My Bad Time At Carolina's Air Museum

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My Bad Time At Carolina's Air Museum

Joined: February 26th, 2005, 11:06 pm

May 28th, 2012, 5:42 pm #1

Carolina's Air Museum needs to work on their PR. Like many, I thought I'd go to see the condition of the B-24 that had the nose gear failure. When I arrived at 12:00 today, I was impressed how much money was spent upscaling the museum since I was last there 15 years ago. Absolutely clean and beautiful. Many of the planes I remember seeing 15 years ago were not there or hidden from view. I was a bit disappointed but there were more that a few great planes to get close to and appreciate. So I went on the tarmac to check out and film the damage B-24's nose. There were about twenty spectators milling around the plane. As I approached the plane a staff woman rounded everyone up and said " Everyone behind the barrier(putting spectators 75 feet away), there's sharp metal there...". What ?! I could also hit my head on the tarmac or walk into a door but either is very unlikely, even for a idiot like me. But that was okay, so I decided to walk up to their beautiful DC-7. My first plane ride was on a UNITED DC-6b way back in 1964. As I got within 50 feet of the plane a staff guy said "I'm sorry sir, you have to get behind the barrier, this woman is with at FAA". ??? Whatever...

The old Carolina's Air Museum was visitor friendly. It made you feel welcome to see and touch these beautiful planes. I know, some of you may blame insurance restrictions as the cause of the hassles. But at $12 a person, that should easily cover any accidental injury.

The bottom line is I did not feel welcome or appreciated for being there on this Memorial Day. I hope the Vets I saw during my visit weren't treated as poorly.

To really appreciate why I'm so pissed off, you had to be there with me. I know there will be a counter attack by those who weren't. Again you should have been there. No one treated like that wants to come back.

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Joined: March 2nd, 2005, 3:52 pm

May 28th, 2012, 6:01 pm #2

Venting here is fine, but it's not going to change anything there. Letting them know how you felt about your visit is the only way to get them to change.
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Joined: August 12th, 2004, 3:14 pm

May 28th, 2012, 6:02 pm #3

Carolina's Air Museum needs to work on their PR. Like many, I thought I'd go to see the condition of the B-24 that had the nose gear failure. When I arrived at 12:00 today, I was impressed how much money was spent upscaling the museum since I was last there 15 years ago. Absolutely clean and beautiful. Many of the planes I remember seeing 15 years ago were not there or hidden from view. I was a bit disappointed but there were more that a few great planes to get close to and appreciate. So I went on the tarmac to check out and film the damage B-24's nose. There were about twenty spectators milling around the plane. As I approached the plane a staff woman rounded everyone up and said " Everyone behind the barrier(putting spectators 75 feet away), there's sharp metal there...". What ?! I could also hit my head on the tarmac or walk into a door but either is very unlikely, even for a idiot like me. But that was okay, so I decided to walk up to their beautiful DC-7. My first plane ride was on a UNITED DC-6b way back in 1964. As I got within 50 feet of the plane a staff guy said "I'm sorry sir, you have to get behind the barrier, this woman is with at FAA". ??? Whatever...

The old Carolina's Air Museum was visitor friendly. It made you feel welcome to see and touch these beautiful planes. I know, some of you may blame insurance restrictions as the cause of the hassles. But at $12 a person, that should easily cover any accidental injury.

The bottom line is I did not feel welcome or appreciated for being there on this Memorial Day. I hope the Vets I saw during my visit weren't treated as poorly.

To really appreciate why I'm so pissed off, you had to be there with me. I know there will be a counter attack by those who weren't. Again you should have been there. No one treated like that wants to come back.

Rant Off!
Climb over a cordoned off bomber that just crashed makes you feel pissed off and unwelcome?

And yes there probably are insurance or FAA restrictions and just paying $12 to get in does not mean they don't have to follow the rules laid down to them.
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May 28th, 2012, 6:05 pm #4

Carolina's Air Museum needs to work on their PR. Like many, I thought I'd go to see the condition of the B-24 that had the nose gear failure. When I arrived at 12:00 today, I was impressed how much money was spent upscaling the museum since I was last there 15 years ago. Absolutely clean and beautiful. Many of the planes I remember seeing 15 years ago were not there or hidden from view. I was a bit disappointed but there were more that a few great planes to get close to and appreciate. So I went on the tarmac to check out and film the damage B-24's nose. There were about twenty spectators milling around the plane. As I approached the plane a staff woman rounded everyone up and said " Everyone behind the barrier(putting spectators 75 feet away), there's sharp metal there...". What ?! I could also hit my head on the tarmac or walk into a door but either is very unlikely, even for a idiot like me. But that was okay, so I decided to walk up to their beautiful DC-7. My first plane ride was on a UNITED DC-6b way back in 1964. As I got within 50 feet of the plane a staff guy said "I'm sorry sir, you have to get behind the barrier, this woman is with at FAA". ??? Whatever...

The old Carolina's Air Museum was visitor friendly. It made you feel welcome to see and touch these beautiful planes. I know, some of you may blame insurance restrictions as the cause of the hassles. But at $12 a person, that should easily cover any accidental injury.

The bottom line is I did not feel welcome or appreciated for being there on this Memorial Day. I hope the Vets I saw during my visit weren't treated as poorly.

To really appreciate why I'm so pissed off, you had to be there with me. I know there will be a counter attack by those who weren't. Again you should have been there. No one treated like that wants to come back.

Rant Off!
Security has gone nuts, particularly in aviation. Unfortunately, the planes you were trying to see were on active airport grounds, meaning the museum had to deal with FAA "Post 9/11" security rules. I remember "back in the day" our local air museum just had a little three or four foot fence along the ramp, making it easy to get great pics of planes coming and going. Now there's a ten-foot chain-link fence topped with barbed wire, and signs warning of dire consequences every few feet.

As for being kept back from the B-24, I can't blame them (although 75 ft seems a bit excessive.) In today's environment, it's entirely plausible that little Johnny (or his clueless dad) would try to touch the damaged area, end up with stitches, then file a multi-million dollar lawsuit.

The problem is, while most of us are responsible adults with honorable intentions, the restrictions are there because of the few idiots that cause trouble..whether intentionally or through sheer stupidity.

SN
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Joined: February 27th, 2005, 1:34 pm

May 28th, 2012, 6:10 pm #5

Carolina's Air Museum needs to work on their PR. Like many, I thought I'd go to see the condition of the B-24 that had the nose gear failure. When I arrived at 12:00 today, I was impressed how much money was spent upscaling the museum since I was last there 15 years ago. Absolutely clean and beautiful. Many of the planes I remember seeing 15 years ago were not there or hidden from view. I was a bit disappointed but there were more that a few great planes to get close to and appreciate. So I went on the tarmac to check out and film the damage B-24's nose. There were about twenty spectators milling around the plane. As I approached the plane a staff woman rounded everyone up and said " Everyone behind the barrier(putting spectators 75 feet away), there's sharp metal there...". What ?! I could also hit my head on the tarmac or walk into a door but either is very unlikely, even for a idiot like me. But that was okay, so I decided to walk up to their beautiful DC-7. My first plane ride was on a UNITED DC-6b way back in 1964. As I got within 50 feet of the plane a staff guy said "I'm sorry sir, you have to get behind the barrier, this woman is with at FAA". ??? Whatever...

The old Carolina's Air Museum was visitor friendly. It made you feel welcome to see and touch these beautiful planes. I know, some of you may blame insurance restrictions as the cause of the hassles. But at $12 a person, that should easily cover any accidental injury.

The bottom line is I did not feel welcome or appreciated for being there on this Memorial Day. I hope the Vets I saw during my visit weren't treated as poorly.

To really appreciate why I'm so pissed off, you had to be there with me. I know there will be a counter attack by those who weren't. Again you should have been there. No one treated like that wants to come back.

Rant Off!
You drive all the way there on a hot as hell August day. Get there and find out you have to pay $$$ to become an EAA member so you can actually get inside the fenced off areas. Then 5 minutes before the Airshow starts your girlfriend gets very ill from the heat and you leave.
At least I met Adolf Galland....

Fast Forward 30 years. My best friend and I last month go to Urbana Ohio after the R-4 convention, for the gathering of B-25's. As we approach the gate I am fully expecting to be charged 30 dollars or more to get in. I literally was dumbstruck when the gate lady asked me for 5 bucks!
Oh what a day that was. You got to climb all around B-25's that were towed from the fligtline to the grass area. You also were treated with the spectacle of seeing B-25's in the air along with a P-51 escort. Later another P-51, P-40, Corsair and Zero arrived later in the afternoon.

Did I mention it was 5 BUCKS!!!

unbelievable deal for an unforgettable afternoon!!!


Cheers,

Max Bryant

"You'll Love My Wingnuts!"
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Joined: January 27th, 2004, 5:18 pm

May 28th, 2012, 6:13 pm #6

Carolina's Air Museum needs to work on their PR. Like many, I thought I'd go to see the condition of the B-24 that had the nose gear failure. When I arrived at 12:00 today, I was impressed how much money was spent upscaling the museum since I was last there 15 years ago. Absolutely clean and beautiful. Many of the planes I remember seeing 15 years ago were not there or hidden from view. I was a bit disappointed but there were more that a few great planes to get close to and appreciate. So I went on the tarmac to check out and film the damage B-24's nose. There were about twenty spectators milling around the plane. As I approached the plane a staff woman rounded everyone up and said " Everyone behind the barrier(putting spectators 75 feet away), there's sharp metal there...". What ?! I could also hit my head on the tarmac or walk into a door but either is very unlikely, even for a idiot like me. But that was okay, so I decided to walk up to their beautiful DC-7. My first plane ride was on a UNITED DC-6b way back in 1964. As I got within 50 feet of the plane a staff guy said "I'm sorry sir, you have to get behind the barrier, this woman is with at FAA". ??? Whatever...

The old Carolina's Air Museum was visitor friendly. It made you feel welcome to see and touch these beautiful planes. I know, some of you may blame insurance restrictions as the cause of the hassles. But at $12 a person, that should easily cover any accidental injury.

The bottom line is I did not feel welcome or appreciated for being there on this Memorial Day. I hope the Vets I saw during my visit weren't treated as poorly.

To really appreciate why I'm so pissed off, you had to be there with me. I know there will be a counter attack by those who weren't. Again you should have been there. No one treated like that wants to come back.

Rant Off!
but take just a moment to consider that this incident is now being investigated by the FAA (as in FEDERAL authorities), and they are not known for their casual, customer-friendly service if you know what I mean. As the incident took place while the aircraft was being operated in conjunction with the Museum, I expect there are probably a lot of raw nerves around there right now... most museums operate on a shoestring budget as it is, and nobody wants humorless, anal-retentive Federal inspectors poking around and interfering with their operation.

Again, I'm not trying to minimize your anger- I'd probably be p*ssed off too- but I'd humbly ask that you take their position into consideration right now. Despite the CAF crew doing an absolutely sterling job under the circumstances and minimizing damage to the greatest extent possible, the fact is that they interrupted operations at a major transportation hub and that's going to generate MOUNDS of paperwork and negative attention from people whom you really don't want any sort of attention from.

I sure wouldn't want to be part of the management staff of that place at the moment.

Best wishes and happy Memorial Day-

Lynn

"History is not 'was', it 'is'." - William Faulkner
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Joined: February 26th, 2005, 11:06 pm

May 28th, 2012, 6:26 pm #7

Carolina's Air Museum needs to work on their PR. Like many, I thought I'd go to see the condition of the B-24 that had the nose gear failure. When I arrived at 12:00 today, I was impressed how much money was spent upscaling the museum since I was last there 15 years ago. Absolutely clean and beautiful. Many of the planes I remember seeing 15 years ago were not there or hidden from view. I was a bit disappointed but there were more that a few great planes to get close to and appreciate. So I went on the tarmac to check out and film the damage B-24's nose. There were about twenty spectators milling around the plane. As I approached the plane a staff woman rounded everyone up and said " Everyone behind the barrier(putting spectators 75 feet away), there's sharp metal there...". What ?! I could also hit my head on the tarmac or walk into a door but either is very unlikely, even for a idiot like me. But that was okay, so I decided to walk up to their beautiful DC-7. My first plane ride was on a UNITED DC-6b way back in 1964. As I got within 50 feet of the plane a staff guy said "I'm sorry sir, you have to get behind the barrier, this woman is with at FAA". ??? Whatever...

The old Carolina's Air Museum was visitor friendly. It made you feel welcome to see and touch these beautiful planes. I know, some of you may blame insurance restrictions as the cause of the hassles. But at $12 a person, that should easily cover any accidental injury.

The bottom line is I did not feel welcome or appreciated for being there on this Memorial Day. I hope the Vets I saw during my visit weren't treated as poorly.

To really appreciate why I'm so pissed off, you had to be there with me. I know there will be a counter attack by those who weren't. Again you should have been there. No one treated like that wants to come back.

Rant Off!
... But I believe I'd be talking to the "hand". I think bitching here will let the public know that there is a problem and instead of just me Bitching maybe a few hundred of those that care like me will ask why so many are having a negative experience. That's why I wanted to post this great disappointment. Its not just about me, its about the young adult who wants to get in touch with our parent's past and appreciate what they sacrificed to let us live the life we live today. Enough flag waving, It was just a bad experience that didn't help Carolina's Air Museum at all. CAM, Let's get it visitor friendly!
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Joined: December 22nd, 2006, 12:05 am

May 28th, 2012, 6:48 pm #8

Carolina's Air Museum needs to work on their PR. Like many, I thought I'd go to see the condition of the B-24 that had the nose gear failure. When I arrived at 12:00 today, I was impressed how much money was spent upscaling the museum since I was last there 15 years ago. Absolutely clean and beautiful. Many of the planes I remember seeing 15 years ago were not there or hidden from view. I was a bit disappointed but there were more that a few great planes to get close to and appreciate. So I went on the tarmac to check out and film the damage B-24's nose. There were about twenty spectators milling around the plane. As I approached the plane a staff woman rounded everyone up and said " Everyone behind the barrier(putting spectators 75 feet away), there's sharp metal there...". What ?! I could also hit my head on the tarmac or walk into a door but either is very unlikely, even for a idiot like me. But that was okay, so I decided to walk up to their beautiful DC-7. My first plane ride was on a UNITED DC-6b way back in 1964. As I got within 50 feet of the plane a staff guy said "I'm sorry sir, you have to get behind the barrier, this woman is with at FAA". ??? Whatever...

The old Carolina's Air Museum was visitor friendly. It made you feel welcome to see and touch these beautiful planes. I know, some of you may blame insurance restrictions as the cause of the hassles. But at $12 a person, that should easily cover any accidental injury.

The bottom line is I did not feel welcome or appreciated for being there on this Memorial Day. I hope the Vets I saw during my visit weren't treated as poorly.

To really appreciate why I'm so pissed off, you had to be there with me. I know there will be a counter attack by those who weren't. Again you should have been there. No one treated like that wants to come back.

Rant Off!
Federal regs supersede local PR and your feelings in every instance, no matter how well intentioned. Not to mention liability issues and common sense.

If there is a way for a museum visitor to get hurt, it'll happen.
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Joined: February 26th, 2005, 11:06 pm

May 28th, 2012, 6:53 pm #9

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May 28th, 2012, 7:03 pm #10

... But I believe I'd be talking to the "hand". I think bitching here will let the public know that there is a problem and instead of just me Bitching maybe a few hundred of those that care like me will ask why so many are having a negative experience. That's why I wanted to post this great disappointment. Its not just about me, its about the young adult who wants to get in touch with our parent's past and appreciate what they sacrificed to let us live the life we live today. Enough flag waving, It was just a bad experience that didn't help Carolina's Air Museum at all. CAM, Let's get it visitor friendly!
a nice constructive positive message.

Also, anywhere near a FAA investigation is Federal territory. Don't be put off by that.

Just my thoughts.

Californis Steve
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