was anticipating opening her airway and seeing if
17 there was any further signs of life and, if not, then
18 she would have been deceased.
19 Q. Your statement records how she was gently removed from
20 around the pole and laid on the ground. Having laid her
21 down, what further tests did you carry out?
22 A. I decided to put an ECG on her just to make sure there
23 was nothing further I could do, rather than -- I know
24 we're only supposed to open the airway and, if they
25 don't breathe, then that's it, they're dead. But
1 I decided, because she was so young, she might be viable
2 to respond well to resuscitation efforts, but
3 unfortunately, she was in asystole, her pupils were
4 fixed and dilated, so at that point I decided that there
5 was nothing I could do, unfortunately.
6 Q. When you say that the reading was asystolic, what does
7 that mean?
8 A. There was no organised electrical activity in the heart,
9 it was just a straight line.
10 Q. No electrical activity in the heart, just a straight
12 A. Yes.
13 Q. Because there was no electrical activity and a straight
14 line, did that have some bearing on whether or not she
15 could be resuscitated, for example, by use of
16 a defibrillator?
17 A. You can't defibrillate somebody if they're asystole.
18 Q. Can you give us some idea of how long you tended to the
19 young girl for?
20 A. Minutes, probably, minutes.
21 Q. In your statement -- sorry, in your plan, you have then
22 marked a person as being located at point B. We'll see
23 in a moment that, according to your statement, that was
24 a deceased male, possibly blond or fair-haired, but
25 I want to ask you first about whether you are sure that
1 B was the correct spot.
2 Is it possible that the next person you then tended
3 to was further along the carriage nearer the bomb, or
4 are you sure that they were in the double door area near
5 D6, that is quite close to the first person, the young
6 lady you tended to?
7 A. After consideration, I think I might be wrong on that
9 Q. What makes you think you might be wrong, not just
10 because I have put it to you, but ...
11 A. No, because I remember, where Carrie was, there was
12 no -- as far as I was aware, there was no injuries
13 further in that carriage, they were all further down
14 towards the bombsite.
15 Q. Where, now, do you think person B may have been?
16 A. Further towards the -- where the bomb went off.
17 Q. In the double door area D7, D6, perhaps, nearer the
19 A. The -- probably more D8.[Richard Ellery, this is not the 1st witness to place him at D6 rather than D8]
20 Q. Sorry, I've said D7, I meant to say between D7 and D8,
21 right. Tell us, please, what you can recall of
22 person B.
23 A. From recollection, he was a young, fair-haired male with
24 a blue and white striped shirt on.
25 Q. Was he moving?
1 A. No.
2 Q. Were there any signs of life?
3 A. No.
4 Q. Did you again undertake a test of his pulse?
5 A. I did.
6 Q. Neck or wrist?
7 A. Neck.
8 Q. Did you again apply an ECG?
9 A. I believe so.
10 Q. What was the reading?
11 A. Again, asystole again.
12 Q. That is to say there was a flatline and no electrical
14 A. Correct.
15 Q. Does that therefore mean that there was simply no
16 purpose to be gained in applying a defibrillator
18 A. Correct.
19 Q. In your statement, you also describe how there were
20 a number of people on the floor of the carriage adjacent
21 to seats 20 and 21, and you've marked their position as
22 C. Tell us, please, what you can recall of them.
23 A. I believe it was two people. One had severe head
24 injuries and, from recollection, the other one was --
25 had some limbs missing, and that's as far as I can
1 recall on that.
2 Q. Was their state such that there was nothing to be gained
3 in seeking evidence of a pulse?
4 A. No, they were clearly dead, they were clearly dead.
5 Q. No further steps were taken by you to ascertain whether
6 life was extinct?
7 A. No.
8 Q. You've marked on your plan, at D, the location of yet
9 a further person. Can you recall, please, what you
10 remember of D? [Shouldn't this be the position of Richard Ellery?]
11 A. I can't recall too much about that at all, to be honest.
12 Q. In your statement, you say there was at least one male
13 deceased person on the floor at the position marked D.
14 So you must certainly, at the time of your statement,
15 have recollected that he was male.
16 A. Yes.
17 Q. Do you recollect anything at all about the extent of his
19 A. Not now.
20 Q. Do we take it from the fact that you made an observation
21 that he was dead that there was, at the time, nothing,
22 it seemed to you, that could be done for him?
23 A. That's correct.
24 Q. You describe in your statement also the treatment of
25 a lady in the rear of the carriage who had lost her left
1 hand, we know that to be Kira Mason, and she was in the
2 vicinity of 15 and 16, and also a lady, Martine Wright,
3 who had -- you described them as horrific lower leg
4 injuries, who was near 18, and who had a tourniquet
5 applied and a man at 17 who also had had a traumatic
6 amputation and had a rudimentary tourniquet applied.
7 Did you tend to them?
8 A. I don't think so. I think my colleagues were attending
9 to both those.
10 Q. So after you had moved through the carriage and seen the
11 people at A, B, C and D, what did you do?
12 A. I just assisted my colleagues in extracting the people
13 out the carriage.
14 Q. That meant getting them out of the wreckage, helping
15 them being stretchered out --
16 A. Yes.
17 Q. -- and assisting the Fire Brigade in that process?
18 A. That's correct.
19 Q. There were obviously a number of Fire Brigade
20 firefighters there at this time. Whilst you were
21 progressing through the carriage and, firstly, looking
22 after the young lady at A, do you recall where your
23 colleagues were, in particular Mr Cassidy?
24 A. He was further down the carriage towards double doors
25 D8. He went to that side.
1 Q. So he went there first, whereas you went --
2 A. I think he came in with me at D8 -- D6 initially, and
3 I might have said to him "I can cope. You go to the
4 other carriage", because we couldn't physically get from
5 D6 to D8 without actually going out of the train because
6 of the amount of debris between.
7 Q. Do you recall any other paramedics being in the near
8 vicinity of these casualties?
9 A. I remember Steve Jones being somewhere on the train,
10 I can't, I can't --
11 Q. Do you recall whether he was there throughout or may
12 there have come a time when he left the train?
13 A. I've got no idea.
14 Q. You can't recall. Were there any other people who may
15 have been paramedics that you recall in the carriage?
16 A. I know there were other paramedics there, but I couldn't
17 tell you who they were.
18 Q. You don't know who they were. Now, one more question,
19 please, in relation to the person at B, who we now know
20 was in the vicinity of D8. You placed an ECG machine on
21 him and ascertained that he was asystolic.
22 Do you recall there being any other signs, were
23 there any signs that he had been treated; for example,
24 was there an oxygen mask on his face, of any type?
25 A. I don't recall there being one.
1 Q. Do you recollect anybody else approaching B and
2 providing medical assistance, perhaps the HEMS doctor
3 who we know was on the train?
4 A. No.
5 Q. Nobody else?
6 A. No.
7 Q. You mentioned earlier that you had taken a defibrillator
8 and you thought that you had because, as you've just
9 told us, you'd used it. On whom did you use it?
10 A. On Carrie Taylor and the gentleman at B, in figure B.
11 Q. Just so that we're clear about this, is that a different
12 piece of equipment from the ECG device --
13 A. No, it's the same, it's a small defibrillator.
14 Q. Lastly, I want to ask you about, in general terms, what
15 you did that day. Could we have, please, on the screen
17 You refer in the middle of the page to a conscious
18 decision to enter the scene, despite reservations that
19 you had for your own safety, and you felt an obligation
20 of care to the victims of the blast. If we could then
21 have it off the screen, please. Did there come a time
22 when there was some discussion of the risk of secondary
24 A. Yes.
25 Q. Do you recall whether that moment came whilst you were
1 still tending to casualties in the carriage?
2 A. Yes.
3 Q. So did you, therefore, consciously decide that,
4 notwithstanding that risk, you would stay?
5 A. Yes.
6 MR KEITH: Thank you very much. Will you stay there,
8 A. Thank you.
9 LADY JUSTICE HALLETT: Mr Coltart?
10 Questions by MR COLTART
11 MR COLTART: Just two or three questions, Mr Treacy, if we
12 may, on timings.
13 I think we've established that you arrived at
14 Aldgate at about 9.21. We know, at that stage, that in
15 the entrance to the Tube station there were various
16 meetings going on and discussions between the various
17 members of the emergency services. Were you involved in
18 any of those discussions or meetings before you went
19 down to the platform and on to the carriage?
20 A. I had a brief discussion with my colleagues as to the
21 situation, because obviously Tony and Andrea arrived
22 first, so I just quickly spoke to them and they said
23 "There's casualties downstairs, they've declared a major
25 My colleague, Phil Green, I asked him to stay up to
1 triage casualties coming up, and I decided that I would
2 go down and do what I could downstairs.
3 Q. So you were pretty swiftly downstairs and onto the
5 A. It probably took less than 30 seconds to a minute.
6 Q. Thank you.
7 LADY JUSTICE HALLETT: Who was your colleague going to
9 A. Anybody coming up. There was -- by that stage, there
10 was at least three colleagues upstairs who could deal
11 with anybody coming up, so I thought I was better
12 employed downstairs on the train.
13 MR COLTART: You went with Craig Cassidy?
14 A. Yes.
15 Q. Are you able to recall now whether this was to be his
16 first trip down on to the carriage or whether he had
17 already been down once and come back up again?
18 A. No, this was his first trip.
19 Q. Finally this, please: are you able to estimate how long
20 you were dealing with Ms Taylor when you first got on to
21 the carriage before you went over and applied your ECG
22 machine to the young man at point B?
23 A. It would be a guess, but I would say five minutes maybe.
24 I could be wrong on that.
25 MR COLTART: We appreciate it's very difficult now. Okay,
1 thank you.
2 LADY JUSTICE HALLETT: Mr Saunders?
3 Questions by MR SAUNDERS
4 MR SAUNDERS: You've obviously had a chance, Mr Treacy, to
5 look at your statement before coming in to give your
6 evidence. At the conclusion of it, in dealing with
7 Aldgate before you then go on to deal with moving to
8 Russell Square, you say on the carriage you recall
9 seeing Steve Jones, the motorcycle paramedic. My Lady,
10 it's your page 3.
11 Your colleague, Phil Green, also came on board.
12 Now, you've just told the gentleman that was asking
13 questions, and her Ladyship, that Mr Green was triaging
14 upstairs. There was obviously a point where he moves
15 from there on to the carriage.
16 A. That's right.
17 Q. "[They] also came on board ... in addition to the HEMS
18 doctor and the colleague I initially went underground
20 You've told us, and confirmed, that that colleague
21 would be Cassidy, Craig Cassidy?
22 A. Yes.
23 Q. Did you go underground before the HEMS doctor arrived?
24 A. Yes.
25 Q. We have heard evidence already, Mr Treacy, that next to
1 Carrie Taylor, as you know her to have been, was another
2 young lady called Fiona Stevenson. You've described
3 already Carrie's position on the lap of Crystal Main who
4 was in seat number 22.
5 In seat 21, the young man called Bruce Lait, who's
6 described how he had Fiona Stevenson positioned on top
7 of him. You were responsible for removing Carrie.
8 I think that's right, isn't it?
9 A. Yes.
10 Q. Did you at any stage remove the young lady next to
11 Carrie, who we know to be Fiona Stevenson?
12 A. I don't recall doing that. [Has anyone mentioned Fiona apart from Bruce Lait?]
13 Q. You again have -- and we appreciate it's a long time
14 ago -- mentioned that position C -- can we have back
15 your plan so that you have it in mind, [INQ8380-1]? Thank
16 you very much indeed.
17 Position A is obviously Carrie, Carrie Taylor.
18 Position C you've described as being two people, not
20 A. From my recollection, it was two.
21 Q. Yes. We understand that there were originally two but,
22 by the end, when all of those who survived and were
23 living and able to be moved were moved, Fiona Stevenson
24 ends up in that vicinity. What the Stevensons are
25 trying to find out is who was it that may have moved
1 her. Do you understand?
2 A. I do.
3 Q. But at the time you're there, your recollection was,
4 when you made your statement on 30 November, there were
5 two at position C.
6 A. If that's what I said, yes.
7 Q. In fairness to you, you said:
8 "I saw two people on the floor of the carriage
9 adjacent to seats 20, 21."
10 That's what you've marked there. Then you go on to
11 describe them, and how badly injured, "but sufficient
12 that I could tell it was two people" is what you say.
13 But you can't help, you have no recollection of
14 maybe moving somebody to free Mr Lait who, after that
15 happens, we're told was able himself to get off the
16 carriage and to go back to the Underground?
17 A. I've no recollection of moving that lady.
18 Q. You don't remember, in fact, a male getting off the
19 carriage either?
20 A. There were a number of walking wounded who got off at
21 that time.
22 Q. Yes.
23 A. And at the time, it was full of smoke, it was pitch
24 dark. I had a small torch that I was trying to work
1 Q. Your concentration was on Carrie at that moment?
2 A. Exactly.
3 MR SAUNDERS: All right. Thank you very much indeed,
4 Mr Treacy.
5 LADY JUSTICE HALLETT: Ms Sheff?
6 Questions by MS SHEFF
7 MS SHEFF: Just following on from that, Mr Treacy, of those
8 two people that you saw at C, was it one of them who had
9 the severe head injuries?
10 A. Yes.
11 Q. Was that a woman with long dark hair, can you remember?
12 A. I can't remember.
13 Q. Maybe wearing denim, a denim jacket?
14 A. I can't recall.
15 Q. You can't tell what gender that person was, but it was
16 certainly one of the two with a head injury?
17 A. Yes, possibly at the time I could have been able to tell
18 you, but five years later, I can't remember.
19 Q. Were those two bodies on top of each other?
20 A. I seem to recall them on the floor next to the seats,
21 adjacent to each other. I can't say for sure whether
22 they were on top of each other.
23 Q. Do you think the person with the severe head injury was
24 actually on top of the person underneath?[Why not refer to his statement?]
25 A. I can't remember, I can't remember.
1 Q. I know, it's very difficult after this time.
2 A. I've tried hard to forget for the last five years.
3 Q. Of course, and a hugely traumatic scene.
4 A. Yes.
5 MS SHEFF: Thank you very much for trying to assist us.
6 LADY JUSTICE HALLETT: Thank you, Ms Sheff. Any other
8 MS SIMCOCK: My Lady, I don't know if Mr Taylor has any?
9 LADY JUSTICE HALLETT: Mr Taylor, would you like to ask your
10 questions now?
11 This is Mr Taylor, the father of Carrie.
12 Questions by MR TAYLOR
13 MR TAYLOR: Good morning, Mr Treacy.
14 A. Good morning.
15 Q. I'd just like to ask you a few questions about Carrie.
16 You were the person that actually saw Carrie.
17 You say when you first arrived and saw Carrie, you
18 said that she was gravely ill. That doesn't say to me
19 that she was actually passed away. Did you get the
20 sense that she had passed away straightaway or perhaps
21 at a later time?
22 A. She was certainly pulseless when I checked her
24 Q. She had no pulse?
25 A. She had no pulse.
1 Q. No breathing?
2 A. No breathing, no pulse.
3 Q. There was no gurgling noise, no noise coming from her at
5 A. She made no noise at all.
6 Q. You say there was a lady doctor with her, a lady with
8 A. There was possibly a lady with her, but she was
9 certainly across the lap of a young lady.
10 Q. Across the lap of a young lady. You didn't see a lady
11 doctor, a Dr Quaghebeur, with her, supporting her?
12 A. There were a number of people still milling around on
13 the train at that point, I'm not quite sure who -- she
14 may well have identified herself as a doctor, I can't
16 Q. Okay. Now, when someone is asystolic, I think the word
17 is, flatlined, basically, there's no point in using
18 a defibrillator machine because it doesn't work,
20 A. It doesn't work for that.
21 Q. What can you do after that? Can you use CPR on
22 a patient?
23 A. If it was an individual patient and not a major
24 incident, you could use -- for someone who is in a blunt
25 trauma cardiac arrest, you could use CPR for five
1 minutes and, if there was no pulse after five minutes,
2 we would stop.
3 Q. Obviously, this was a mass casualty incident. Can you
4 use drugs on them? Can you use a drug on them, can you
5 use atropine or --
6 A. You can use adrenalin and atropine for asystole.
7 Q. That's the normal procedure you would do if you went to
8 a single --
9 A. Yes.
10 Q. But in this case, obviously, you were concerned about
11 other people?
12 A. I was, and the major incident -- our protocols are just
13 to open the airway and, if there's no sign of pulse or
14 breathing after that, then we don't normally continue,
15 but because Carrie was so young, I decided to go a bit
16 further and see if there was any possibility of a pulse,
17 but, unfortunately, there was nothing.
18 Q. At that time, your other colleague was going around and
19 he was putting the triage numbers on other people, was
21 A. I was not aware of what he was doing, sorry.
22 Q. Now, you helped remove Carrie from the pole, the metal
24 A. That's correct.
25 Q. Did anybody else help you?
1 A. From recollection, I don't remember anybody being there,
2 but that's my recollection now. It might have been
3 different at the time.
4 Q. I would imagine that would be quite difficult.
5 Had the pole pierced Carrie's body?
6 A. No.
7 Q. From there, you took Carrie and you laid her on the
8 makeshift stretcher?
9 A. We -- initially, I laid her on the floor, initially, to
10 open the airway and put the defibrillator pads on, and
11 then, from there, we put her on a stretcher and got her
12 off the train.
13 Q. Okay. Basically, what injuries did you notice with
15 A. I didn't see any -- I don't recall seeing any injuries.
16 Q. None at all?
17 A. Not from recollection. I can't remember.
18 Q. Thank you very much, sir.
19 A. Sorry I can't be more helpful than that, but I just
20 don't remember any injuries on her.
21 MR TAYLOR: Thank you very much. Thank you for what you
23 A. I'm sorry I couldn't be more useful.
24 LADY JUSTICE HALLETT: Thank you, Mr Taylor. Ms Simcock?
25 Questions by MS SIMCOCK
1 MS SIMCOCK: I wonder if we could clarify the timings of
2 your arrival, Mr Treacy. Could we have on screen,
3 please, [LAS565-15]?
4 There's an entry there at 9.20, third from the
5 bottom, if that could just be highlighted. Your
6 ambulance was call sign N315, is that right?
7 A. I believe so, yes.
8 Q. We see there "N315 at RVP". Timed at 9.20. When you
9 went to Aldgate station, where did you park your
11 A. We parked behind Tony Cumner's ambulance, first
12 ambulance on scene.
13 Q. Which was call sign N301, also mentioned there. When
14 you arrived on scene, how long do you think it took you
15 from attending and parking up your ambulance to getting
16 to the train? I appreciate timings are difficult.
17 A. Less than one to two minutes. Just however long it took
18 to walk down there, basically.
19 Q. Can I ask you about how you received the call to attend
20 an incident initially at Liverpool Street and then to
21 Aldgate? Were you on station at the time?
22 A. We were.
23 Q. Does that mean you were physically at the ambulance
25 A. That's correct, yes.
1 Q. Do you remember how you received the call to attend?
2 Was it a verbal instruction?
3 A. It was via telephone.
4 Q. Was that instruction also by telephone followed up by
5 a call being sent to your mobile data terminal in the
7 A. I think the system is that both are sent simultaneously,
8 they call us and the call is sent down to the MDT as
9 well, and in the ambulance.
10 Q. Does it sometimes occur that you are given an
11 instruction on station to attend and it only later comes
12 through to your mobile data terminal when you're
13 en route?
14 A. It's possible, yes.
15 Q. Can you recall, if that was the case, on the day?
16 A. I don't recall that.
17 Q. Just dealing with when you went down to the train, then,
18 your recollection, so we're clear, is you went down with
19 Craig Cassidy a paramedic, is that right?
20 A. That's correct.
21 Q. You stayed on the train and never left until you leave
22 finally at the end, is that right?
23 A. I stayed on the train until it was declared a crime
24 scene by the police and we left then.
25 Q. So you're not one of the paramedics who goes back up to
1 the surface and returns to the train?
2 A. No.
3 Q. Mr Cassidy's evidence was that he also went down to the
4 train, remained on the train, and never left until he
5 finally left the scene. Do you remember him being with
6 you on the train throughout?
7 A. He was further down the carriage throughout -- he wasn't
8 physically with me, but he was on the train with me,
10 Q. Just finally, can we have on screen, please, [LAS-CAP-42]?
11 You've been asked about a defibrillator machine. Is
12 the top picture there the picture of the defibrillator
13 you had on the day?
14 A. That's correct.
15 Q. That's what you used on Carrie Taylor and
16 Richard Ellery?
17 A. That's right.
18 MS SIMCOCK: I'm very grateful, thank you, my Lady.
19 LADY JUSTICE HALLETT: Thank you. Any other questions for
20 Mr Treacy?
21 Thank you very much, Mr Treacy. I have a question.
22 As far as you were concerned, there you were on the
23 train trying to help these desperately injured people.
24 Did you ever get the impression that there weren't
25 enough paramedics to help or that there wasn't enough
2 A. We could always do with more help, obviously, but
3 I think more paramedics would probably have just got in
4 the way, basically, because a lot of the people were
5 walking wounded, so as soon as they were triaged, we got
6 them off, then it was just a case of getting people who
7 were trapped or injured off. So we probably had enough
8 resources there.
9 LADY JUSTICE HALLETT: So you weren't aware of calls for
10 either more people or calls for stretchers or anything?
11 Things seemed to be there when you needed them?
12 A. I asked for stretchers and the Fire Brigade conveyed
13 that to my colleagues upstairs and we got stretchers.
14 LADY JUSTICE HALLETT: Was there any delay in your asking
15 for stretchers and, when you actually needed them,
16 having them there?
17 A. No.
18 LADY JUSTICE HALLETT: Right, that's all I have to ask you.
19 Thank you very much, Mr Treacy. I'm sure it's of great
20 comfort to people like Mr and Mrs Taylor, and indeed
21 others, to know that you bravely risked your life to go
22 and try and help their daughter and the other
23 desperately injured people. Thank you very much.
24 A. Thank you.
25 MR KEITH: My Lady, Mr Hay will read the next statement and
1 call the next --
2 LADY JUSTICE HALLETT: I am wondering whether --
3 MR KEITH: Yes, my Lady, that may be a convenient point.
4 LADY JUSTICE HALLETT: I am told we have a lot to do and,
5 therefore, I am being asked to shorten the break. Can
6 we survive on five or ten minutes?
7 MR KEITH: We hope to take a slightly more brutal approach
8 to some of the read evidence this afternoon, so there
9 may be a little room for manoeuvre.
10 LADY JUSTICE HALLETT: All right, I think that, given that
11 we had a long judgment to start with, we'll take
12 a ten-minute break.
13 (11.38 am)
14 (A short break)
15 (11.48 am)
16 LADY JUSTICE HALLETT: Mr Hay?
17 MR HAY: My Lady, may I read the statement of Kenneth Murphy
18 dated 3 December 2005, which has the usual declaration
19 of truth?
20 Statement of MR KENNETH MURPHY
21 "I am employed by the London Ambulance Service
22 NHS Trust as a team leader. I am stationed at Waterloo
23 ambulance station. I have worked for the London
24 Ambulance Service for 20 years and I have been a team
25 leader for three years, I am a fully qualified
2 "As a team leader, I am responsible for supervising
3 between 16 and 20 staff. On Thursday, 7 July 2005,
4 I was working a 6.30 am to a 3 pm shift. I was crewed
5 up with Eoin Walker on an ambulance, our call sign was
6 Echo 104 (E104). Eoin was driving the ambulance that
7 shift and I was attending. We were actually working out
8 of Bloomsbury ambulance station, which is a satellite
9 station of Waterloo.
10 "At around 9.10 that morning we were at
11 University College Hospital, Euston Road, when one of
12 the receptionists told me there had been a doctor
13 en route to work and he had been evacuated from a Tube
14 train because of a power surge. As a result of being
15 told this, I called our control room at the LAS
16 headquarters to see whether any incidents had been
17 reported. A member of control room staff told me they
18 were receiving multiple calls to incidents at Aldgate
19 and King's Cross Underground stations and I was to make
20 my way to King's Cross.[But he went to Aldgate instead! KX or Russell Square were much closer]
21 "Whilst en route we were listening to radio messages
22 being passed between other LAS staff attending the
23 incidents and Control. One message came over from
24 a unit at Aldgate requesting that 30 ambulances attend
25 that location, that it was a major incident with
1 multiple casualties and fatalities. I do not know who
2 passed that radio message, other than to say it was
3 a male and obviously one of the first crews to arrive at
5 "Upon hearing the message, I told Eoin, who was
6 driving, to head for Aldgate station. We arrived at
7 Aldgate at approximately 9.20. On arrival, I recall
8 seeing Andrea Ray and Tony Cumner, colleagues from
9 Waterloo ambulance station. Andrea had been given the
10 role of Bronze parking, and I believe Tony was busy
11 triaging casualties who were emerging from the
12 Underground platforms. Within five minutes of me
13 getting to the scene, I was given a handheld radio and
14 told by Tony Parnell, who is a duty station officer with
15 the LAS, to go to the train and assess what was
17 "I recall asking a number of firemen to accompany me
18 underground. We took with us a number of stretchers
19 from one of the LAS vehicles on the scene.
20 "We made our way to the platform. I did not see
21 many people. I believe the majority of the casualties
22 and passengers who were able to walk had by this time
23 been brought to the surface. Once I got to the
24 platform, I could not really see the train, so
25 I descended some steps onto the lines and saw the train
1 about 100 metres into a tunnel. Together with the
2 firemen I made my way towards the train. I was at this
3 stage aware that there had been an explosion on one of
4 the train carriages.
5 "I can recall that, as we made our way towards the
6 train, I was seeing human body parts along the tracks.
7 I saw part of someone's head. The hair was singed.
8 I concentrated on getting to the train to try to help
9 any casualties who were still alive.
10 "On reaching the train, I saw there were some lights
11 on in the train, but they were very dim and everything
12 seemed to be covered in soot. When we reached the
13 carriage that had been the seat of the explosion, I saw
14 that the roof had been folded back, the sides had been
15 blown out, and there was a large hole in the floor.
16 I saw one of my LAS colleagues, Steve Jones, at the
17 carriage. He told me he thought there were four live
18 casualties on the carriage. I was still on the train
19 lines when I saw Steve. He told me it was difficult to
20 assess the scene inside the carriage due to the
21 positions of the casualties and the body parts in there.
22 "I climbed on to the carriage into the area where
23 the doors had been blasted off and I saw Dave Lockey.
24 I know Dave quite well. He is a consultant at the
25 Royal London Hospital and worked on the Helicopter
1 Emergency Medical Services. Dave was wearing a red HEMS
2 flying suit. He said that I would be better positioned
3 on the tracks outside the carriage so that he could pass
4 the casualties out to me and I could organise their
5 evacuation up to the surface. I asked one of the
6 firemen to return to the main station above ground and
7 tell the senior ambulance officer that we required five
8 more medical staff at the carriage and enough firemen to
9 carry at least five stretchers.
10 "The intention was to have a paramedic or emergency
11 medical technician accompanying each casualty from the
12 train to the surface, the stretchers being carried by
13 the firemen. When I was actually standing in the
14 carriage, I can recall seeing some severely injured and
15 traumatised people, but I cannot say which casualties
16 were alive or dead and I could not say now where within
17 the carriage they were. I was concentrating totally on
18 what Dave was instructing me to do.
19 "I think there was another doctor in the carriage
20 and possibly a police officer or a fireman, but I cannot
21 be sure. I got back down onto the tracks and Dave
22 passed the first casualty out to us. The casualty was
23 male. He was not really conscious, but he was moaning.
24 This man had sustained significant lower limb injuries.
25 One of his legs, I think the right leg, had completely
1 gone below the knee. The only description I can give of
2 this man is that he looked to be in his 40s and was
3 smartly dressed in a suit, shirt and tie.[Andy Brown?]
4 "He was lifted from the carriage and placed on to
5 a stretcher. I think he had already been placed on an
6 intravenous drip whilst still in the carriage. With the
7 help of firemen, this casualty was carried on
8 a stretcher along the lines and up to ground level.
9 I accompanied him.
10 "When we got into the station foyer, a female HEMS
11 doctor asked me about the casualty and I quickly briefed
12 her. She administered Ketamine[see amtte's post about memory loss] to him for pain relief
13 and told us to get him to hospital. The man was put
14 into the rear of an ambulance and we took him to the
15 Royal London Hospital. I remained with the man in the
16 back of the ambulance, which was driven by a City of
17 London Police officer."
18 My Lady, Mr Murphy then goes on to explain how, once
19 he had done that, he returned to Aldgate but was then
20 sent to King's Cross where he, too, assisted with
21 a significantly injured casualty, taking that casualty
22 to hospital.
23 My Lady, the next statement which is listed to be
24 read is that of Mr Eoin Walker, Mr Murphy's crew mate
25 that day.
1 My Lady, in truth, his statement does not add very
2 much to that of Mr Murphy's. Unless there is any
3 objection, I was intending dispensing with reading that
5 LADY JUSTICE HALLETT: Very well. Thank you.
6 MR HAY: My Lady, may you invite to you call Tony Biles?
7 MR TONY ALEXANDER BILES (sworn)
8 Questions by MR HAY
9 MR HAY: Mr Biles, can you give your full name to the court,
11 A. It's Tony Alexander Biles.
12 Q. Mr Biles, in 2005, you were a London Fire Brigade
13 station officer and you were attached to the
14 Multi-agency Initial Assessment Team?
15 A. That's correct.
16 Q. Can you just explain to us what that team was?
17 A. MAIAT was a government pilot being run. It was for
18 a dedicated CBRN response to the capital. It was
19 consisting of specialist officers from the three
20 emergency services.
21 Q. How many MAIAT teams were there in London in 2005?
22 A. There was one team.
23 Q. How many officers did that comprise of?
24 A. It was consisting of 48 personnel divided into four
25 teams covering one shift for a 24-hour period.
1 Q. Can you just explain to us how that differs from the
2 Metropolitan Police EXPO officers, or explosives
4 A. MAIAT was an initial assessment team for CBRN, it wasn't
5 involved in explosives.
6 Q. On 7 July 2005, I think you became aware around about
7 8.50 in the morning that there had been an explosion at
8 Liverpool Street Underground station?
9 A. That's correct.
10 Q. I think, although you tried to gather further
11 information at that point, it was decided that you
12 should be deployed to the scene and try to gather
13 information en route?
14 A. That's correct, I took the decision to deploy the team
15 straightaway and gather further information whilst
16 en route.
17 Q. How successful were you at gathering that information
18 en route?
19 A. The initial attendance was going to be Liverpool Street.
20 Whilst en route, my deputy actually contacted the City
21 of London Police control room, confirmed that there had
22 been an explosion, which then changed to a power surge,
23 which then changed back to an explosion on a train, and
24 that was received from the City of London Police control
25 room, and we requested an RVP, which was given as
1 Liverpool Street junction at Bishopsgate.
2 Q. At any point, were you informed that there had actually
3 been a train crash rather than an explosion or a power
5 A. Yes, there was also information received back that there
6 was a train crash as well.
7 LADY JUSTICE HALLETT: A question, an "RVP"?
8 A. Rendezvous point, sorry, my Lady.
9 MR HAY: One to add to the list of acronyms, my Lady.
10 LADY JUSTICE HALLETT: Not all the acronyms are as obvious
11 as that one, I'm afraid.
12 MR HAY: Did you actually arrive at Liverpool Street RVP?
13 A. Yes, we did, yes.
14 Q. Was it there that you were told to go to Aldgate?
15 A. Yes, liaised with a City of London Police sergeant who
16 instructed us that the actual incident was taking place
17 at Aldgate. Although there was persons decanting from
18 trains at Liverpool Street, they redirected us to
19 Aldgate.[Including 204?]
20 Q. Do you recall approximately at what time you arrived at
22 A. I suggest it was approximately 09.20 to 09.25. We did
23 start a log but, during the course of the operations, it
24 became untenable to maintain that log due to the number
25 of resources of personnel that I had available to me.
1 Q. Perhaps if we could have up on the screen [COLP18-6], and
2 I think we can see at 09.27.25, CPC3, who I believe is
3 Chief Inspector Fallows, has radioed to the control room
5 "MIAT coordinator with me to go to the scene."
6 Would that be referring to you?
7 A. It could possibly be.
8 Q. That seems to fit with your recollection of the time you
9 arrived at Aldgate?
10 A. Yes.
11 Q. On arrival at Aldgate, what were you told had happened?
12 A. I liaised with a chief inspector from City of London
13 Police who had informed me there had been an explosion
14 on the train.
15 Q. Were you provided any further detail other than that?
16 A. Not at that time, no.
17 Q. In your role as part of the MAIAT team, presumably you
18 were concerned about both secondary devices but also the
19 prospect that the explosion or any secondary devices
20 could be CBRN?
21 A. That's correct, yes.
22 Q. Because of that, what did you do?
23 A. I instructed my team to don the appropriate personal
24 protective equipment, PPE, and make ready our detection,
25 identification and monitoring equipment that we had
2 Q. Did you also take steps to sweep the outside of the
3 station for secondary devices?
4 A. Yes, whilst I was liaising with the inspector from the
5 City of London Police, I requested whether the front of
6 the station had been swept for secondary devices,
7 whether the area of the explosion had been swept to
8 declare it explosively safe, and secondary devices.
9 Q. Given the difference between your role and that of the
10 Metropolitan Police Service explosives officers, you
11 waited for the explosive officers to confirm there were
12 no secondary devices --
13 A. That's correct.
14 Q. -- on the train, or in the tunnel?
15 A. I had to wait before that was confirmed before
16 potentially deploying my resources.
17 Q. Now, we've heard from many members of the emergency
18 services in London Underground that, although they were
19 aware of the risk of secondary devices, the majority --
20 I think all of whom we have heard from -- opted to stay
21 in the tunnel and on the train.
22 Is it right that any concerns that there may have
23 been about secondary devices or CBRN didn't prevent
24 anyone from going down to the tunnel or train?
25 A. It did not prevent anyone going down.