History of British Roundels?

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History of British Roundels?

Joined: March 10th, 2005, 5:37 pm

March 27th, 2012, 2:57 pm #1

Any back story to the colors chosen?

Just curious here at a slow moment at my desk...

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Joined: December 9th, 2009, 11:45 pm

March 27th, 2012, 3:20 pm #2

National flag colours, and reverse of French roundel in WWI. n/t
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Joined: July 8th, 2008, 10:57 am

March 27th, 2012, 3:28 pm #3

Any back story to the colors chosen?

Just curious here at a slow moment at my desk...
at first they used the Union Jack, but this was too easily confused with the German cross. Hence the switch to a roundel a la the French.

Stuart
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March 27th, 2012, 3:59 pm #4

and now the MOD has been trying to claim copyright, as it's their intellectual property.
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Joined: January 17th, 2008, 12:33 am

March 27th, 2012, 4:34 pm #5

...certainly considering the colors. The RAF roundels use the UK's heraldic colors, which go back to the Act of Union and the evolution of the Union Jack (red Cross of Saint George on a white field, for England, and white Saltire of St Andrew on blue, for Scotland, and then later, the addition of St. Patrick's saltire in red). The French only took red, white and blue in their revolution. The roundel itself evolved from a round version of a ribbon cockade worn on headgear since the 18th century.

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Joined: November 8th, 2006, 11:19 am

March 27th, 2012, 4:48 pm #6

and now the MOD has been trying to claim copyright, as it's their intellectual property.
Edgar,

I find it interesting that the British asked permission from the French to use the roundel. Where is this documented? I believe that the MoD claims are based on the law of trademarks and I always thought that a trademark had to be sufficiently different from any other in order to avoid confusion. The number of times that I have been to airshows in France and in Britain when I have overheard visitors who have obviously confused the two markings... It has also happened in print. These are the oldest references which I have concerning national markings and they are taken from a book dated 1918.



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Joined: December 9th, 2009, 11:45 pm

March 27th, 2012, 6:29 pm #7

markings, and, under reference AH.204/5/512, it says,"H.Q. R.F.C. Memo to Mission Francaise dated 29th October 1914 proposed to try system of circles similar to those on French machines but with red centre and blue outer circle. Mission Francaise letter dated 31st October 1914 stated 'No objection.'"
G.H.Q. were then asked, and gave their permission on the same date, and issued Routine Orders 76 12th November 1914 to that effect.
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Joined: November 8th, 2006, 11:19 am

March 27th, 2012, 7:43 pm #8

That's interesting information.

Mike
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Joined: March 3rd, 2005, 10:45 am

March 27th, 2012, 9:19 pm #9

Any back story to the colors chosen?

Just curious here at a slow moment at my desk...
Initially, but they standardised on a blue/white/red roundel pretty quickly
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Joined: February 27th, 2005, 3:06 pm

March 28th, 2012, 1:11 am #10

the Danes already were using this so the RN had to change theirs - I think

Cheers, Vic
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