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Yes, because all Jaime is good for is killing Cersei and he won't even be able to do that next season *rollseyes*Yes, I think he is important, or I believe he is. It just his arc the last few seasons that is unexisted. What's he going to do next season?have sex with Brienne, die?He probably doesn't even get to kill Cersei
Brienne is a POV character - Stannis and Fan favorites Robb and Sandor are not - so if Brienne has no arc, then Stannis and Robb and Sandor are definitely even more McGuffins! Also, if these are GINGERPEST fans then they really need to sit the fuck down because that old man is a fifth tier character in the book! Ugh!Erin wrote:Well because I see brienne's arc as some kind of sideshow event rather than being a main player. People can claim jaime and Brienne are of equal importance but that simply is not the case. If you can remove a character and it changes nothing to the story, that character is nothing more than a MacGuffin. Brienne can be replaced with another object, jaime cannot.
So given I see beienne as a MacGuffin, I don't think jaime's influence on her is relevant.
Now you saying he is moved by love demonstrates my point that his character is reduced to who he has feelings towards and he is simply a better person because of his feelings towards Brienne. It devalues his character to be motivated by only romantic love. It becomes it is all cocks in the end.Brienne is a MacGuffin and has no arc.She really doesn't have an arc, she is a plot device.
Preach. Also, by that same logic, people should be much more inclined to lose their shit over the Starks re-establishing their authoritaaaaahhhh in the North and assume leadership over those who have previously gotten pretty harmed under their previous Kingindanorf. I am not saying that Robb led a regime, but I will say that no matter the fanboy's lament, the Northern lords had any reason not to want to follow Jo.nny Boi and Salsa as representatives of the family who kind of left them when they were in need. They got harmed thanks to their feudal lords following through with their own endeavors (and funking up alliances because of true wuv).TeamGwenee wrote: Random thought regarding Jaime criticsism. Some fans have argued that Jaime restoring peace to the Riverlands means nothing because he is doing so under Lannister authority and is therefore part of and upholding and immoral regime.
What they forget is that Westeros is a feudal society and even the Starks and Tullies are feudal lords, and feudalism is an inherently immoral regime.
So much double standards in the GOT/ASOIAF fandom, istg. I wonder if they ever thought to look at their favourites in the same way that they judge Jaime? I suspect they wouldn't like the results and I think they know that deep down so they vehemently refuse to admit to that.ballade wrote: So if Jaime is not really honorable because he’s still preserving the rule of his family when he negotiates the end of the siege of Riverrun ... why are Barristan Selmy and Arthur Dayne regarded as paragons of honor and righteousness for upholding the rule of a sadistic madman (and rapist) in the person of Aerys Targaryen? And if the argument is that Cersei is an illegitimate ruler, then why is it ok for PA INGALLS Stark, epitome of all things virtuous and righteous, to support the usurper Robert Baratheon? When you think about it ... it kind of seems like the argument is that Jaime is wrong (always) because he’s Jaime Lannister.