Have any of you read "Blue Moon Over Cuba" ? Thanks, George nt

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September 18th, 2015, 2:39 am #1

Have any of you read "Blue Moon Over Cuba" ? Thanks, George nt
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Yes, Good Read!

September 18th, 2015, 10:18 am #2

I enjoyed reading the story of Navy Recon over Cuba during the '62 crisis. I'm an ex-Air Force type and found it very well done, especially when it pointed out that the USAF RF-101 low-level high speed cameras didn't work, or didn't work as well as the RF-8 systems did. (One of my favorite Cuban Missile Crisis pictures is the one which captured the shadow of an RF-101 in its own recon photo). I think you'll enjoy the book, and then try to find an RF-8 kit or a conversion for one!
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Hello, FBaehre --- I found an article re resin 1/72 conversion but it is

September 18th, 2015, 3:30 pm #3

long out of production.

I really want to build two of those ... Glenn's Project Bullet and one of the Cuban Crisis, but in 1/48.

There is one just over the Alabama line from me at the USS ALABAMA park. I have seen it some years ago after Ivan had damaged it.

I presume that in 1/48 I will have to create the modifications. Was there a vac kit for this ?

Thanks for your comments, George
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Re: Hello, FBaehre --- I found an article re resin 1/72 conversion but it is

September 18th, 2015, 6:01 pm #4

Hey George! Thanks for the joke the other day...REALLY enjoyed it! As to an RF-8 conversion, I remember there being one a number of years ago-don't remember if it was vac or resin. I also remember (I think) RVHP did a resin fuselage conversion at one time. HTH.

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Maintrack Models...

September 19th, 2015, 3:05 am #5

did a 48th forward fuselage in resin many years a go. Really nice too.
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Hi Doug --- Thanks for that info !!! Odds are likely a million to one

September 19th, 2015, 5:05 am #6

finding one, but I'll shake the trees and see if anything falls out. Maybe there is a review of it somewhere. George
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1/48th RF-8 Conversions (edited)

September 19th, 2015, 7:46 am #7

long out of production.

I really want to build two of those ... Glenn's Project Bullet and one of the Cuban Crisis, but in 1/48.

There is one just over the Alabama line from me at the USS ALABAMA park. I have seen it some years ago after Ivan had damaged it.

I presume that in 1/48 I will have to create the modifications. Was there a vac kit for this ?

Thanks for your comments, George
George,

There have been several RF-8 conversions over the years, none particularly good. The first was the War Eagle vac for the ESCI kit. The conversion was in some respects better than the base kit, but not worth messing with, because the ESCI kit is really awful.

Two resin conversions were done for the Monogram kit, the one by Maintrack and one by C and H. Of the two, the Maintrack is the more accurate in that it made a real stab at the smaller nose. It is a one piece forward fuselage conversion, but does have a cockpit molded in. C and H just put a Cobra nose cone on a Monogram fuselage which stands out like a sore thumb. Plus, it is also a one piece forward fuselage conversion, but their is one no cockpit! Try doing the intake and cockpit on that! It even buffaloed Phil Brandt. I always hoped Bill Koster would do one, but he didn't.

So far there have also been two for the Hasegawa kit: RVHP and, again, C and H. RVHP gives you the whole fuselage , but less the vertical stab, which you are to adapt from the kit. Far easier to cut the fuselage halves of both the kit and the conversion at the forward main gear bulkhead and graft the RVHP forward fuselage to Hasegawa's aft fuselage. But the big problem with the RVHP set is he made not attempt at all to modify the nose (other than make a provison for a pitot tube and camera window in the E radome, so what you have, in essence, is an RF-8E - which did not exist. The C and H set is better, they ditched the one piece foreward fuselage and used the Cutting Edge C conversion for the nose. Unfortunately, the CE nose isn't right either, because it used the kit windscreen part which includes part of the enlarged fuselage fairing for the E radar, so there is a pronounced step in profile which shouldn't be there, and the base of the radome is too wide as well so it is off in plan view also.

All the conversions also give you solid camera ports that you are meant to paint. That is semi acceptable in 72nd, but not, to me at least, in 48th. Further, ALL RF-8 conversions, in all scales share the same fundamental shape error, and that is that the forward fuselage is essentially a flat sided fighter fuselage, not a true photo bird forward fuselage which is considerably wider - top and bottom - beginning just forward of the main gear wells and tapering back in just aft of the canopy on the upper and into the intake below the windscreen on the lower fuselage. This is why there is no IFR probe bulge on the photo's - it wasn't needed (and why the AC exhaust duct on the right side is pretty much flush with the fuselage - another point missed in all conversions). And there is a slight angle to the flat area where the camera bays and ports are, giving the fuselage in that area a horseshoe shaped cross section. Here is a photo comparing a fighter and a photo head on (well, the RF-8 isn't quite head-on but close enough to illustrate the point):

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Note how much fuselage you can see either side of the RF-8 canopy relative to the F-8. And because of all this - using the essential fuselage shape of the fighter - the upper wing-fuselage fairing is not even close to correct in any conversion in any scale, some are ludicrously incorrect.

Maybe someday someone will do it right, either a full kit or a conversion. I am sure Hasegawa had that in mind when they released the fighter, since there is a mold parting line on the inside of the fuselage exactly where it should be: at the forward main gear bulkhead.
But I am beginnning to doubt that I will live to see it.

Cheers,

Tom
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Hello, Tom -- Thanks so much for your in-depth info !!! nt

September 19th, 2015, 1:15 pm #8

Hello, Tom -- Thanks so much for your in-depth info !!! nt
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That pretty much sums it up.....

September 19th, 2015, 4:23 pm #9

George,

There have been several RF-8 conversions over the years, none particularly good. The first was the War Eagle vac for the ESCI kit. The conversion was in some respects better than the base kit, but not worth messing with, because the ESCI kit is really awful.

Two resin conversions were done for the Monogram kit, the one by Maintrack and one by C and H. Of the two, the Maintrack is the more accurate in that it made a real stab at the smaller nose. It is a one piece forward fuselage conversion, but does have a cockpit molded in. C and H just put a Cobra nose cone on a Monogram fuselage which stands out like a sore thumb. Plus, it is also a one piece forward fuselage conversion, but their is one no cockpit! Try doing the intake and cockpit on that! It even buffaloed Phil Brandt. I always hoped Bill Koster would do one, but he didn't.

So far there have also been two for the Hasegawa kit: RVHP and, again, C and H. RVHP gives you the whole fuselage , but less the vertical stab, which you are to adapt from the kit. Far easier to cut the fuselage halves of both the kit and the conversion at the forward main gear bulkhead and graft the RVHP forward fuselage to Hasegawa's aft fuselage. But the big problem with the RVHP set is he made not attempt at all to modify the nose (other than make a provison for a pitot tube and camera window in the E radome, so what you have, in essence, is an RF-8E - which did not exist. The C and H set is better, they ditched the one piece foreward fuselage and used the Cutting Edge C conversion for the nose. Unfortunately, the CE nose isn't right either, because it used the kit windscreen part which includes part of the enlarged fuselage fairing for the E radar, so there is a pronounced step in profile which shouldn't be there, and the base of the radome is too wide as well so it is off in plan view also.

All the conversions also give you solid camera ports that you are meant to paint. That is semi acceptable in 72nd, but not, to me at least, in 48th. Further, ALL RF-8 conversions, in all scales share the same fundamental shape error, and that is that the forward fuselage is essentially a flat sided fighter fuselage, not a true photo bird forward fuselage which is considerably wider - top and bottom - beginning just forward of the main gear wells and tapering back in just aft of the canopy on the upper and into the intake below the windscreen on the lower fuselage. This is why there is no IFR probe bulge on the photo's - it wasn't needed (and why the AC exhaust duct on the right side is pretty much flush with the fuselage - another point missed in all conversions). And there is a slight angle to the flat area where the camera bays and ports are, giving the fuselage in that area a horseshoe shaped cross section. Here is a photo comparing a fighter and a photo head on (well, the RF-8 isn't quite head-on but close enough to illustrate the point):

[/IMG]

Note how much fuselage you can see either side of the RF-8 canopy relative to the F-8. And because of all this - using the essential fuselage shape of the fighter - the upper wing-fuselage fairing is not even close to correct in any conversion in any scale, some are ludicrously incorrect.

Maybe someday someone will do it right, either a full kit or a conversion. I am sure Hasegawa had that in mind when they released the fighter, since there is a mold parting line on the inside of the fuselage exactly where it should be: at the forward main gear bulkhead.
But I am beginnning to doubt that I will live to see it.

Cheers,

Tom
Thanks for the post, Tom. Couldn't have said it better myself.

IIRC Paul Fisher does have a 32nd scale RF-8 conversion project, either in development, or under consideration. I'd be willing to do one in 32nd scale if that project comes to fruition. You and I both know Doug would love to have one.

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Re: That pretty much sums it up.....

September 20th, 2015, 5:33 am #10

Hi Dave,

Never heard that Fisher had plans for an RF-8 conversion. He did at one point have as a future item on his site a corrected intake for the E and J, but that never materialized and disappeared from the site (in part, I suspect, because his C conversion did not include any corrections to the intake area and is just as far off as Trumpeter's). If he did one, I would buy it, but considering the amount of work it would take to get the rest of the Trumpeter kit to what I consider a reasonable level of accuracy, I doubt I would ever build it. Besides, it is in a scale which excited no interest in me at all, so if he does it, you will have to do one for CA. Do it just like this:

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Cheers,

Tom
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