Rev. 7:2-3 do not refer to FYM, EGM, EVM and INC ministers and workers.

Rev. 7:2-3 do not refer to FYM, EGM, EVM and INC ministers and workers.

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March 16th, 2011, 10:20 am #1

Revelation 7:2-3 read:

Rev. 7:2: "And I saw another angel ascending from the rising of the sun, having the seal of the living God; and he cried out with a loud voice to the four angels to whom it was granted to harm the earth and the sea,

Rev. 7:3: saying, "Do not harm the earth or the sea or the trees until we have sealed the bond-servants of our God on their foreheads."

Recall that there were TWO messengers or "angels" sent by God concerning the SALVATION of man - John the Baptist and Jesus. John the Baptist paved the way for Jesus, and Jesus preached the "light" or word of God necessary for the SALVATION of men.

Those who trusted Christ, heard the word of truth, the gospel of salvation; in whom also having believed, were SEALED with the Holy Spirit of promise" (Eph. 1:13).

Hence, the "another angel" refers to Jesus and "ascending from the rising of the sun" refers to where Jesus came from - God, the source of light. "Rising of sun" refers to where light comes from.

The pronoun "we" refers to Jesus' disciples whom Jesus sent into the world to preach the gospel. These disciples are not limited to the first-century disciples but also future disciples from Jesus' "other sheep."

Revelation 7:4-8 provide proof that the INC's interpretation of Rev. 7:2-3 is TWISTED to support its false doctrine that FYM is a messenger sent by God.

If it were true that FYM is the "ascending angel from the east," how did FYM and his few ministers SEAL the 144,000 that were SEALED of all the tribes of the children of Israel? Were there that many Jews that were converted from the Roman Catholic Church during the time of FYM until the present? Ridiculous, wouldn't you think?

The only way Rev. 7:4-8 can be fulfilled is if it were Jesus and his apostles and disciples who are being prophesied in Rev. 7:2-3.

Recall that the "message of salvation" was first offered to the Jews before it was extended to the Gentiles and to Jesus' "other sheep" in the future. Therefore, the 144,000 must be the result of Jesus' and the apostles' preaching of the gospel to the Jews.

Now, combine this with the other proofs that the church founded by FYM in 1914 is NOT the church that Christ built NOR is it a part of the church that Christ built, and the INC's doctrine that Rev. 7:2-3 refers to FYM, EGM, EVM and all ministers and workers of the INC crumbles like a castle built on sand!


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March 16th, 2011, 1:04 pm #2

In addition I really find it amusing and irritating at the same time that Iglesia Ni Cristo minsitesr esp. Ventalacion in his debate with Keating is so adamant and fervent in asking 'WHERE is the word TRINITY in the bible?" when its a case of the pot calling the kettle black!
No where in the scripture is the phrase LAST MESSNGER except in their "OWN" bible PASUGO!!
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May 10th, 2011, 11:07 am #3

I wonder where the INC defenders have gone! [nt]
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May 11th, 2011, 10:13 pm #4

In addition I really find it amusing and irritating at the same time that Iglesia Ni Cristo minsitesr esp. Ventalacion in his debate with Keating is so adamant and fervent in asking 'WHERE is the word TRINITY in the bible?" when its a case of the pot calling the kettle black!
No where in the scripture is the phrase LAST MESSNGER except in their "OWN" bible PASUGO!!
Keating should pose as INC Bible Student, so that he can ask Ventelacion all the questions.

Ventelacion, in this case, cannot debate Keating because he is a Bible Student.

Ventelacion is responsible to answer all questions but cannot ask Keating any questions.
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February 28th, 2012, 8:29 pm #5

I wonder where the INC defenders have gone! [nt]
serious allegation.

This FALSE doctrine makes Felix Y. Manalo NOTHING more than the Pope of the Catholics, Ellen White of the Seventh Day Adventists, Joseph Smith of the Mormons, the founders of the Jehovah's Witnesses, Eli Soriano of the ADD and Apollo Quiboloy of the Kingdom of Jesus Christ.

BTW all these people have made themselves filthy rich by selling false salvation doctrines.
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March 25th, 2012, 11:54 am #6

Revelation 7:2-3 read:

Rev. 7:2: "And I saw another angel ascending from the rising of the sun, having the seal of the living God; and he cried out with a loud voice to the four angels to whom it was granted to harm the earth and the sea,

Rev. 7:3: saying, "Do not harm the earth or the sea or the trees until we have sealed the bond-servants of our God on their foreheads."

Recall that there were TWO messengers or "angels" sent by God concerning the SALVATION of man - John the Baptist and Jesus. John the Baptist paved the way for Jesus, and Jesus preached the "light" or word of God necessary for the SALVATION of men.

Those who trusted Christ, heard the word of truth, the gospel of salvation; in whom also having believed, were SEALED with the Holy Spirit of promise" (Eph. 1:13).

Hence, the "another angel" refers to Jesus and "ascending from the rising of the sun" refers to where Jesus came from - God, the source of light. "Rising of sun" refers to where light comes from.

The pronoun "we" refers to Jesus' disciples whom Jesus sent into the world to preach the gospel. These disciples are not limited to the first-century disciples but also future disciples from Jesus' "other sheep."

Revelation 7:4-8 provide proof that the INC's interpretation of Rev. 7:2-3 is TWISTED to support its false doctrine that FYM is a messenger sent by God.

If it were true that FYM is the "ascending angel from the east," how did FYM and his few ministers SEAL the 144,000 that were SEALED of all the tribes of the children of Israel? Were there that many Jews that were converted from the Roman Catholic Church during the time of FYM until the present? Ridiculous, wouldn't you think?

The only way Rev. 7:4-8 can be fulfilled is if it were Jesus and his apostles and disciples who are being prophesied in Rev. 7:2-3.

Recall that the "message of salvation" was first offered to the Jews before it was extended to the Gentiles and to Jesus' "other sheep" in the future. Therefore, the 144,000 must be the result of Jesus' and the apostles' preaching of the gospel to the Jews.

Now, combine this with the other proofs that the church founded by FYM in 1914 is NOT the church that Christ built NOR is it a part of the church that Christ built, and the INC's doctrine that Rev. 7:2-3 refers to FYM, EGM, EVM and all ministers and workers of the INC crumbles like a castle built on sand!

FYM started his ministry and registered the FALSE church he founded at the "beginning of sorrows" as foretold by Christ in Matthew 24:5, 6-8.
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March 25th, 2012, 3:39 pm #7

Revelation 7:2-3 read:

Rev. 7:2: "And I saw another angel ascending from the rising of the sun, having the seal of the living God; and he cried out with a loud voice to the four angels to whom it was granted to harm the earth and the sea,

Rev. 7:3: saying, "Do not harm the earth or the sea or the trees until we have sealed the bond-servants of our God on their foreheads."

Recall that there were TWO messengers or "angels" sent by God concerning the SALVATION of man - John the Baptist and Jesus. John the Baptist paved the way for Jesus, and Jesus preached the "light" or word of God necessary for the SALVATION of men.

Those who trusted Christ, heard the word of truth, the gospel of salvation; in whom also having believed, were SEALED with the Holy Spirit of promise" (Eph. 1:13).

Hence, the "another angel" refers to Jesus and "ascending from the rising of the sun" refers to where Jesus came from - God, the source of light. "Rising of sun" refers to where light comes from.

The pronoun "we" refers to Jesus' disciples whom Jesus sent into the world to preach the gospel. These disciples are not limited to the first-century disciples but also future disciples from Jesus' "other sheep."

Revelation 7:4-8 provide proof that the INC's interpretation of Rev. 7:2-3 is TWISTED to support its false doctrine that FYM is a messenger sent by God.

If it were true that FYM is the "ascending angel from the east," how did FYM and his few ministers SEAL the 144,000 that were SEALED of all the tribes of the children of Israel? Were there that many Jews that were converted from the Roman Catholic Church during the time of FYM until the present? Ridiculous, wouldn't you think?

The only way Rev. 7:4-8 can be fulfilled is if it were Jesus and his apostles and disciples who are being prophesied in Rev. 7:2-3.

Recall that the "message of salvation" was first offered to the Jews before it was extended to the Gentiles and to Jesus' "other sheep" in the future. Therefore, the 144,000 must be the result of Jesus' and the apostles' preaching of the gospel to the Jews.

Now, combine this with the other proofs that the church founded by FYM in 1914 is NOT the church that Christ built NOR is it a part of the church that Christ built, and the INC's doctrine that Rev. 7:2-3 refers to FYM, EGM, EVM and all ministers and workers of the INC crumbles like a castle built on sand!

HeyAngryFipino, you got it all right; let me expose criminal activities of INC ministers
March 8 2012 at 4:49 PM lalalalala Login

you past post is accurate. Eduado Villanueva Manalo has little knowledge of some of his America congregations.
i actually can tell you more specifics, Angry, but I am under a gag-order. sorry dude, but I would share, but for the gag-order.
http://www.network54.com/Forum/70213/me ... +ministers

let me give one summary, denoted in sequences as day1, day2, day3, although they are only intended to denote succeeding events.

the FBI can also use this as a reference and public notification.
in any event, Louie bumping up incidents in this forum "probably" helped Central Administration to admonish SCANs so that sexual harassments of women on chapel grounds can be caught.

day1 Head Deacons Juan Castanaga and Manolito Corpuz (first cousin of Rey Membrere) are allowing iglesia ministers and Overseers to perform prohibited activities in their congregation including allowing ministers (e.g., Ferdinand A Febre) and Overseers (Hilario G Salgatar) to solo visit women congregants (e.g., minister, or other male officer, would surprise-visit any female congregant at the doorstep of female congregant. For example, minister (without any escort) would appear without prior notice at doorstep and residence of any given female congregant and so female congregant is Terrified).

day2 female kadiwa congregant (daughter of First Head Deacon Castanaga) dies violently in a Very Odd Manner. additionally, facts given to Cops during news report is not consistent with some actual facts - you do the "math".
http://santamariatimes.com/news/local/a ... c6813.html

day3 Overseers in congregation of First Head Deacon Castanaga continue their on-chapel threats/violence and Harassments of lay congregants and on-chapel sexual harassments of lay congregants.

day4, First Head Deacon Castanaga and his minister Renato D Norona panic badly after written reports of on-chapel threats/violence and sexual harassments are submitted electronically (so reports are trackable by FBI).

First Head Deacon Castanaga is ambushing lay congregants; does it not make logical sense that since Deacon Castanaga's kadiwa daughter died in an odd violent manner, that Deacon Castanaga should not be engaging in a reign of terror on his fellow lay congregants or eyebrows (like mine) would rise if word gets around outside of the area????

day5 Head Deacon Manolito Corpuz and his minister Renato D Norona do engaged in surprise hostile detainments (false imprisonments, if you will) of some sexual harassment congregant victims and threatened congregant victims, where sexual harassments and threats were performed by iglesianicristo ministers and/or Overseers, with hostile detainment performed on chapel premises (actually, in the office of minister). Norona orders the congregant victims to keep the on-chapel violent activities and sexual harassments to be kept silent. Someone inform Rey Membrere quickly about this.

day6, On-chapel violence and ambushes by iglesia officer Hilario G Salgatar continues against lay kadiwa congregants.

day7, Then-chief-iglesia-US-lawyer (and then-minister) Allan Alcon Villanueva is electronically notified of major on-chapel violent incidents (and sexual harassments) in congregation of Renato D Norona, and copies of the notices are eventually provided to various parties who will be able to authentice, and hence I have copies. i was also given copy of documents with signatures of Renato D Norona confirming that Renato D Norona admitted to violent activities and sexual harassments in his iglesia congregation (FBI will be able to authenticate this signatures).

Allan Alcon Villanueva is also electronically alerted that the Overseer-committee-prayer group infrastructure has been used as vehicles for sexual-harassments, including electronic alerts to Villanueva that iglesia overseer Salgatar did engage in threats on lay kadiwas in his assigned Committee Prayer Group, and so then-chief iglesia US Lawyer Villanueva is electronically alerted that an overhaul and/or audit of the iglesi Overseer-Committee Prayer Group infrastructure has reported Vulnerabilities relating to endangerment of lives.

day8, the day after Allan Alcon Villanueva is given electronic alerts of on-chapel violent activities and sexual harassments, Renato D Norona intercepts on-chapel, in hostile manners, lay kadiwa congregants and victims and tries to start fist-fights with the lay parties (activities captured in video). since the former chief iglesia US lawyer Allan Alcon Villanueva is not temporally separated clearly, the days 7 and 8 incidents should be grounds for a Federal Investigation by the US Government.

day9, Bob Pellien eventually ships off Renato D Norona to Salt Lake City.

day10, Dean Arnel Tumanan's daughter is assigned to congregation of First Head Deacon Juan Castanaga

day11, Hilario Salgatar (see above) and spouse start following Dean Tumanan's daughter around the chapel property.

day12, Dean Tumanan shows up in his daughter's America congregation and probably got to "meet" (ehem) the First Head Deacon Juan Castanaga.

day13, more incidents (past and present) involving First Head Deacon Juan Castanaga witholding information of "incidents" from Central Office, are reportedly being disclosed...so...

day14, Bob Pellien re-appoints Sexual-Harassers and physically-dangerous Thug Hilario G Salgatar (see above) as Deacon/Overseer so Salgatar is again an OVerseer of women who are now terrified.
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March 26th, 2012, 7:41 am #8

Revelation 7:2-3 read:

Rev. 7:2: "And I saw another angel ascending from the rising of the sun, having the seal of the living God; and he cried out with a loud voice to the four angels to whom it was granted to harm the earth and the sea,

Rev. 7:3: saying, "Do not harm the earth or the sea or the trees until we have sealed the bond-servants of our God on their foreheads."

Recall that there were TWO messengers or "angels" sent by God concerning the SALVATION of man - John the Baptist and Jesus. John the Baptist paved the way for Jesus, and Jesus preached the "light" or word of God necessary for the SALVATION of men.

Those who trusted Christ, heard the word of truth, the gospel of salvation; in whom also having believed, were SEALED with the Holy Spirit of promise" (Eph. 1:13).

Hence, the "another angel" refers to Jesus and "ascending from the rising of the sun" refers to where Jesus came from - God, the source of light. "Rising of sun" refers to where light comes from.

The pronoun "we" refers to Jesus' disciples whom Jesus sent into the world to preach the gospel. These disciples are not limited to the first-century disciples but also future disciples from Jesus' "other sheep."

Revelation 7:4-8 provide proof that the INC's interpretation of Rev. 7:2-3 is TWISTED to support its false doctrine that FYM is a messenger sent by God.

If it were true that FYM is the "ascending angel from the east," how did FYM and his few ministers SEAL the 144,000 that were SEALED of all the tribes of the children of Israel? Were there that many Jews that were converted from the Roman Catholic Church during the time of FYM until the present? Ridiculous, wouldn't you think?

The only way Rev. 7:4-8 can be fulfilled is if it were Jesus and his apostles and disciples who are being prophesied in Rev. 7:2-3.

Recall that the "message of salvation" was first offered to the Jews before it was extended to the Gentiles and to Jesus' "other sheep" in the future. Therefore, the 144,000 must be the result of Jesus' and the apostles' preaching of the gospel to the Jews.

Now, combine this with the other proofs that the church founded by FYM in 1914 is NOT the church that Christ built NOR is it a part of the church that Christ built, and the INC's doctrine that Rev. 7:2-3 refers to FYM, EGM, EVM and all ministers and workers of the INC crumbles like a castle built on sand!

Kung si Cristo ang ibang anghel, sino yung apat na anghel na binabanggit sa Apoc. 7:1-3?
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March 28th, 2012, 2:19 am #9

Pakisagot ang tanong Mr. Incquisitor
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May 19th, 2012, 11:56 am #10

Basahin ang aking sagot sa mga ibang posts ko.
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