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June 3rd, 2017, 12:16 am #21

Of course, comparing them to a relatively small, almost exclusively Filipino church that mostly depends on immigration from the Philippines for its growth is not setting the bar very high. These Protestants and Catholics leaving churches that the administration gloats about in its twice weekly brainwashing session aren't exactly flocking to the INC banners. In fact, the few that come to listen in their fruit bearing drives usually walk away thinking the INC people are even crazier than the mainline protestant and catholic beliefs.
for a religious body to source fund.
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June 3rd, 2017, 1:19 am #22

So what?
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June 3rd, 2017, 2:07 am #23

for a religious body to source fund.
Voluntary donations are a foreign concept to INC members
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June 3rd, 2017, 12:25 pm #24

Fwiw, the contributions to the INC are voluntary. They may spend the entire worship service haranguing members for contributions, and they may have the most complex contributions system I have ever seen (that they use to get more contributions), but they still don't force.
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June 3rd, 2017, 12:52 pm #25

Yes who could not be convinced. It's obvious that Manalo stopped WW1 in 1914 when he popped up as an Angel and convinced the world leaders not to harm the earth and sea.

It's obvious that the only true bible is Lamsa published in 1933, the only one to get Acts 20,28 correct. Even the original Greek was wrong.

It's obvious that the only message from God is you must never leave Inc, and keep the offerings rolling in,

Quick get to your nearest Inc recruitment location as the end is so near again and God EVM desperately needs all of your cash. The queue is 10,000,000 indoctinees long so the sooner you sign up you can get started on your 29 lessons 6 months probation and all the other crazy cult things you need to get busy on
Check it out, it was wrong...

http://biblehub.com/interlinear/acts/20-28.htm

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June 3rd, 2017, 1:54 pm #26

How did White "utterly" lose the debate? Be specific in your INC defense
Simply, White failed ever to mention what would have been his strongest argument, namely he failed to even hint that the Bible never says Jesus is not God. Instead, White just tried various verses which he claimed say Jesus is God, and they were all weak arguments.
Ventilacion also failed to state, what would have been his strongest argument, namely that the Bible never states that Jesus is God. Though he came a bit closer, as I seem to remember the debate, I think he said Jesus never said he is God. Though that is not enough, he should have stated that nobody in the Bible ever says Jesus is God, neither Paul, nor Peter, nor John, nor Matthew, etc., no verse in the Bible ever states that. That would have been a powerful argument, and he failed to have made it.
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June 3rd, 2017, 2:08 pm #27

Could say that Dr White lost. Well, he won the first segment any, I only watched bits and pieces of the rest of the debate, it was to boring to watch in detail. But in his opening statement, Dr White quoted a number of scriptures that he believed indicated the trinity was correct, and Joe V ignored the scriptures he quoted. At some point, he should have addressed each scripture that Dr White quoted or quoted a number of scriptures that he believed proved his own point. Instead, he just repeated the same thing over and over again. That is why most people think he lost. At least its why I think he lost. I don't really care about Unitarian vs Trinitarian arguments, but acknowledging all or at least most of the other person's comments/points and responding to them is debating 101. Ignoring them means you lost.
arguments. I mean the way the debate was arranged, it was hard for each one to answer the other one point by point, one debater would raise several points, and the other debater would not find himself able to remember and answer each of the points, that is typical with such a debate, where a person can spend a few minutes arguing his view before the other debater has a chance to answer. So to some extent they both ended up answering by using other verses, instead of analyzing previously raised verses in detail. They thought that they could win the argument by pointing to their favorite verses. So it is not quite like my debates with Michael on the other network54 INC forum, where at least I try to analyze each of the verses Michael raises, fully, though of course I also use other verses and then try to harmonize those verses with the verses Michael points out.
Concerning the debate of White versus Ventilacion, simply, White failed ever to mention what would have been his strongest argument, namely he failed to even hint that the Bible never says Jesus is not God. Instead, White just tried various verses which he claimed say Jesus is God, and they were all weak arguments.
Ventilacion also failed to state, what would have been his strongest argument, namely that the Bible never states that Jesus is God. Though he came a bit closer, as I seem to remember the debate, I think he said Jesus never said he is God. Though that is not enough, he should have stated that nobody in the Bible ever says Jesus is God, neither Paul, nor Peter, nor John, nor Matthew, etc., no verse in the Bible ever states that. That would have been a powerful argument, and he failed to have made it.
So both failed to see that the Bible never says Jesus is God or is not God, so we can't know if he is God or not.
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June 3rd, 2017, 2:18 pm #28

Check it out, it was wrong...

http://biblehub.com/interlinear/acts/20-28.htm
the Lord'. None have been found so far that say 'the church of Christ', or even 'the church of the Christ'. So it is not know how the Peshitta translation came up with 'the church of Christ'. One possibility is that the translator had on hand a Greek text that said 'the church of Christ', though such a text has not survived. Another possibility is that the translator made a careless error, he read maybe 'the church of the Lord', and he mistakenly translated it as 'the church of Christ'.
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June 3rd, 2017, 11:18 pm #29

arguments. I mean the way the debate was arranged, it was hard for each one to answer the other one point by point, one debater would raise several points, and the other debater would not find himself able to remember and answer each of the points, that is typical with such a debate, where a person can spend a few minutes arguing his view before the other debater has a chance to answer. So to some extent they both ended up answering by using other verses, instead of analyzing previously raised verses in detail. They thought that they could win the argument by pointing to their favorite verses. So it is not quite like my debates with Michael on the other network54 INC forum, where at least I try to analyze each of the verses Michael raises, fully, though of course I also use other verses and then try to harmonize those verses with the verses Michael points out.
Concerning the debate of White versus Ventilacion, simply, White failed ever to mention what would have been his strongest argument, namely he failed to even hint that the Bible never says Jesus is not God. Instead, White just tried various verses which he claimed say Jesus is God, and they were all weak arguments.
Ventilacion also failed to state, what would have been his strongest argument, namely that the Bible never states that Jesus is God. Though he came a bit closer, as I seem to remember the debate, I think he said Jesus never said he is God. Though that is not enough, he should have stated that nobody in the Bible ever says Jesus is God, neither Paul, nor Peter, nor John, nor Matthew, etc., no verse in the Bible ever states that. That would have been a powerful argument, and he failed to have made it.
So both failed to see that the Bible never says Jesus is God or is not God, so we can't know if he is God or not.
White had WEAK arguments? JESUS is NOT ETERNAL? you think that?
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June 3rd, 2017, 11:19 pm #30

Simply, White failed ever to mention what would have been his strongest argument, namely he failed to even hint that the Bible never says Jesus is not God. Instead, White just tried various verses which he claimed say Jesus is God, and they were all weak arguments.
Ventilacion also failed to state, what would have been his strongest argument, namely that the Bible never states that Jesus is God. Though he came a bit closer, as I seem to remember the debate, I think he said Jesus never said he is God. Though that is not enough, he should have stated that nobody in the Bible ever says Jesus is God, neither Paul, nor Peter, nor John, nor Matthew, etc., no verse in the Bible ever states that. That would have been a powerful argument, and he failed to have made it.
Does the bible teach JESUS is the CREATOR? yes or NO?
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