OK this goes against what I've learned, but are the facts true?

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OK this goes against what I've learned, but are the facts true?

Joined: April 16th, 2008, 10:38 pm

January 12th, 2018, 8:18 pm #1

Did the Russians shoot down many B-29s and was the kill ratio pretty much even in 1951 when Russia sent WWII aces to fly the Mig-15 against U.S aces?

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January 12th, 2018, 9:40 pm #2

The B-29s had a rough time with the MiG-15s. Someone may chime in on this but I recall reading B-29s were switched to night missions due to the loss rate.

As for the 1951 kill ratio it probably comes down to whom you talk to. The author of the Osprey title on MiG-15 Aces in the Korean War believes both sides overclaimed and the true numbers likely lie somewhere in the middle.
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January 13th, 2018, 12:37 am #3

Did the Russians shoot down many B-29s and was the kill ratio pretty much even in 1951 when Russia sent WWII aces to fly the Mig-15 against U.S aces?

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Web site with the information

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Andrew

http://www.koreanwar-educator.org/topic ... damage.htm
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January 13th, 2018, 2:15 am #4

The B-29s had a rough time with the MiG-15s. Someone may chime in on this but I recall reading B-29s were switched to night missions due to the loss rate.

As for the 1951 kill ratio it probably comes down to whom you talk to. The author of the Osprey title on MiG-15 Aces in the Korean War believes both sides overclaimed and the true numbers likely lie somewhere in the middle.
The Osprey B-29s Korean War title is awesome
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January 13th, 2018, 2:19 am #5

The B-29s had a rough time with the MiG-15s. Someone may chime in on this but I recall reading B-29s were switched to night missions due to the loss rate.

As for the 1951 kill ratio it probably comes down to whom you talk to. The author of the Osprey title on MiG-15 Aces in the Korean War believes both sides overclaimed and the true numbers likely lie somewhere in the middle.
their victories over the Sabre added up to just about the total number of F-86 aircraft that were in combat during the war, I think it safe to say that something was not kosher.
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January 13th, 2018, 2:24 am #6

were lost to MiG-15s in the whole war
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January 13th, 2018, 2:34 am #7

Did the Russians shoot down many B-29s and was the kill ratio pretty much even in 1951 when Russia sent WWII aces to fly the Mig-15 against U.S aces?

https://www.rbth.com/blogs/continental_ ... ies-751633
and this it did effectively over Korea, so you could say it did its job there. It wasn't built to fight the F-86, and F-86s surely downed more MiG-15s than vice-versa, but a good Russian pilot in a MiG-15 and a good US pilot in an F-86 were probably among the most evenly matched opponents in the history of air combat. Apparently the book Black Tuesday over Naamsi is a good record of the B-29 and MiG encounters and other Korean War air battles.
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January 13th, 2018, 5:20 am #8

Did the Russians shoot down many B-29s and was the kill ratio pretty much even in 1951 when Russia sent WWII aces to fly the Mig-15 against U.S aces?

https://www.rbth.com/blogs/continental_ ... ies-751633
were nearly completely controlled by ground controllers and weren't set up to be as free to engage on their own as this article states. Actually this piece sounds like an American air battle narrative, with the nationality changed! Except for running to a safe sanctuary in China.
Naturally the big, slow B-29s and their pre-jet era gunsighting computers were no match for the MiGs with their 37MM cannons, which is why the B-29s were moved to night missions only.
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January 13th, 2018, 5:22 am #9

Did the Russians shoot down many B-29s and was the kill ratio pretty much even in 1951 when Russia sent WWII aces to fly the Mig-15 against U.S aces?

https://www.rbth.com/blogs/continental_ ... ies-751633
...had they included pictures of MiG-15s at the top of the article. I believe those are MiG-17s.
Scott
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January 13th, 2018, 12:55 pm #10

were nearly completely controlled by ground controllers and weren't set up to be as free to engage on their own as this article states. Actually this piece sounds like an American air battle narrative, with the nationality changed! Except for running to a safe sanctuary in China.
Naturally the big, slow B-29s and their pre-jet era gunsighting computers were no match for the MiGs with their 37MM cannons, which is why the B-29s were moved to night missions only.
I saw the History Channel's Dog Fight's episode that addresses Risner's encounter over Antung. I don't recall if the show mentions that the MiG pilot was Russian or not. However, I know for a fact that the pilot was Russian because my father flew in the 4th FIW, 336th FIS with Risner. When Risner became operations officer he assigned his F-86 "Ohio Mike" to my dad often. I've seen my dad's log book and know this to be true.

In any case Risner confirmed that he saw a pilot with red hair and goatee beard when the two flew along side each other. Risner had blown the MiG's canopy off already and the pilot's helmet along with it. He even shook his fist at Risner as they looked at each other.

As for radar control,,,both sides had rader capable of vectoring their pilots into potential engagements. The US held Chodo Island for most of the war and had radar to vector pilots accordingly.
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