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March 10th, 2018, 10:15 pm #1741

I see they're busy knocking down a wall on Skehard Road to build the bus lane, I wonder when this will be completed?
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Joined: February 10th, 2010, 8:00 pm

April 1st, 2018, 11:41 pm #1742

In Cork yesterday I noticed that there is now a car ban in Pana between 1530 and 1830.

How is this impacting on bus services? One potential upside if this was to be a success is that they might consider re-routing some services - I am old enough to remember when the 202 operated via Pana in the evenings and I believe there was a time when the 203 operated via Pana in both directions as well. I think the 214 might also have operated via Pana in both directions, although I don't remember that.

On a related topic, when can we expect to see the improvements to the 220 go ahead?

Are there any new buses or transferred buses for Cork this year?
Last edited by VWL119 on April 2nd, 2018, 12:06 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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April 2nd, 2018, 12:28 am #1743

The Pana change is a complete waste of time. Yes buses move quickly along it but it just takes longer to get there so it is the same thing. It’s going to get interesting next week when the schools are back!

I agree more of the services could operate via Pana. In particular all the Merchants Quay services should move over so the bus lane on Meechants Quay could be used unimpeded by the 205, 208, West Cork & Tralee services without buses laying over there.

The 220 along with a host of other changes are not expected until later in the year. This will be facilitated by a delivery of new buses also expected later in the year.

No further details on them except talk of them being NTA style which I hope is not true as they would be smaller in size, have inferior seats, look inferior and overall would represent a retrograde step for buses in Cork.
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April 2nd, 2018, 10:21 am #1744

Thanks SL. For the car ban to work, you would need bus lanes in both directions on Washington Street (which we currently don't have and there isn't the space to do so).

As for new buses, I agree with you, if they're just the same as the SGs in Dublin then that's going to be quite a step backwards for sure. The new buses will surely have to be in Bus Éireann livery given that Dublin Bus is still getting buses in its livery rather than the TFI one (but how long that will last is another question). If the StreetLites for Waterford are the same spec as the Dublin Bus ones then they too will be a step backwards compared to the VWLs they are replacing, as the VWLs use superior seats (the best of any city bus, in my opinion). Well the StreetLites will be a step backwards regardless, they are nowhere near as good as a VWL, but they are a lot more fuel efficient and in fairness Waterford's passenger numbers hardly justify the much higher running costs of a VWL.

Is there any sign of the StreetLites showing up in Waterford?
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April 2nd, 2018, 6:00 pm #1745

Why would NTA style buses be smaller when they funded the latest batch of VWDs for Cork?
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April 2nd, 2018, 7:36 pm #1746

I thought Waterford were getting Streetlite deckers.
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April 2nd, 2018, 8:43 pm #1747

BE has specified the long wheelbase Gemini in recent years whereas the NTA to date has not.

Wright’s seem to be running two separate production lines at the moment for Dublin Bus and Go-Ahead with slight differences between the buses and whether this continues remains to be seen but would seem unlikely.

My understanding is that Waterford are getting a mixture of short Streetlites, Longer Streetlites (there is a name on this - Max?) and new double decks later in the year. VWD21 & 22 are on loan until then.
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April 2nd, 2018, 10:26 pm #1748

I think the only difference between the GoAhead and Dublin Bus SGs is the livery and interior colour scheme.

The StreetLites do indeed come in a variety of different lengths; everything from the Wheel Forward ones starting at 8.8 m in length (the same more or less as a short AM - there is also a 9.5 m version as well) to the door forward ones, which are in 10.2 and 10.8 m. Finally there is the StreetLite Max, which is meant to be an alternative to the likes of the VWL and MC, this is 11.5 m but is on a light weight chassis, so it's nowhere near as nice to travel on as a VWL or MC, but it is still a lot more fuel efficient than a VWL or MC, especially as they come with the Micro Hybrid technology and there seems to be some sort of mild hybrid variant as well - Stagecoach and First are getting some brand new ones with a grille at the front (the GoAhead ones don't have this) as part of the Sheffield bus partnership, which has a different driveline to a standard StreetLite.

The StreetLite Max is the one Bus Éireann had as a demo bus a few years ago.
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April 5th, 2018, 10:33 pm #1749

SL10 wrote: BE has specified the long wheelbase Gemini in recent years whereas the NTA to date has not.

Wright’s seem to be running two separate production lines at the moment for Dublin Bus and Go-Ahead with slight differences between the buses and whether this continues remains to be seen but would seem unlikely.

My understanding is that Waterford are getting a mixture of short Streetlites, Longer Streetlites (there is a name on this - Max?) and new double decks later in the year. VWD21 & 22 are on loan until then.
Just to follow up on this, short StreetLites makes sense, the NTA has given the award for the supply of midi buses to Wrights.
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April 25th, 2018, 3:47 pm #1750

I'm told that August is the date for the increase to 15 minute frequency on the 220. The same source said that the 221 will also be going to 15 minutes in the future (I guess this would tie in with linking it to the 206).

Has anyone heard similar?
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