The Seahorses

The Seahorses

Chris Helmet
Chris Helmet

July 10th, 2017, 12:55 pm #1

Surely it's time for The Seahorses to get back together? We can finish off that second album, the one about the dolphins was shaping up to be one of the big hits of 1999.
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stiv
stiv

July 10th, 2017, 2:07 pm #2

lol. i know you're takin the piss, but squire dropped them and wouldn't give chris helme the time of day. particularly not for a tour of o2 academy sized venues. the seahorses were quite popular, but that was fleeting and you'd be looking at a kula shaker size reunion.

advise to any buskers who get picked up by an established songwriter with a major label record deal and management - if you start getting in a strop because the guy with the record deal is writing most of the tunes, things aren't going to work out very well for you. fancy getting plucked from obscurity and fucking it up like that by letting fame get to your head.
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tHE hEDGE
tHE hEDGE

July 11th, 2017, 8:40 am #3

LOL at advice to buskers

But alternatively, perhaps alcohol gave Helme the clarity to realise that the material being written by "the guy with the record deal" was absolute toilet.

He decided his dignity and reputation were worth more than any "fame" he'd garner standing on stage singing "I'm in love with a lady called Lara".

He basically took a bullet for us all and you should thank him.
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Joined: February 11th, 2006, 3:30 am

July 11th, 2017, 10:15 am #4

Squire said he booted him because he shut his eyes when he was singing.

pfft.
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stiv
stiv

July 11th, 2017, 10:35 am #5

LOL at advice to buskers

But alternatively, perhaps alcohol gave Helme the clarity to realise that the material being written by "the guy with the record deal" was absolute toilet.

He decided his dignity and reputation were worth more than any "fame" he'd garner standing on stage singing "I'm in love with a lady called Lara".

He basically took a bullet for us all and you should thank him.
yeah, coz he wasn't in a strop because he thought he was charlie big potato and incorrectly thought he'd be able to wrestle control of the songwriting/publishing money after one album. finding out otherwise, he thought he'd set up a solo thing in tandem and was slapped down.

and if he was so principled, how did he end up going through pre-production sessions and getting all the way to the studio all for squire to end up walking out and dropping them? he thought he should be making as much dough as squire, fuck all to do with creative principles. helme would have recorded the second album using it as a springboard for his solo stuff, but got the rug pulled from under him. oh dear.

tomb raid - yeah, i'm pretty sure squire knew the lyrics were comical. deliberately so.
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Me
Me

July 11th, 2017, 10:43 am #6


Lyrics aside, the Guitar playing on that Album is fucking special and Tony's production is awesome
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Martin Clunes
Martin Clunes

July 11th, 2017, 11:48 am #7

Glastonbury 1997. Surely beats Ian Browns hideous vocal performance at Reading for me.
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tHE hEDGE
tHE hEDGE

July 11th, 2017, 12:19 pm #8

yeah, coz he wasn't in a strop because he thought he was charlie big potato and incorrectly thought he'd be able to wrestle control of the songwriting/publishing money after one album. finding out otherwise, he thought he'd set up a solo thing in tandem and was slapped down.

and if he was so principled, how did he end up going through pre-production sessions and getting all the way to the studio all for squire to end up walking out and dropping them? he thought he should be making as much dough as squire, fuck all to do with creative principles. helme would have recorded the second album using it as a springboard for his solo stuff, but got the rug pulled from under him. oh dear.

tomb raid - yeah, i'm pretty sure squire knew the lyrics were comical. deliberately so.
I've no idea mate. I'm only being semi serious. It's a shame Ian McDonald isn't still around to write the definitive history of the Seahorses "in the studio".

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stiv
stiv

July 11th, 2017, 12:33 pm #9

right you are
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stiv
stiv

July 11th, 2017, 12:53 pm #10

Lyrics aside, the Guitar playing on that Album is fucking special and Tony's production is awesome
do it yourself gets trashed, but in terms of britpop albums and specifically 1997, it holds its own. great guitar work aside, there are some really nice vocal melodies on there. people attack some of the lyrics - but that wasn't squire dropping his standards, it was just indie music press/fans not getting or accepting jovial lyrics. some of them are hilarious and they were meant to be. at least some thought went into them, unlike a lot of ian's sky/high type lyrics.

their first drummer was really sloppy live (watch love is the law on tfi - he can't stay in time at all), and then they toured with some session players which was a bit weird. but if they'd finished a second album, which would have had a bit more scope than the debut (the bootleg doesn't have a couple of the better songs, and does feature things that would have been bsides), they may have been looked back at a bit more fondly and helme may have actually been able to launch a solo career. but instead he played up because he wanted more than a couple of tracks on the album and threw it all away.
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