Question on using using Trumpeter 1/350 USS The Sullivans kit for Korean War Fletcher-class Destroyer

Joined: November 15th, 2005, 7:52 pm

June 4th, 2018, 10:20 pm #1

Folks,

From the information that I was able to gather on the USS Kimberly (DD-521) during its Korean War deployment it appears that I could probably use the Trumpeter 1/350 USS The Sullivans DD-537 kit almost out of the box to replicate it, minus aftermarket decals to represent the larger, shadowed hull numbers (http://www.goldmm.com/ships/350-1D.htm).

Please see the below links regarding the Kimberly and the Trumpeter kit and let me know if you agree or not.  Please note the 2nd link on the Kimberly in particular where it mentions that the Group 1 ships were basically in their WWII configuration with some ASW improvements:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Kimberly_(DD-521)

http://www.destroyers.org/ShipsStore/pr ... -grp-1.htm

http://www.modelwarships.com/reviews/sh ... eview.html

TIA!

Rick
   
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Joined: October 2nd, 2004, 2:57 am

June 5th, 2018, 1:07 pm #2

The Trumpeter 'The Sullivans' is probably the best way to get to your goal in plastic, but that kit is not without its problems.   The deck features raised sidewalks when in reality they should be stick-on rubber non-skid matting.  Think of your old front door mat.  They really need to be sanded down.    The 40-mm guns are little more than sticks on boxes and the 20-mm guns are 10 feet tall (to match our 10 foot tall sailors - no wonder we won!).   Replacements are available should you choose to go there.  The stack side grating also needs attention

The description of Group 1 boats and the drawing of the McCord are inconsistent with the picture you linked






"Profile of the USS McCord (DD-534) is typical of the group. Armament: five 5-in./38 cal gun mounts, two quadruple 40mm and one twin 40mm gun mounts, one quintuple 21-in. torpedo tube mount, two Mk 10/11 hedgehog mounts, and one depth charge release track/one storage rack. Fire Control: one MK-37 GFCS with MK 25 radar, two Mk 63 GFCS with MK 19 radar, one MK 51 GFCS with MK 14 gun sight, and two MK 27 torpedo directors. Radar: SR air search set (pole foremast) and one SPS-10 surface navigational set. Sonar: one QHB set with TRR and attack plotter, one MK 102 UFCS...."

The drawing of the McCord shows a late-war Anti-kamikaze fit which The Sullivans received and as she exists in Buffalo currently.

There should be 5 twin 40-mm mounts with a total of 10 gun tubes instead of 2 quads and a twin.
The photo appears to show 2 quint torpedo banks.
Hedgehog launchers are not visible in this view,  but I have seen a forward quarter view taken at the same time (same shadow under whale boat) which the lockers were not present.   She did have hedgehogs when transferred to the Taiwanese navy.
Two depth charge tracks vice 1 cited in description
MK37 with MK25 radar. No;  the MK25 is the round dish seen on many post-war mods.   Your photo shows the typical wartime radar mounted in the MK37.
The MK63 Gun director is an on-mount system for late/post-war quad 40mm guns.   Your picture downst show.
You should have 3 to 5 MK51 gun directors for the twin 40mm present in your picture..emts are 
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Joined: October 2nd, 2004, 2:57 am

June 5th, 2018, 7:40 pm #3

Aha,  I found the forward quarter photo that pairs with the one you linked



However,  I also found a photo which purports to be from the 1952 world cruise cruisebook.

DD521Kimberly1952.jpg
Its from an eBay listing.   This looks to be more in line with the description of the McCord cited above.  You will also have to deal with enclosing the bridge area forward
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June 5th, 2018, 7:59 pm #4

Ed,

Thanks!  Did you also find some of your information from this?: http://www.navsource.org/archives/05/pix1/0552115.jpg

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June 5th, 2018, 8:04 pm #5

No.  I have been dealing with Fletchers for a few years now
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June 16th, 2018, 1:35 pm #6

I have the Trumpy USS The Sullivan's. I also had the Tamiya Fletcher. There's been a lot of negative things said about the Trumpy Fletcher. The good thing about the Trumpy kit is that the basics are there to make just about any configuration wartime square bridge Fletcher you want. The real issues are with the detail parts. I used some parts from a Tamiya Fletcher to help out the Trumpy kit, specifically the funnel uptake vents. Trumpy's are really bad. I would suggest you try to get some aftermarket parts to replace the kit's gun mounts. I bought Alliance Modelworks sets for the 5" Mk30 gun mounts, as well as their twin and quad 40mm Bofors mounts. The Alliance Bofors sets look to be resin copies of the very nice Dragon parts but with some PE added. I also have the Tom's Modelworks Fletcher PE set which is ok but I believe there are better ones available. A very nice Fletcher can be made from the kit if you add the aftermarket parts along with some Tamiya. I plan on doing the USS Kidd in its late war AA fit.  
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