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December 21 2003 at 7:50 PM

In the same basic format as the adult "Worship Service" ie same themes and almost as long (many young kids have to endure a double dose of the INC propaganda) and there is a twist as follows

When its time for any of the several prayers during this so called "Worship Service" there will be a collection of much larger and older children who as the prayer is underway will fiercely descend on the ranks of these very young children (2 yrs old plus) and any daring to fidget or not close eyes or any other minor infraction is quickly disciplined and brought to heel.

It reminded me of vision I have seen of a Nazi concentration camp where the Nazi's employed thugs to do there dirty work among their hapless prisoners.

I did feel physically ill after viewing this and was another confirmation that this INC is a truly sick organisation.

Little children, you are of God, and have overcome them; for he who is in you is greater than he who is in the world

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June 29th, 2006, 9:11 pm #3

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November 11 2002 at 2:17 PM

The INC claims that all members of the INC will attain salvation. But when it comes to work or hardships, its the deacons and deaconess that bear the brunt of sufferings.

An ordinary member just have to worry attending the twice a week worship and making monetary contributions including thanksgiving or santa cena.

But for the deaconess and the deacons. They have to use their own money to travel to and fro to, in order to "visit" any member that failed to attend the previous worship. They have to be in the chapels long before the ordinary members come to attend the worship.
They spend so much time in "praying" or brainwashing sessions.

And they don't get paid, they use their own money, no allowance either from the INC administration.

And the ministers? They get paid well and the ministers also attain salvation. The point is the deacons and deaconess are the most exploited members of that cult.

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June 29th, 2006, 9:15 pm #4

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January 31 2004 at 4:42 PM

The coming investiture of Eddie Boy or Eduardo to his father's 'throne' upon the retirement of Ka Erdie, the current executive miniter of the INC is more than probable. Fact of the matter is that so many talented, most senior and more qualified ministers were bypassed by Erdie to ensure the continious hold of the Manalo over the INC, by appointing his son as his successor. The loyalty of the INC ministers are non-transferrable however.

I believe that the INC ministers in north america and europe are in a better position to organize themselves - to free themselves from the clutches of the INC's central office. The INC members in america and europe would be better off if their resources are better spend for themselves instead of remitting those dollars or whatever to the INC office in quezon city.

All the majority of the INC ministers in these continents need to do is to declare their independence as soon as Erdie announces his retirement. These ministers must put an end, in a legal way, to change the power structure of the INC. The breakaway of either the INC's north american congregations and that of europe would end the Manalo's hold on the power that is more appropriately fitted to the INC ministers on those two continents.

An independent INC in north america or europe would also give a new image, a fresh start for the INC. Its about time its old-image be shed and start anew.

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June 29th, 2006, 9:26 pm #5

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December 12 2003 at 1:08 PM

The Iglesia ni Cristo has a perverted Christmas celebration that replaces the Christmas celebration. Erano Manalo, the current leader of the Iglesia ni Cristo or Church of Christ of Felix Manalo, forbids members from ever enjoying or celebrating the Christmas season such as singing of Christmas songs, decorating the homes with christmas lights, christmas trees, or exchanging gifts and christmas cards. According to the Iglesia leader, such christmas celebration is of pagan origin and therefore, Iglesia members must not be involve in such pagan doctrine.

Is Erano Manalo a hypocrite? Yes, he is! He celebrates Christmas every December of each year. Only that his Christmas is a perverted Christmas. Instead of celebrating the birth of Jesus on December 25, he celebrates it earlier,which is, on the third Sunday of December. Erano wants to be sure that he reaps his members' monies before the December 25 comes. Instead of reciprocal giving of christmas gifts between members, members must only give gifts to their Manalo leader. Erano can not wait to have his pockets full of money gifts. Instead of singing Christmas songs, they sing thanksgiving hymns in their chapels. Instead of decorating their houses with Christmas lights and Christmas trees, they decorate their houses with dirt and scattered things, thanks to their Iglesia lifestyle where most of their time especially on December is taken by their Manalo leader and they don't have time to clean their houses. The greatest perversion by Manalo of Christmas is the changing of its name from Christmas into Thanksgiving. What a hypocrite cult leader pretending to not celebrate Christmas when he does. Oh yeah, it's pagan alright because Erano Manalo is a pagan enforcer-- their Sunday worship is in accordance with pagan god Sun.

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June 29th, 2006, 9:34 pm #6

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November 26 2003 at 4:43 PM

Most of the world's religions, especially Manalo's have adopted a particularly warped idea of a "chosen people". In the minds of most theologians and thus most religionists the belief became general that God chose certain people to be saved in heaven while the remainder of the human race goes to eternal damnation.

There IS NOT the slightest foundation in the Bible for such a belief. In all the history of humanity there have been people of all faiths who have attained a spiritual expression of God's love, people who teach only love, and people who heal by their beingness, people who spread beauty and compassion where ever they go. They judge not anyone for they see the Christ or Buddha or Krishna within each soul.

These are the chosen people mentioned in the Bilble. They are the class described by Peter in his first letter: Ye are an elect race. Yet this beauty is distorted and perverted by the fallacies that Manalo and others hold about God and life- and thus most religions exhibit behaviors that no God would want.

The same goes for the "true" church of Christ, I use a common noun here in the word church to demonstrate how it is man who twists and turns scripture to suit his own needs. The original Greek translation is of God. Of course Manalo will not tell you this. The real church of God is not an outer sect , or religious denomination. From a spiritual point of view, it is any faith where man understands God as spirit. The true church is not made of creeds and forms, nor is it contained in walls of wood and stone; the heart of man is in his own temple (within) and the SPIRIT of truth is God.

Manalo and others tell you that your soul never dies, but they also tell you that you can spend an eternity in hell. The English word hell is from the Saxon verb helan, 'to cover and conceal', and contains no idea of a place of torment. Hinnon, another Biblical word for hell, in Hebrew means sorrow or groaning, and it also means purifying fires. Read Malachi 3:1-3, Josh. 15:8, 2 Kings 23:10 2 Chronicles 28:3, 33:6. Hinnon and Gehenna were garbage dumps symbolic of purifying bad behavior.

Manalo and other religionists describe incessantly and in great detail what could cause you to wind up there as well as how to get to heaven- has created a hell on earth. For some religions have taught that killing "others" for the "right reasons" will send you straight to heaven, while others have been taught that believing in God, but doing it the "wrong way" (Manalo's Pharisee religion comes to mind here)will send you straight to hell, no matter how exemplary a life one could lead.

These ideas have been brought to our world not by God, but by human beings. Many scriptures have been edited out including a doctrine of reincarnation by the Second Council of Constantinople in 553 A.D. The so called church elders felt reincarnation afforded man too ample a stage to gain restitution. Leaving such a doctrine in would greatly diminish CONTROL over the people. Stories also of Mary Magdelen were nearly edited completely by a male dominated world, for guess what, CONTROL and POWER.

The great Apostasy came about when man instead of looking within decided to make assumptions that God must be angry, vindictive, revengeful,and retributive because MAN is angry, retibutive, revengeful, vindictive and power hungry. People like Manalo, head Pharisee, imagine that God must be petty, nitpicking, particular, and exclusive because most religionists are petty, nitpicking, particular, and exclusive. See Mark 7:1-13 and Luke 14:1-13 and 7:36-39.

Manalo and other religionists teach that God designed eternal life based on a system of reward and punishment because religionists have designed life based on reward and punishment.

Think about it for a moment. Look at what is going on around the world. There are those who think it pleases God to kill as many infidels as possible, there are those who could care less about the environment because they think the end is near and thus they don't need to care. Yet if our ecological system breaks down we can blame it on God and his wrath.

We don't need to pray for heaven on earth because religionists like manalo create divisions rather than heal them thinking they have exclusive rights to heaven. These illusions of superiority have created the state the world is in now, not God but man and his disfunctional beliefs.

It is man who is creating all disharmonies in the world and it is man with God within him who can heal it. If we all would only listen to our own soul rather than some narrow minded religionists-like the Manalos of the world -we could have heaven on earth. Remember the term hell means to hide and conceal, and our religionists are doing just that- creating a hell through hiding and concealing.

You chosen ones who proclaim to love God don't seem to be reading your Bibles very much. I guess it is easier to have it hand fed to you so you don't have to think too much.

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June 29th, 2006, 9:43 pm #7

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November 25 2003 at 3:48 PM

Dean, I know you will find this hard to believe if you've been hearing all this nonesense from Manalo since childhood, but there is no judgement day, no lake of fire, no hell and damnation, there is NOTHING God needs. No path to God is more direct than any other path. No religion is the "one true religion," no people are "the chosen people" and no prophet is the "greatest prophet". Think of it this way, if God is all there is, all there ever was,and all there ever will be, then there is nothing that is not God, and God is therefore wanting and needing nothing at all.

Most organized religions, especially Manalo's neo-Pharisee cult have taught most people all they know about God, and it has come strictly through the five senses.Our five senses pick up about one tenth the phenomena that is around us. Learning about God through one's sixth sense has always been forbidden. EVERY human who awakened their "third eye" (see Dueteronomy 6:6-9)including Jesus have been persecuted for this. They are told it is the work of the devil-another figment of man's imagination- as some unnatural force that man should not use.

And so, you've been taught about a God who lives outside your five senses, by using ONLY your five senses. Organized religion, especially Manalo's cheats you out seeing the world as a unified field where all people, plants, animals,planets, galaxies, etc are interconnected in ways our most powerful computers could not comprehend and so our world is reduced to a competition of who's god is better.

This idea of spiritual superiority is the most seductive idea that ever visited upon the human race, it can turn hearts to stone in an instant. In believing such falsehoods in organized religion, especially Manalo's, destroys the very family that it was supposed to embrace and give love, namely, our FELLOW MAN and the planet he has been entrusted.

We watched in utter disappointment as a minister of manalo's actually poked fun at another Christian group for not doing to a tee one of God's numerous "duties". We thought to ourselves how ignorant this supposed man of God actuallly is. Do you really think God is pleased at such behavior?

To get back to the original point, even Manalo is loved by God because God is love. I know you find this hard to believe, but it is ourselves who judge, it is ourselves who create in our imaginations, such a vindictive God because most people belong to self-righteous superiority based religions that have nothing to do with unconditional love. Still the mind and all judgements and you will hear God and he is talking all the time if we truly listen. Dispite Manalo.

We are enduring until we get the rest of our loved ones out of this Pharisee cult. We are also spreading the word to all who might consider joining Manalo the truth about his lies. If we all work together, people will start to see the damage he does to numerous and wonderful souls who have been mislead by this man.

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June 29th, 2006, 9:47 pm #8

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November 29 2003 at 10:19 AM

Beliefs create behaviors, and from reading some of these posts most of the behaviors I see mirror the type of God most of you believe in; an angry vengeful and jealous god, one who is constantly passing judgement, one who is petty and egomaniacal, one who is intolerant, one who gives free will, but will punish you for using it.And the list goes on. Lets go over the big five:

First, you believe God needs something.

Second, you believe God can FAIL to get what he wants.

Third, you believe in a god that has separated you from him because you have not given him what he needs.

Fourth, you believe that god still needs what he needs so badly, that god now REQUIRES you to, from your separated position, to give it to him.

Fifth, you believe god WILL DESTROY YOU, if you don't meet his requirements.

Everything depends not on whether you believe IN God, but on what you believe ABOUT God. If God is the creator of everything, the All in All, the alpha and the omega, to whom shall God give orders?

These behaviors are historically demanded of their subjects by monarchs- egomaniacal, insecure, tyrannical monarchs at that- even Saddam was'nt this bad. They are not Godly demands in any sense, and it seems incredible that the world has not by now concluded that the demands are counterfeit.

If you believe in a god whose feelings get hurt when he does not get something then you believe in a lesser god than I. Most of you therefore, spend most of your lives searching for the "right way" to serve God. You prop yourselves up as being superior to all others in the hopes God will spare you.

Ther is nothing to be spared from, except your own imaginations! It was not god but human beings who felt they had to give other human beings orders to keep order. And the best way they knew to get people to follow orders was to say they came directly from God.

And as a result of this fear so many organized religions ( Manalos' Pharisees is one of them)have taught you exclusiveness, false superiority, intolerance of other faiths, narrow views of the beauty of God's creation instead of what it was intended to create. Instead of creating unity, they have produced division- because this is what they think God is about.

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June 29th, 2006, 9:50 pm #9

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December 7 2003 at 6:46 PM

God is NOT a singular being Super Being, living in somewhere in the universe or outside of it, having the same emotional needs and subject to the same emotional turmoil as humans. That Which is God cannot be hurt or damaged in any way, and so has no need to seek revenge or impose punishment. We realize this is hard to accept and upsets the very foundation of your belief system.

It would also upset Manalo and many other organized religions as well.They CANNOT teach this because the fear of eternal torment is a powerful tool in which to retain members- and thus, to continue to exist.If Manalo and other organized religions taught this truth they would all be out of business in a hurry.

If Manalo and other organized religions taught this truth, they could never also teach that anyone person is better than another, or that any soul is any more pleasing to God than another, or that any one path is the only path to Divinity. They could never teach that some souls go to "heaven" while others are condemned to "hell". It is this type of teaching of Manalo and others that create "separatist" philosophies and "exclusivist" theologies that are not only innaccurate but dangerous as well. I.E. 9/11/01.

Not only do Manalo and other organized religions TEACH you that you are separate from God, they TEACH you that you are separate from other human beings, they also TEACH you that you are not worthy of God. They TEACH you that you are shameful guilty creatures; that you were born in sin and do not deserve to be the dust under God's feet. They TEACH you are not to go to God smiling at His wonderful creation, but begging for mercy for your countless transgressions.

Through Manalo you are just as dangerous for you march looking for "signs" of destruction thus condemning what you were TAUGHT to call an evil world. "The beast that cometh up out of the abyss, Rev. 11:7, is organized religion working in opposition to a God of unconditional love. While the "wrath of God" is the individuals of these erroneous beliefs working at varying levels of perdition.

It is not God, but what Manalo thinks God wants, and that is the core message of whatmany other narrow minded self- righteous "knowers of truth" TEACH, that is fear, guilt and self denial. Thus people who are robbed of their self-esteem, rob others of theirs. People who do not love themselves cannot love others. People who see themselves as unworthy, see others as unworthy.

Perhaps this is why Manalo and others spend so much time plucking "splinters' out of everyone's eye, but do not see the chunk in their own. As a result you fear rather than love, condemn rather than find inner peace, "gnash teeth" rather than celebrate life with an all loving God.

- P.S. We realize that most of you were brought up with these teachings from birth- so has much of the rest of the world by other religious fundementalists. The problem with fundementalists is that human error is often equated with "offences against God", punishable by severe and disproportionate sanctions or suffering.- And this will be our next topic of discourse.

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June 29th, 2006, 9:53 pm #10

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December 14 2003 at 8:01 PM

First, we are not Philipino, therefore any reply to us that is not in English will not be answered. Second, we ignore comments that are silly or inane. Thus having said that, we will resume our dialogue of what we observe in your church.

Many of you are probably getting ready to give large sums of money to Manalo, little or none of which goes to anything worthwhile save Manalo's own power base. Yet most of you don't care because in your heart of hearts most of you are too lazy to explore God's mysteries on your own, yet you say you love God sooooo much. Since most of you don't read the Bible we will quote for you just like Manalo does.

First, let us quote Lamentations 3:38-40, Out of the Most High evil does not come. Therefore why should a living man question concerning punishment (consequence) for his sins? Let us search and try our ways, and turn again to the Lord. Let us ponder this question and put it in other words; the Lord will do nothing for you that you will not do for yourself.Thus most of you deny yourselves and God because it is easier to let someone do it for you.

The description of the Last Judgement, for example, as given in the Gospels, has been used by Manalo and other organized religions to terrify men and women and thus compel them to unite with their church. It is this fear that sets in motion a host of errors. Let us put it in stark terms so that you may actually think about life and God.

The "last days" of this "evil world" are a creation of man because it is man who is systematically destroying his own envirenment. Nothing is more gentle than nature and nothing has been more cruel to nature than man. Yet you and Manalo and other organized religions step aside from all involvement in this and deny any responsibility(yet most of the cars in the church parking lot are gas guzzling, environmentally unfriendly SUVs). You might say you have no fault in this, and in this you are right, it is not a matter of fault but of choice.

Instead of spending so much time and money in the church, why not get involved in something truly worthwhile. It is hard when you are taught to live in constant fear of God's wrath one cannot uphold "the body of Christ" as Christ meant it. When one chooses unconditional love-

We can CHOOSE to end the destruction of our rain forests tomorrow if you choose to get involved, but with fear you are too busy saving yourself from God's wrath.

We can CHOOSE to stop depleting our ozone layer protecting our planet, but you are too busy in fear giving money to Manalo.

We can CHOOSE to save the 40,000 people who die each day from hunger, but Manalo needs the money to "save" you from God's curses. More fear.

We can CHOOSE to end the destruction of our eco-systems, but why bother it involves only "the people of this world", besides, you spend too much time in the church praying (because of fear)only for yourselves anyway.

We can CHOOSE to end prejudice and division, but you and Manalo are too busy creating it (out of fear)for your own selfish ends i.e. salvation than to end it for world peace.

Yet all of you are convinced it is God's punishment.You NEED these things to get worse otherwise your salvation is in question. This is why we think religion can be dangerous. You actually think you NEED this destruction to save your butts.

The grandest teaching of Christ was not that you shall have everlasting life- but you Do. Not that we shall have brotherhood in God, but we already do-all we have to do is believe it. For we are the creators of our reality and life cannot show up any other way than the way we think it will; did not Christ say if you had the faith of a mustard seed you can move mountains?

It is because of this fear of God's wrath you reduce yourself to a spirituality that teaches fear and dependence and intolerance. Even though your description of God better suits the definition of a devil (if there were one), you have assigned devilish characteristics to God in order to convince yourself that God's unconditional love is too good to be true and that you can't assume God-like qualities-even though Jesus did. Thus you deny yourselves and God to accept a lesser god. Ironically, in the name of God!

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