Yet another P-40B color question (s)

Joined: March 22nd, 2018, 7:25 pm

May 13th, 2018, 2:10 am #1

The lead plane of this three-ship formation is in the KH-R markings included with Monogram's 1/48 P-40B forever. The info I have is 403 Squadron RCAF 1941. Monogram's serial matches. I've built one RAF plastic model my whole life so I'm looking for opinions about every color on this aircraft. Any help will be greatly appreciated and recorded for when I get to building it. I did the other two versions over 30 years ago and would like to get this one as right as practical: P-40B Curtiss_Tomahawk_403_Sqn_RCAF_in_flight_1941.jpg
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May 13th, 2018, 2:42 am #2

Hi!
   According to "Camouflage and Markings Mohawk, Tomahawk and Airacobra " the colors are RAF Dark Green, Dark Earth and Sky undersides, with Sky spinner and tail band. Codes are in Medium Sea Grey. KH*R retains a black undersides to the port wing. Also KH* appears to have a camera installed in the radio hatch. Hope this helps!

Bruce
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May 13th, 2018, 2:52 am #3

YES it DOES! I had no idea about the camera or black wing, this just got WAY more interesting! THANK YOU!!!

I think you've answered everything here.
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May 13th, 2018, 3:04 am #4

Well almost everything lol, any idea where the black port underside would terminate?
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May 13th, 2018, 3:09 am #5

Quoting a post found here:
http://cs.finescale.com/fsm/modeling_su ... 63486.aspx
"According to Dana Bell's research for his book "Aviation Color Primers No. 1 US Export Colors of WWII" the colors are : Dupont 71-009 or 71-065 "Dark Earth" Dupont 71-013 Dark Green and an unspecified light grey that is called "Sky Type S Grey". this is a very mis-leading name as there are actually two colors there, a pale grey and a pale green. this same name was also used for the P-39 and was specified as Dupont 71-021."

Sky Type S Grey has been widely discussed and debated.

FWIW, here are a few possibly useful images. The first is the color chart submitted to the British by Dupont in 1942:


Dupont Chart.jpg
You'll notice that the chart is lacking Dark Earth 71-009. (Also, Dark Earth 71-035 is referred to as 71-065 in the quoted post above.) 71-009 was Dupont's earlier version of Dark Earth and was used as part of the Temperate Land Scheme on planes like the P-40 as delivered to GB. It was lighter and redder than 71-035. Here's a digital comparison of the two shades, I THINK done by Nick Millman:

DuPont Dark Earth.png Finally, here's a digital representation of 71-021 Sky Type S Grey. I can't vouch for its accuracy. As I said, there has been much controversy over this shade, much of it stemming from Dupont's inexplicable inclusion of the word Grey in its name. There seems to be fairly widespread agreement that the color used was paler and grayer than RAF Sky, but that it still had at least a greenish cast.

DuPont 71-021.jpg
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May 13th, 2018, 3:22 am #6

Thanks Pip! These color charts will help tremendously. I knew about DuPont equivalent paints but very little, this explains a lot and thanks for taking the time to explain it even further, I really appreciate it.
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May 13th, 2018, 3:25 am #7

Just found another view: P-40B 403 Squadron =P-40_Tomahawks_of_No__403_Squadron_RCAF_Based_at_Baginton_1941.jpg
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May 13th, 2018, 3:34 am #8

And this profile, does this look about right for the black wing termination? Also ending at under-fuselage centerline? P-40B 403 Squadron =s-l300.jpg
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May 13th, 2018, 3:53 am #9

Not 403 Sq. but a black wing under a Tomahawk, agrees with the profile drawing as to where the black terminates: P-40B 403 Squadron =NOT 403 but wing standard.jpg
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May 16th, 2018, 7:43 pm #10

Tripletdad wrote: Hi!
   According to "Camouflage and Markings Mohawk, Tomahawk and Airacobra " the colors are RAF Dark Green, Dark Earth and Sky undersides, with Sky spinner and tail band. Codes are in Medium Sea Grey. KH*R retains a black undersides to the port wing. Also KH* appears to have a camera installed in the radio hatch. Hope this helps!

Bruce
I've been looking for photos of that camera installation but no joy. Anyone have a pic, drawing, or a way to steer me toward some info on this? All I need to know is what it looks like from the outside of an enclosed airplane, not planning on building the actual camera or anything like that.

Also, does the new Airfix 1/48 Tomahawk boxing (second issue with two RAF Tomahawk options, not the original Pearl Harbor/AVG boxing but if that one also has it that would work too) have provisions for this? Maybe I'm looking for an excuse to buy one. :)

EDIT 5/17/18: I found this nice big Airfix box art pic that shows what looks like camera stuff but none of the in-box reviews I've read or seen on you-tube mention anything about if or how it might be represented within the kit. I may just have to buy one and see what it comes with. I'd really like to use the Monogram kit if I can, since I've been contemplating that third kit decal option for it all my life: _R875 Airfix =Screenshot_47_94b22954-9fe3-43aa-ace6-f82e310aa540.jpg
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