John 17:5 Glory of Christ...

John 17:5 Glory of Christ...

Joined: January 29th, 2012, 10:35 am

April 5th, 2012, 1:28 pm #1



"And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was." [John 17:5]

This verse do not prove of Christ's pre-existence neither does Christ claim to be God.For Christ in that very instance never included himself in the one true God, he speak of no other God but the Father.

"When Jesus had spoken these words, he lifted up his eyes to heaven and said, Father, the hour has come; glorify thy Son that the Son may glorify thee...And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent."(John 17:1,3)
This is the verse that these people disregarded in undertanding john 17:5.


If having a glory means pre-existence, then ordinary people would have pre-existed as well.

"But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto OUR glory:" [1 Cor 2:7]

"According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:" [Eph 1:4]

God "For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them." [Eph 2:10]

"Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began," [2 Tim 1:9]

"In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;" [Titus 1:2]

This proves that God can choose to bestow glory to anyone even before their existence, This is the same thing that happens to Christ.God has given Him glory before the world begun to be the saviour for man and not as God.
"But with the precious blood of Christ as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: 20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you," [1 Pet 1:19-20]

Jesus was given glory before the world was and it does not mean he pre-existed. Chosen people also had glory in the beginning, [1 Cor 2:7] and they did not exist yet when the glory was bestowed to them.




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April 5th, 2012, 2:15 pm #2

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April 5th, 2012, 2:22 pm #3


make sure Eduardo Villanueva Manalo personally questions Milagros Corpuz to expose sexual harassment activities (and life threats by minister Renato Norona against lay Kadiwa Congregants) (performed on iglesianicristo properties) that are being hidden and covered up by Manolito Corpuz (first cousin of Rey Membrere and nephew of Paul Membrere).

Confessions carry a lot of weight in upcoming criminal investigations.
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Joined: January 29th, 2012, 10:35 am

April 7th, 2012, 2:32 pm #4


"And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was." [John 17:5]

This verse do not prove of Christ's pre-existence neither does Christ claim to be God.For Christ in that very instance never included himself in the one true God, he speak of no other God but the Father.

"When Jesus had spoken these words, he lifted up his eyes to heaven and said, Father, the hour has come; glorify thy Son that the Son may glorify thee...And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent."(John 17:1,3)
This is the verse that these people disregarded in undertanding john 17:5.


If having a glory means pre-existence, then ordinary people would have pre-existed as well.

"But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto OUR glory:" [1 Cor 2:7]

"According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:" [Eph 1:4]

God "For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them." [Eph 2:10]

"Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began," [2 Tim 1:9]

"In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;" [Titus 1:2]

This proves that God can choose to bestow glory to anyone even before their existence, This is the same thing that happens to Christ.God has given Him glory before the world begun to be the saviour for man and not as God.
"But with the precious blood of Christ as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: 20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you," [1 Pet 1:19-20]

Jesus was given glory before the world was and it does not mean he pre-existed. Chosen people also had glory in the beginning, [1 Cor 2:7] and they did not exist yet when the glory was bestowed to them.




http://torch-of-salvation.blogspot.com/

http://www.readmeiglesianicristo.blogspot.com/
you just want to evade this...



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April 7th, 2012, 5:13 pm #5

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April 7th, 2012, 5:22 pm #6

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April 7th, 2012, 7:35 pm #7

yes ..holy week..commemorating the passion of christ..
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April 7th, 2012, 11:49 pm #9


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