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Go-Ahead New Timetables for 45A, 59, 63, 75

Joined: 1:17 AM - Apr 22, 2012

3:01 PM - Sep 30, 2018 #1

Go-Ahead have released their new timetables for when they take over the 45A, 59, 63. 75 - all available here: https://www.go-aheaddublin.ie/timetables/

Some brief observations:

45A
New service 45B introduced - for services via Shanganagh Park which with DB just had a mark on the timetable to indicate the different routing.

15 additional departures M-F each way. Regular 20 min frequency throughout the day.

Last bus exDL M-F is 2340, timed to meet the Dart in Bray. This bus is marked to wait up to 15 minutes for the arrival of the Dart train from Dublin, providing a useful rail/bus connection. Nice to see some joined up thinking for once! Last bus exDL on a Saturday is 2345, was 2330 with DB.

59
M-S Frequency & number of departues unchanged. Last bus exDL now 2335 now 2320. Three extra services on a Sunday- starting an hour earlier.

63
New service 63A introduced - for services via Foxrock Village which with DB just had a mark on the timetable to indicate the different routing.

M-F Two extra services exKilternan, one extra exDL. Frequency improved on Saturdays and Sundays.

75
New variation '75A' introduced - for services via Sandyford Business District which with DB just had a mark on the timetable to indicate the different routing.

M-F there are two extra departures each way. First buses now at 0544 (Tallaght) and 0546 (Dún Laoghaire) opposed to 6am with DB.  The off-peak frequency remains at 30 mins but the peak-time frequency is a little more sporadic, particularly exDún Laoghaire with services at 0625, 0650 & 0700 with next services at 0745, 0825 and 0905. Additional Sunday services too.
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Joined: 4:34 PM - Oct 12, 2016

3:27 PM - Sep 30, 2018 #2

The 75 MF frequency is effectively destroyed by Sandyford Business Park. Note how the 7.45 is given 13 minutes to get from Sandyford SC across to Dundrum, yet the 7.00 is given 28 - an extra 15 mins for the loop around Sandyford. This is especially notable on the 15.59/16.29/16.59 eastbound buses, which despite departing 30 mins apart from each other, are set to arrive in D/L at 17.42/18.32/18.42 respectively - i.e. the 75a is given 20 extra minutes just for the Sandyford loop.
Also the 75 timetable seems to have been changed a little from the very first upload earlier this week - before there were meant to be two 16.20 westbound MF buses, one via the standard route and the other as a 75a, but the 75a has been changed to operate from Stillorgan S.C. instead. The 17.20 75 was supposed to be a 75a, but a second departure has been added from Stillorgan S.C. at 17.52 that covers Sandyford instead.
From what I see, the 75 running times are pretty good, although I doubt the 1h10 trips during the late morning will manage that.

With the last 45a in the garage around 0x50-0x55 in the current bills, I can't help but think we're looking at approx. 1x00-1x10 arrivals with Go-Ahead. Can't help but note that the 184 will have it even worse...
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Joined: 12:01 AM - Nov 24, 2017

8:01 AM - Oct 01, 2018 #3

mark wrote:Go-Ahead have released their new timetables for when they take over the 45A, 59, 63. 75 - all available here: https://www.go-aheaddublin.ie/timetables/

Some brief observations:

45A
New service 45B introduced - for services via Shanganagh Park which with DB just had a mark on the timetable to indicate the different routing.

15 additional departures M-F each way. Regular 20 min frequency throughout the day.

Last bus exDL M-F is 2340, timed to meet the Dart in Bray. This bus is marked to wait up to 15 minutes for the arrival of the Dart train from Dublin, providing a useful rail/bus connection. Nice to see some joined up thinking for once! Last bus exDL on a Saturday is 2345, was 2330 with DB.

59
M-S Frequency & number of departues unchanged. Last bus exDL now 2335 now 2320. Three extra services on a Sunday- starting an hour earlier.

63
New service 63A introduced - for services via Foxrock Village which with DB just had a mark on the timetable to indicate the different routing.

M-F Two extra services exKilternan, one extra exDL. Frequency improved on Saturdays and Sundays.

75
New variation '75A' introduced - for services via Sandyford Business District which with DB just had a mark on the timetable to indicate the different routing.

M-F there are two extra departures each way. First buses now at 0544 (Tallaght) and 0546 (Dún Laoghaire) opposed to 6am with DB.  The off-peak frequency remains at 30 mins but the peak-time frequency is a little more sporadic, particularly exDún Laoghaire with services at 0625, 0650 & 0700 with next services at 0745, 0825 and 0905. Additional Sunday services too.
Thanks Mark, really helpful!


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Joined: 8:30 PM - Oct 10, 2018

8:42 PM - Oct 10, 2018 #4

The drivers are covering different routes on one duty ...ie..75 d.l to tallaght. 75A tallaght to D.l...break late.. late change over 63x2 and 75..possible late finish ...routes arnt separate
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Joined: 4:34 PM - Oct 12, 2016

9:06 AM - Oct 11, 2018 #5

A few duties that have since reached me involve three different DL routes - for example, one would work a 75 into DL, a few 59s, break, a bit of 45A and finish. Another one involves a 45A lap, break, 45A lap, 63 lap, 75 across to Tallaght and finish. Delayed buses would be impacting on other departures regardless of them being separate or not. If it means that they can keep the number of buses or drivers around low enough, then I don't see why this shouldn't be happening.
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Joined: 4:36 PM - Sep 19, 2011

11:38 PM - Oct 11, 2018 #6

That practice of a board covering multiple routes is perfectly normal. I would be certain GAI have their duties designed in an optimum manner.
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5:32 AM - Oct 12, 2018 #7

In fact, Bus Éireann are far more flexible in planning than Dublin Bus are. Using Galway as an example, while buses stay on the same route throughout the day simply because of the network structure, duties are quite mixed across the entire network - some may stay on the same road for all spells, some may work different routes. I'm made believe that this at least used to be the case in Cork, perhaps still is.
The only duties that don't mix these days seem to be 175 duties, but first that's unconfirmed, second that's because there is very little scope for mixing. It would have to involve both spells going back to the garage, which is mildly ineffective unless it's the 75.
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