Interesting Article About "I SPY" After Cosby's Recent Verdict

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May 26th, 2018, 3:40 am #1

An interesting read that I stumbled across and thought I'd pass along:

http://www.tvworthwatching.com/post/Whe ... Cosby.aspx
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May 26th, 2018, 4:55 am #2

Excellent article ... he captured perfectly how so many of us are feeling at the moment.

Thanks for sharing it with us! So glad you found your way home to the FORUM.

All my best,
Tatia :-)
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June 17th, 2018, 7:19 pm #3

This article makes some really good points about how Cosby ruined his legacy, not only of his brilliance, but also of the hard work of Robert Culp, Sheldon Leonard and others, and how much the show impacted society at such a crucial time. I’ve been sickened for a long time, now I’m infuriated.

I’ve finally rediscovered our show and love it and watch it with such happiness. There are some cringe-worthy moments that didn’t have significance before: such as joking about drugging tea in “Get Thee to a Nunnery.” I haven’t figured out what to do with those yet.

I don’t know if I can explain this other idea clearly. I’ve been wondering if Cosby, with all horrible actions, has somehow indirectly set a new positive legacy: of women being heard and believed, and of perpetrators being prosecuted and found guilty when they are, even when they’re rich, powerful, and previously beloved. Just an idea.

Love,
Maya
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June 17th, 2018, 8:24 pm #4

Ahhh ... Maya! I so agree with your other idea. In the “How far down are we - the only place left to go is up” scenario - with Cosby and Weinstein and all those others, maybe we hopefully have entered a new era where women and victims are finally heard and believed!!

All my best,
Tatia
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June 18th, 2018, 8:28 pm #5

In the last month or so I've started re-watching "I Spy" from the beginning. It is not easy. After seeing Cosby on Jack Paar one Friday night in 1963 doing his "Noah" routine, I became a devoted fan. Memorized his albums. Loved "I Spy" for his role and for the smart writing and my new hero, Robert Culp.

Watching now, that 15-year-old's joy at being able to live in those episodes with his heroes is not just tempered, but nearly extinguished. But I do not want to give up that show, those memories. It is one of my top three TV shows.

However, I do not want to insult or dishonor all of his victims. A conundrum. Except...the victims are much, much more important than my nostalgia.
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June 18th, 2018, 9:49 pm #6

Well said. That is the conundrum for fans like us.
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June 19th, 2018, 12:17 am #7

Welcome timk. :-) So nice to have you join us. Yes, as Maya just said, it is a conundrum that we all share.
 
As the article that lead off this topic discusses, and in so many of our postings also, we share your thoughts exactly.
 
It is difficult to separate the actor from his role, especially with what the character Alexander Scott exemplified. And we can not dismiss all that I SPY stood for as a beacon in the civil rights era. Plus, as our group can attest, we loved the show for what it was and what it embodied - the travel to exotic locales; Earle Hagen's wonderful music; the camaraderie and brotherhood and trust between Kelly & Scotty; the writers, directors, guest stars and the behind-the-scenes production people - ALL of them were I SPY. And that is something we will continue to celebrate here.
 
Yet, we all feel betrayed - and - we are all looking how to balance this all - yes, as you stated - a conundrum.
 
All my best,
Tatia
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June 20th, 2018, 2:02 am #8

Minor digression: Timk, what are your other two favorite TV shows?
And welcome to the Forum!
Regards—
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June 20th, 2018, 6:12 am #9

I have no idea if this will help, but perhaps we need to think about I SPY as we think of poetry and fiction, and Bill Cosby as its author, or at least one of them.  There are PLENTY of poets and fiction writers who were absolutely horrific human beings, but we never stop reading their work.  We separate the artist from the art.  We acknowledge the problems, we debate whether the works should stay in the canon, and we come to a new understanding.

True, Alexander Scott's biography is far closer to Cosby's than Kelly Robinson's is to Culp's and that makes it harder still to draw the line between them.   And then if you think about all the men and women who are doing great works of social and cultural reform thanks to the education Cosby paid for, it gets harder still.  Cosby made many great things possible.  He enhanced countless lives; he destroyed countless lives.  

Where is the reconcilation?  Or do we finally admit there is no reconcilation.  It is a massive, muddy, mess, it is something to learn from, it is something that promotes change.  The latter two points bring us back to I Spy.  We can learn from the evil in the world to never repeat it.

The problem is, we refuse to learn.

-- Xen
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June 20th, 2018, 8:12 am #10

Wouldn’t it be easier if I Spy had been some nondescript show that had faded into history. Perhaps then we wouldn’t be twisting ourselves into pretzels trying to figure out how goodnessbrilliance/positivity and evil/depravity/cruelty can coexist within a person to such a degree. It doesn’t make sense that someone can be all those things at once. It just doesn’t.

To add to the confusion, this monster (and he is nothing less) is part of something we all love, and somehow I Spy still carries with it all the positive things it always has: it’s just as fun, smart, relevant, and ground-breaking.

I guess that brings us back to “[knowing] the dancer from the dance.” I think the when, how, and if we separate the person from his or her body of work will be a line all of us will have to draw on our terms and probably for completely different reasons that might not make sense to anyone else. And that’s okay. Somehow (probably wouldn’t make sense to you) I made my peace with it and didn’t lose my show. I wish that for everyone.

Love,
Maya
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