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July 27th, 2005, 10:33 am #1

three main reasons why Iglesia members are unaware of Manalo's deceptions are:

Many were born or were converted into the church at a young innocent age (around 12).

Many older converts were experiencing emotionally exhaustive situations such as being away from family (especially for those US migrants) or family problems that lower one's ability to think clearly.

Iglesia discourages its members from contacting and investigating other faiths. (One method is the use of 'lines' we've enumerated below). This is clearly evident if one is to speak to or hear reactions of Iglesia "lay members" to INC opponents' arguments.

The following are "Iglesia minister's lines" compiled by ex-members and associates who've had considerable experience in associating with the leadership and lay members of this organization. These lines activate "buttons" designed to steer away members or 'prospects' from re-investigating and discovering Manalo's deceitful 'messenger' doctrine. They come in different forms yet the effects are similar.



1. "Our evil enemies are attacking us!"

Closes up member's mind from openly discussing Iglesia doctrines with opponents. Shuts the mind especially when an opposing argument is heard.

2. We must ignore these 'persecutors' and hold steadfast to our faith--this is a test we must endure!"

Same as above.

3. "They're trying to make us look 'stupid', how dare they do such a thing! They are our enemies trying to persecute us! You must hold steadfast to your faith! Ignore those evil men!"

Again, this shifts the member's attention from Manalo's deceptions to 'protecting' themselves from 'persecutions.' Puts member in a defensive position rather than having an investigative mind for an intelligent discussion with people who saw through Manalo's deceptions.

4. "You've been in the church for many years. You've expended a lot of effort, time and money on it. Are you letting these enemies take your name from the 'book of life' and put your efforts to waste????"

Here's a classic application of 'foot-in-the-door'. The more time and money one had spent, the harder it is to accept one had been defrauded all along. One thing to ask is, if you discover you've been following deceptions your entire life, is it right to continue following and serving those deceptions?

5. "The bible prophesied such men who will try to separate the 'chosen ones' from Christ's 'true church.' You must stand firm and steadfast to your membership--do not pay attention to those evil men! They are instruments of satan who are here to snatch away your chance to the 'holy city!'"

We've shown how deceitful Manalo's doctrines are. If you realize the doctrines you've been following are founded on deceit, don't you have every reason to separate from the source of these doctrines which plainly couldn't be God's true church in the first place? This seems to be what Iglesia leadership attempts to avoid by greatly discouraging its members from listening to people like us--those who saw through their deceptions

6. "You can be sure they 'know' they're wrong because they refuse to identify themselves! That's more reason to believe they are afraid to see the truth!"

Who we are is unimportant to achieve our goal. As numerous lawmen apprehended criminals through anonymous 'tips', you'll be warned of Manalo's deceptions through our anonymous 'tips.' We do not wish to follow the footsteps of other cult defectors who've openly come out only to be harassed for exposing their former sect's deceptions. Meanwhile, if Iglesia really has the truth, what reason do they have for not developing a website to refute us in cyberspace? Is Manalo avoiding scrutiny?

7. "To listen to them (Iglesia critics) is akin to playing with fire! Keep away from those followers of satan! If you don't, your name may be removed from the book of everlasting life!"

Who depends on deception to uphold doctrines in the first place? Manalo. Isn't the question now, "would God's true church rely on deception to uphold its doctrines?" If your church relies on deception, you probably never had your name in the 'book' in the first place.

8. "You've already found the 'true church.' If you leave now, the bible says you'll be worse off than one who never found it!"

It's irrefutable the bible says that about the true church, but Manalo's deceitful doctrines couldn't be coming from the true church in the first place! How can anyone be worse off for leaving a deceitful organization?

9. "Our evil enemies will just fall to shame like those in the past! Don't waste your time on them. Here, I'll tell you what they're trying to 'accuse us of' and I'll 'prove' to you why they're wrong!"

Discourages members from contacting critics and getting their side of the matter. Also gives minister a chance to misinform the member about the opponents.

10. "Everything these 'enemies' are saying are part of the persecutions, trials, and tests that we must endure to finish the race to the 'holy city'! You must hold steadfast and resist these evil men!"

Shuts members from communicating with critics and getting their side of the matter. Also discourages from opening up and having an investigative mind to listen to 'opponents'' actual arguments.

11. "You can try to read the bible yourself but you'll go insane if you do--it's full of 'mysteries' that only God's messenger can understand."

A man who bases his 'authority' on a deceitful scheme is hardly 'God's messenger'

12. "Do you really think brothers Felix and Erano Manalo would do such a horrendous thing??? How could anyone cheat so many people??!"

In the past, how many individuals have cheated others through 'religious' undertakings?

13 "They are using 'earthly wisdom'--not divine wisdom which brothers Felix and Erano Manalo had."

Whether it's 'divine' or 'earthly' wisdom we're using, Manalo's doctrines are founded on blatant deceptions. If you're an indoctrinee, examine them carefully and see for yourself.

14. "The bible says those who reject God's messengers will be condemned! Those evil enemies along with any member they manage to convince will suffer come judgement day!"

Iglesia puts the cart before the horse. The big question at hand is whether or not Felix Manalo was really a 'true' messenger of God. His deceitful 'proofs' gives away the plain answer. We're quite sure God would not condemn those who reject false messengers.

15. "If you listen to them and separate from the 'Church of Christ,' you'll be like a dog eating its own vomit!"

This is putting the cart before the horse. If the church you belong to bases its doctrines on deceptions, isn't this sufficient indication that you're not in Christ's true church in the first place? Wouldn't you be a 'dog' who is still to do some 'vomiting'?

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james
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July 27th, 2005, 2:08 pm #2

as usual another big lie.
INC forever.
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Sundot
Sundot

July 27th, 2005, 11:13 pm #3

dont worry.

God can always wait.

(INC FOREVER KA. SAMANTALANG SI LAMSA NINYO NGA NA PINAGMAMALAKI NINYO ... E, KONTRA RIN AT BANGGA SA KATURUAN NI MANALO NINYO!)

paano yan. hindi ka naman biblical.
paano yan. si Lamsa ninyo, bangga naman sa inyo.
paano yan. hilaw na Arianismo ka naman.
paano yan. hindi ka naman kristiyano.
paano yan. hindi ka naman mormon.
paano yan. lalong hindi ka moslem.

MANALISTA KA LANG. HAHAHA!
PERSONALISTIC KA LANG NAMAN PALA. MANALISTA. MANALISTA.
napatunayan dito na miyembro ka ng Iglesia ni Manalo.

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randy
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July 29th, 2005, 9:54 am #4

three main reasons why Iglesia members are unaware of Manalo's deceptions are:

Many were born or were converted into the church at a young innocent age (around 12).

Many older converts were experiencing emotionally exhaustive situations such as being away from family (especially for those US migrants) or family problems that lower one's ability to think clearly.

Iglesia discourages its members from contacting and investigating other faiths. (One method is the use of 'lines' we've enumerated below). This is clearly evident if one is to speak to or hear reactions of Iglesia "lay members" to INC opponents' arguments.

The following are "Iglesia minister's lines" compiled by ex-members and associates who've had considerable experience in associating with the leadership and lay members of this organization. These lines activate "buttons" designed to steer away members or 'prospects' from re-investigating and discovering Manalo's deceitful 'messenger' doctrine. They come in different forms yet the effects are similar.



1. "Our evil enemies are attacking us!"

Closes up member's mind from openly discussing Iglesia doctrines with opponents. Shuts the mind especially when an opposing argument is heard.

2. We must ignore these 'persecutors' and hold steadfast to our faith--this is a test we must endure!"

Same as above.

3. "They're trying to make us look 'stupid', how dare they do such a thing! They are our enemies trying to persecute us! You must hold steadfast to your faith! Ignore those evil men!"

Again, this shifts the member's attention from Manalo's deceptions to 'protecting' themselves from 'persecutions.' Puts member in a defensive position rather than having an investigative mind for an intelligent discussion with people who saw through Manalo's deceptions.

4. "You've been in the church for many years. You've expended a lot of effort, time and money on it. Are you letting these enemies take your name from the 'book of life' and put your efforts to waste????"

Here's a classic application of 'foot-in-the-door'. The more time and money one had spent, the harder it is to accept one had been defrauded all along. One thing to ask is, if you discover you've been following deceptions your entire life, is it right to continue following and serving those deceptions?

5. "The bible prophesied such men who will try to separate the 'chosen ones' from Christ's 'true church.' You must stand firm and steadfast to your membership--do not pay attention to those evil men! They are instruments of satan who are here to snatch away your chance to the 'holy city!'"

We've shown how deceitful Manalo's doctrines are. If you realize the doctrines you've been following are founded on deceit, don't you have every reason to separate from the source of these doctrines which plainly couldn't be God's true church in the first place? This seems to be what Iglesia leadership attempts to avoid by greatly discouraging its members from listening to people like us--those who saw through their deceptions

6. "You can be sure they 'know' they're wrong because they refuse to identify themselves! That's more reason to believe they are afraid to see the truth!"

Who we are is unimportant to achieve our goal. As numerous lawmen apprehended criminals through anonymous 'tips', you'll be warned of Manalo's deceptions through our anonymous 'tips.' We do not wish to follow the footsteps of other cult defectors who've openly come out only to be harassed for exposing their former sect's deceptions. Meanwhile, if Iglesia really has the truth, what reason do they have for not developing a website to refute us in cyberspace? Is Manalo avoiding scrutiny?

7. "To listen to them (Iglesia critics) is akin to playing with fire! Keep away from those followers of satan! If you don't, your name may be removed from the book of everlasting life!"

Who depends on deception to uphold doctrines in the first place? Manalo. Isn't the question now, "would God's true church rely on deception to uphold its doctrines?" If your church relies on deception, you probably never had your name in the 'book' in the first place.

8. "You've already found the 'true church.' If you leave now, the bible says you'll be worse off than one who never found it!"

It's irrefutable the bible says that about the true church, but Manalo's deceitful doctrines couldn't be coming from the true church in the first place! How can anyone be worse off for leaving a deceitful organization?

9. "Our evil enemies will just fall to shame like those in the past! Don't waste your time on them. Here, I'll tell you what they're trying to 'accuse us of' and I'll 'prove' to you why they're wrong!"

Discourages members from contacting critics and getting their side of the matter. Also gives minister a chance to misinform the member about the opponents.

10. "Everything these 'enemies' are saying are part of the persecutions, trials, and tests that we must endure to finish the race to the 'holy city'! You must hold steadfast and resist these evil men!"

Shuts members from communicating with critics and getting their side of the matter. Also discourages from opening up and having an investigative mind to listen to 'opponents'' actual arguments.

11. "You can try to read the bible yourself but you'll go insane if you do--it's full of 'mysteries' that only God's messenger can understand."

A man who bases his 'authority' on a deceitful scheme is hardly 'God's messenger'

12. "Do you really think brothers Felix and Erano Manalo would do such a horrendous thing??? How could anyone cheat so many people??!"

In the past, how many individuals have cheated others through 'religious' undertakings?

13 "They are using 'earthly wisdom'--not divine wisdom which brothers Felix and Erano Manalo had."

Whether it's 'divine' or 'earthly' wisdom we're using, Manalo's doctrines are founded on blatant deceptions. If you're an indoctrinee, examine them carefully and see for yourself.

14. "The bible says those who reject God's messengers will be condemned! Those evil enemies along with any member they manage to convince will suffer come judgement day!"

Iglesia puts the cart before the horse. The big question at hand is whether or not Felix Manalo was really a 'true' messenger of God. His deceitful 'proofs' gives away the plain answer. We're quite sure God would not condemn those who reject false messengers.

15. "If you listen to them and separate from the 'Church of Christ,' you'll be like a dog eating its own vomit!"

This is putting the cart before the horse. If the church you belong to bases its doctrines on deceptions, isn't this sufficient indication that you're not in Christ's true church in the first place? Wouldn't you be a 'dog' who is still to do some 'vomiting'?

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August 7th, 2005, 8:21 am #5

three main reasons why Iglesia members are unaware of Manalo's deceptions are:

Many were born or were converted into the church at a young innocent age (around 12).

Many older converts were experiencing emotionally exhaustive situations such as being away from family (especially for those US migrants) or family problems that lower one's ability to think clearly.

Iglesia discourages its members from contacting and investigating other faiths. (One method is the use of 'lines' we've enumerated below). This is clearly evident if one is to speak to or hear reactions of Iglesia "lay members" to INC opponents' arguments.

The following are "Iglesia minister's lines" compiled by ex-members and associates who've had considerable experience in associating with the leadership and lay members of this organization. These lines activate "buttons" designed to steer away members or 'prospects' from re-investigating and discovering Manalo's deceitful 'messenger' doctrine. They come in different forms yet the effects are similar.



1. "Our evil enemies are attacking us!"

Closes up member's mind from openly discussing Iglesia doctrines with opponents. Shuts the mind especially when an opposing argument is heard.

2. We must ignore these 'persecutors' and hold steadfast to our faith--this is a test we must endure!"

Same as above.

3. "They're trying to make us look 'stupid', how dare they do such a thing! They are our enemies trying to persecute us! You must hold steadfast to your faith! Ignore those evil men!"

Again, this shifts the member's attention from Manalo's deceptions to 'protecting' themselves from 'persecutions.' Puts member in a defensive position rather than having an investigative mind for an intelligent discussion with people who saw through Manalo's deceptions.

4. "You've been in the church for many years. You've expended a lot of effort, time and money on it. Are you letting these enemies take your name from the 'book of life' and put your efforts to waste????"

Here's a classic application of 'foot-in-the-door'. The more time and money one had spent, the harder it is to accept one had been defrauded all along. One thing to ask is, if you discover you've been following deceptions your entire life, is it right to continue following and serving those deceptions?

5. "The bible prophesied such men who will try to separate the 'chosen ones' from Christ's 'true church.' You must stand firm and steadfast to your membership--do not pay attention to those evil men! They are instruments of satan who are here to snatch away your chance to the 'holy city!'"

We've shown how deceitful Manalo's doctrines are. If you realize the doctrines you've been following are founded on deceit, don't you have every reason to separate from the source of these doctrines which plainly couldn't be God's true church in the first place? This seems to be what Iglesia leadership attempts to avoid by greatly discouraging its members from listening to people like us--those who saw through their deceptions

6. "You can be sure they 'know' they're wrong because they refuse to identify themselves! That's more reason to believe they are afraid to see the truth!"

Who we are is unimportant to achieve our goal. As numerous lawmen apprehended criminals through anonymous 'tips', you'll be warned of Manalo's deceptions through our anonymous 'tips.' We do not wish to follow the footsteps of other cult defectors who've openly come out only to be harassed for exposing their former sect's deceptions. Meanwhile, if Iglesia really has the truth, what reason do they have for not developing a website to refute us in cyberspace? Is Manalo avoiding scrutiny?

7. "To listen to them (Iglesia critics) is akin to playing with fire! Keep away from those followers of satan! If you don't, your name may be removed from the book of everlasting life!"

Who depends on deception to uphold doctrines in the first place? Manalo. Isn't the question now, "would God's true church rely on deception to uphold its doctrines?" If your church relies on deception, you probably never had your name in the 'book' in the first place.

8. "You've already found the 'true church.' If you leave now, the bible says you'll be worse off than one who never found it!"

It's irrefutable the bible says that about the true church, but Manalo's deceitful doctrines couldn't be coming from the true church in the first place! How can anyone be worse off for leaving a deceitful organization?

9. "Our evil enemies will just fall to shame like those in the past! Don't waste your time on them. Here, I'll tell you what they're trying to 'accuse us of' and I'll 'prove' to you why they're wrong!"

Discourages members from contacting critics and getting their side of the matter. Also gives minister a chance to misinform the member about the opponents.

10. "Everything these 'enemies' are saying are part of the persecutions, trials, and tests that we must endure to finish the race to the 'holy city'! You must hold steadfast and resist these evil men!"

Shuts members from communicating with critics and getting their side of the matter. Also discourages from opening up and having an investigative mind to listen to 'opponents'' actual arguments.

11. "You can try to read the bible yourself but you'll go insane if you do--it's full of 'mysteries' that only God's messenger can understand."

A man who bases his 'authority' on a deceitful scheme is hardly 'God's messenger'

12. "Do you really think brothers Felix and Erano Manalo would do such a horrendous thing??? How could anyone cheat so many people??!"

In the past, how many individuals have cheated others through 'religious' undertakings?

13 "They are using 'earthly wisdom'--not divine wisdom which brothers Felix and Erano Manalo had."

Whether it's 'divine' or 'earthly' wisdom we're using, Manalo's doctrines are founded on blatant deceptions. If you're an indoctrinee, examine them carefully and see for yourself.

14. "The bible says those who reject God's messengers will be condemned! Those evil enemies along with any member they manage to convince will suffer come judgement day!"

Iglesia puts the cart before the horse. The big question at hand is whether or not Felix Manalo was really a 'true' messenger of God. His deceitful 'proofs' gives away the plain answer. We're quite sure God would not condemn those who reject false messengers.

15. "If you listen to them and separate from the 'Church of Christ,' you'll be like a dog eating its own vomit!"

This is putting the cart before the horse. If the church you belong to bases its doctrines on deceptions, isn't this sufficient indication that you're not in Christ's true church in the first place? Wouldn't you be a 'dog' who is still to do some 'vomiting'?

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August 7th, 2005, 1:44 pm #6

kaya daw umalis..

sus naman!

natiwalag ka hindi ka umalis!
kasi isa ka sa mga salot sa IGLESIA NI CRISTO!

anyway, di ka naman kailangan ng Iglesia e..
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randy
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August 8th, 2005, 1:29 am #7

di ako natiwalag, kusa ako umalis, di ko kailangan ang kulto nyo!
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