Midway Aircraft Underside Color

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Midway Aircraft Underside Color

Joined: December 26th, 2002, 5:54 pm

June 22nd, 2012, 1:49 pm #1

Having finished my Corsair,http://www.network54.com/Forum/47751/me ... -1+Corsair ,where I got to practice my Navy Blue color mixing, I'm ready to start my build of the Yorktown's (CV-5) aircraft, starting with the F4F-4, probably in the colors of Ens. Milton Tootle.

I've seen references to Non-Specular White and Light Gull Gray as the appropriate color for early war aircraft, but I know this changed, and I can't pin down what it was exactly at the time. I do know that VF-3 had brand new birds when they reported on board Yorktown prior to Midway.

Thanks for any help. And anyone interested in CV-5 should check out my new website dedicated to her:http://cv5yorktown.com/

-Devin
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Joined: February 24th, 2002, 4:17 pm

June 22nd, 2012, 2:01 pm #2

The Wildcats would be in the same Blue-Gray / Lt. Gray Scheme.

Very nicely built model of the Corsair.

As a note, the vertical fin of a B-G/Lt G scheme would be the B-G, not Lt. Gray. As for your Corsair scheme, I'm confused as to the use of the Star and Bars without an outline and the odd demarcation of the Blue-Gray and Lt. Gray. The adoption of the bars was also done with the adoption of the red outline on June 28, 1943.

The issue was that the B-G faded badly and unevenly.

The question that i do not know is whether the red and white stripes on the rudder were removed. They continued into 1942.



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Joined: February 24th, 2002, 4:17 pm

June 22nd, 2012, 2:11 pm #3

Having finished my Corsair,http://www.network54.com/Forum/47751/me ... -1+Corsair ,where I got to practice my Navy Blue color mixing, I'm ready to start my build of the Yorktown's (CV-5) aircraft, starting with the F4F-4, probably in the colors of Ens. Milton Tootle.

I've seen references to Non-Specular White and Light Gull Gray as the appropriate color for early war aircraft, but I know this changed, and I can't pin down what it was exactly at the time. I do know that VF-3 had brand new birds when they reported on board Yorktown prior to Midway.

Thanks for any help. And anyone interested in CV-5 should check out my new website dedicated to her:http://cv5yorktown.com/

-Devin
Looks like the stripes painted out, but national marking in 6 positions.

http://www.ww2incolor.com/d/448106-3/wildcat-yorktown

http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/even ... id-1h3.htm

http://ww2db.com/image.php?image_id=2048







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Ive realized that most people ... tend not to be direct when they feel something is shoddy because they want to be liked, "which is actually a vain trait".
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Joined: January 17th, 2003, 8:40 pm

June 22nd, 2012, 2:21 pm #4

Having finished my Corsair,http://www.network54.com/Forum/47751/me ... -1+Corsair ,where I got to practice my Navy Blue color mixing, I'm ready to start my build of the Yorktown's (CV-5) aircraft, starting with the F4F-4, probably in the colors of Ens. Milton Tootle.

I've seen references to Non-Specular White and Light Gull Gray as the appropriate color for early war aircraft, but I know this changed, and I can't pin down what it was exactly at the time. I do know that VF-3 had brand new birds when they reported on board Yorktown prior to Midway.

Thanks for any help. And anyone interested in CV-5 should check out my new website dedicated to her:http://cv5yorktown.com/

-Devin
... in the two colour scheme, "Blue Gray" on top, "Light Gray" on bottom surfaces. I think its denomination is "M-485".
Fernando

EDIT: it is "M-495". "M-485" is Blue Gray.
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Joined: February 26th, 2005, 11:38 pm

June 22nd, 2012, 2:54 pm #5

The Wildcats would be in the same Blue-Gray / Lt. Gray Scheme.

Very nicely built model of the Corsair.

As a note, the vertical fin of a B-G/Lt G scheme would be the B-G, not Lt. Gray. As for your Corsair scheme, I'm confused as to the use of the Star and Bars without an outline and the odd demarcation of the Blue-Gray and Lt. Gray. The adoption of the bars was also done with the adoption of the red outline on June 28, 1943.

The issue was that the B-G faded badly and unevenly.

The question that i do not know is whether the red and white stripes on the rudder were removed. They continued into 1942.



There is no such thing as an unbuildable kit, just some kits one may consider not worth building.

Ive realized that most people ... tend not to be direct when they feel something is shoddy because they want to be liked, "which is actually a vain trait".
[Walter Isaacson's (author of Steve Jobs) recounting of his interview with Jony Ive, Chief Designer at Apple @ page p. 461]



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FWIW, I just finished reading "The First Team" and it says Enterprise & Hornet aircraft painters spent 10 May 1942 painting over the rudder stripes and national insignia meatballs "in conformance to a new directive from CinCPac." Would it be safe to assume Yorktown's air group did it on or about the same day?

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Joined: February 24th, 2002, 4:17 pm

June 22nd, 2012, 2:57 pm #6

But note the dark of the fresh paint on the rudder.



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Ive realized that most people ... tend not to be direct when they feel something is shoddy because they want to be liked, "which is actually a vain trait".
[Walter Isaacson's (author of Steve Jobs) recounting of his interview with Jony Ive, Chief Designer at Apple @ page p. 461]



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Joined: July 22nd, 2005, 11:17 pm

June 22nd, 2012, 3:02 pm #7

Having finished my Corsair,http://www.network54.com/Forum/47751/me ... -1+Corsair ,where I got to practice my Navy Blue color mixing, I'm ready to start my build of the Yorktown's (CV-5) aircraft, starting with the F4F-4, probably in the colors of Ens. Milton Tootle.

I've seen references to Non-Specular White and Light Gull Gray as the appropriate color for early war aircraft, but I know this changed, and I can't pin down what it was exactly at the time. I do know that VF-3 had brand new birds when they reported on board Yorktown prior to Midway.

Thanks for any help. And anyone interested in CV-5 should check out my new website dedicated to her:http://cv5yorktown.com/

-Devin
The stripes were gone by Midway. For the definitive book on the Navy's air war during that period, you should try to find the book "The First Team" by John B. Lundstrom (I might know where to get you an inexpensive copy of the paperback).

Your Corsair is very well done, but it would have had a field-applied 3-color scheme applied onto the original blue-gray over lt. gray. The light gray was not applied that far up the fuselage sides, or on the vertical stabilizer. They should be blue-gray. The dark blue was painted on the upper wings and top of the fuselage.

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Joined: March 2nd, 2005, 12:32 am

June 22nd, 2012, 3:10 pm #8

But note the dark of the fresh paint on the rudder.



There is no such thing as an unbuildable kit, just some kits one may consider not worth building.

Ive realized that most people ... tend not to be direct when they feel something is shoddy because they want to be liked, "which is actually a vain trait".
[Walter Isaacson's (author of Steve Jobs) recounting of his interview with Jony Ive, Chief Designer at Apple @ page p. 461]



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reveal "Ghost" stripes on the rudders and a pale pink area in the stars, where the red disc was overpainted. Hal
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Joined: February 24th, 2002, 4:17 pm

June 22nd, 2012, 3:17 pm #9

also, on fabric control surfaces, one would want to sue least amount of paint so as not to affect weight and balance



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Ive realized that most people ... tend not to be direct when they feel something is shoddy because they want to be liked, "which is actually a vain trait".
[Walter Isaacson's (author of Steve Jobs) recounting of his interview with Jony Ive, Chief Designer at Apple @ page p. 461]



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Joined: October 21st, 2005, 2:28 pm

June 22nd, 2012, 3:28 pm #10

Having finished my Corsair,http://www.network54.com/Forum/47751/me ... -1+Corsair ,where I got to practice my Navy Blue color mixing, I'm ready to start my build of the Yorktown's (CV-5) aircraft, starting with the F4F-4, probably in the colors of Ens. Milton Tootle.

I've seen references to Non-Specular White and Light Gull Gray as the appropriate color for early war aircraft, but I know this changed, and I can't pin down what it was exactly at the time. I do know that VF-3 had brand new birds when they reported on board Yorktown prior to Midway.

Thanks for any help. And anyone interested in CV-5 should check out my new website dedicated to her:http://cv5yorktown.com/

-Devin
Hi Devin,

When i built my Tamiya F4F-4, i used MM Blue Gray (approximately FS 35189) on top and i used MM Light Gull Gray 36440 for the undersides. After putting on the 36440 Gull Gray i felt that straight from the bottle it looked too dark, and i knew it would be even darker once the gloss coat went on over it.

So, i went back and re-sprayed MM Light Aircraft gray, FS 36495 over the Light Gull gray and the contrast (accounting for gloss coats and scale effect) looked much better.

The other option i would suggest is mix MM Light Gull Gray with Insignia White. Try an experiment of mixing 2 parts Gull Gray to 1 part Flat White, and then mix 1 part Gull Gray and 1 part Flat White. Compare the colours to the blue gray and go with the one you think looks best.

HTH,

david

PS FS 36440 , Light Gull Gray is an FS equivalent to ANA 602 (or was it 620?), Light aircraft gray, but its a very poor match.

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