I just noted that “ Europe” is considering banning various Plastic items......Hmmm.

I just noted that “ Europe” is considering banning various Plastic items......Hmmm.

Joined: October 24th, 2007, 10:03 pm

May 29th, 2018, 1:49 am #1

I saw news reports that “Europe” was seriously considering banning “single use” plastic straws along with plastic spoons and forks. (Presume plastic knifes as well?’
Appreciating the plastic waste issues/problems, just wondering what if any effect(s’ this might have on our hobby?
Not talking on an out right ban but, additional “disposal fee/tax” to “ protect the environment”?


B-T-W in our county, plastic bags are now cost five cents (U.S. funds) at any store checkout. Bring your own plastic/reusable or pay up.
P.S.  Kind of ironic since the same county provides (so far) non degradeable clear type plastic bags for municipal leaf pick up(s) in the Autumn.
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Joined: September 10th, 2001, 7:56 pm

May 29th, 2018, 5:27 am #2

jamesBer wrote:

B-T-W in our county, plastic bags are now cost five cents (U.S. funds) at any store checkout. Bring your own plastic/reusable or pay up.
 In your state, perhaps. Not so much in this one.
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Joined: February 26th, 2005, 11:49 pm

May 29th, 2018, 5:31 am #3

I have 2 dogs.  I have to pick up after them.  I use plastic bags, because paper bags aren't going to hold the stuff very well.
So there's a choice, isn't there?
Well, I guess I could use my bare hand!

Jim
Not everything had changed, only the important stuff. - Charles Stross
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Joined: July 11th, 2005, 1:07 pm

May 29th, 2018, 8:28 am #4

N9JOY wrote: I have 2 dogs.  I have to pick up after them.  I use plastic bags, because paper bags aren't going to hold the stuff very well.
So there's a choice, isn't there?
Well, I guess I could use my bare hand!

Jim
Yes there’s a choice, you can use a heavier gauge paper to pick it up and retain in. Paper comes in many different grades. I clean out the roasting tins and frying pans containing sticking thick /thin gooey meat fat/ olive oil etc with thick kitchen paper roll. It seems to keep my hands completely clean and dry. Or wear rubber gloves to protect delicate hands. 

 I’ve even seen people use a poop a scoop to pick up in rather than using their hand. 

This is a great move by the EU and I’m full support of it. Hopefully next they legislate to make ALL food plastic containers that shops use to sell food in recyclable. 

If it’s going to help the planet why wouldn’t you do it ? 

As to modelling it won’t affect it at all unless the item is a single use product.

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Andrew 
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Joined: February 27th, 2005, 3:53 pm

May 29th, 2018, 8:30 am #5

The EU is not banning plastic. People around here are fully aware that plastic is important and plays a significant role in every aspect of our lives. You can find it in your house, your life, you are reading this though a device that is mostly plastic, your car, your clothing, your pocket. The EU is banning the disposable plastic items that littler the environment, mostly used in the food industry. I cannot recall a single case of plastic model kits littering the environment.
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Joined: November 17th, 2006, 1:18 pm

May 29th, 2018, 9:43 am #6

And really, just how many Tamiya 32nd P-51s get tossed, see their way into the trash/landfill or the streams/rivers/oceans????

Single use plastic crap. Like they did w/ supermarket plastic bags, styro cups, and as they should w/ ALL those plastic water bottles out there. Return deposits I mean for the water bottles. Is tap water really that bad in your neck of the woods? AND that, water bottle fees, would also prob provide the homeless w/ another sm revenue stream. Coke cans and pop bottles I think are now pretty slim pickings in downtown trash receptacles. Guess most offices/workplaces now have recycling programs.

And too, styrene hobby kits per yr, 100s of thousands maybe? Single use coffee stirrers, straws and forks, BILLIONS and BILLIONS and BILLIONS!

A 'deposit' like w/ new TVs? That's mainly more for the toxic electronic waste within afaik, more than the plastic. More plastic in a patio chair or a cooler I'd think. WAY more in a car. Think they'll start up ft charging a 'toxic materials handling/disposal deposit/fee on Vettes?

Good for Europe. The US seems to always be playing catch up when it comes for 'good for the Earth' and social issue decisions/laws. Scandinavia esp.
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May 29th, 2018, 1:00 pm #7

N9JOY wrote: I have 2 dogs.  I have to pick up after them.  I use plastic bags, because paper bags aren't going to hold the stuff very well.
So there's a choice, isn't there?
Well, I guess I could use my bare hand!

Jim
I would hope you dispose of those poop filled bags properly and not toss them on the roadside or on a beach.  The big problem is that the specified single use plastic just gets dropped when one is finished. 
Steven “Modeldad” Eisenman

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Joined: May 19th, 2013, 2:09 pm

May 29th, 2018, 1:06 pm #8

jamesBer wrote: I saw news reports that “Europe” was seriously considering banning “single use” plastic straws along with plastic spoons and forks. (Presume plastic knifes as well?’
Appreciating the plastic waste issues/problems, just wondering what if any effect(s’ this might have on our hobby?
Not talking on an out right ban but, additional “disposal fee/tax” to “ protect the environment”?


B-T-W in our county, plastic bags are now cost five cents (U.S. funds) at any store checkout. Bring your own plastic/reusable or pay up.
P.S.  Kind of ironic since the same county provides (so far) non degradeable clear type plastic bags for municipal leaf pick up(s) in the Autumn.
Theoretically, it may make kits cheaper. Less demand for plastic could result in lower price.  

As others noted, we do not toss our kits on the roadside or beach.  Although, a model kit is perhaps "single use plastic". So the proposed regulations have nothing to do with plastic hobby kits.

In Massachusetts, the town, not county, is the basis for local law and regulation.  My town and many others have simply outlawed the used of plastic bags in stores.  Back to good old brown paper.  Some even have begun to prohibit water in bottles.  As for leaf bags, that the home owner's obligation, and you just get the brown paper from Home Depot or Costco, or ACE.
Steven “Modeldad” Eisenman

'Storm's A-Comin' Baby'
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Joined: October 22nd, 2005, 9:08 pm

May 30th, 2018, 3:19 pm #9

There are plenty of biodegradable dog poop bags on the market, btw.
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Joined: September 28th, 2006, 2:51 am

June 3rd, 2018, 1:38 pm #10

samodeldad wrote: Theoretically, it may make kits cheaper. Less demand for plastic could result in lower price.  

As others noted, we do not toss our kits on the roadside or beach.  Although, a model kit is perhaps "single use plastic". So the proposed regulations have nothing to do with plastic hobby kits.

In Massachusetts, the town, not county, is the basis for local law and regulation.  My town and many others have simply outlawed the used of plastic bags in stores.  Back to good old brown paper.  Some even have begun to prohibit water in bottles.  As for leaf bags, that the home owner's obligation, and you just get the brown paper from Home Depot or Costco, or ACE.
And if it rains while the paper bags are sitting at the curb for pickup? Wet, stinky grass in a fall-apart bag.
Thank goodness the same initiative, pushed by our county "we know best" dictators, was rebuffed the citizens.

Paper bags require much more energy and cost more to produce. 

What is needed is just commonsense on the part of each individual to dispose of single use plastic in a responsible way.  Sorry, the latter is probably an un-reachable goal as so many are not responsible in so many different ways.  Besides, how would the "homeless" on the streets carry their stuff if there were no plastic bags.
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