Fw190F-9 loadout?

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Fw190F-9 loadout?

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February 12th, 2018, 7:34 pm #1

I am finishing off a Fw190F-9 in spring of 1945 tank hunting livery. It carries the Panzerblitz rockets and was operational april/may 45 in Germany. In addition to the rockets, what would it have carried on the centerline rack? I am thinking likely either a drop tank or nothing, but would it have a bomb possibly?

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Chris
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February 12th, 2018, 8:16 pm #2

According to Vol 3 of Fw 190 by Classic Publications, the F-9 was not equipped with them.

However there was an F-8/Pb fitted with R4H1 rockets, but does not give any production numbers. I do have a document which indicates that both the F-8 and F-9 could be fitted with both R4M air to air and R4H1 Panzerblitz rockets.

The Panzerblitz was the R4M rocket with a different head, larger and hollow charge. I presume the rack was the same.

I found this site, but it sounds like conjecture
http://www.nevingtonwarmuseum.com/r4m.html


Perhaps someone has more specific information.

Not sure if this is an F-8 or -9. But it is fitted with the rack for the R4M


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February 12th, 2018, 8:23 pm #3

I am finishing off a Fw190F-9 in spring of 1945 tank hunting livery. It carries the Panzerblitz rockets and was operational april/may 45 in Germany. In addition to the rockets, what would it have carried on the centerline rack? I am thinking likely either a drop tank or nothing, but would it have a bomb possibly?

Thanks!

Chris
Hi Chris,
Most F-8s and F-9s were equipped with a ETC 501 rack with the mounting lugs for bombs whether they carried rockets or not. It really depended on the mission.
Cheers, Jerry
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February 12th, 2018, 8:35 pm #4

I am finishing off a Fw190F-9 in spring of 1945 tank hunting livery. It carries the Panzerblitz rockets and was operational april/may 45 in Germany. In addition to the rockets, what would it have carried on the centerline rack? I am thinking likely either a drop tank or nothing, but would it have a bomb possibly?

Thanks!

Chris
Chris,
Are you familiar with that series of photos posted on the internet some time ago of F-8s with Panzerschreck 1 rockets?
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February 12th, 2018, 10:56 pm #5

According to Vol 3 of Fw 190 by Classic Publications, the F-9 was not equipped with them.

However there was an F-8/Pb fitted with R4H1 rockets, but does not give any production numbers. I do have a document which indicates that both the F-8 and F-9 could be fitted with both R4M air to air and R4H1 Panzerblitz rockets.

The Panzerblitz was the R4M rocket with a different head, larger and hollow charge. I presume the rack was the same.

I found this site, but it sounds like conjecture
http://www.nevingtonwarmuseum.com/r4m.html


Perhaps someone has more specific information.

Not sure if this is an F-8 or -9. But it is fitted with the rack for the R4M

That is the exact aircraft that I am trying to model. It is an F-9 from somewhere in Germany at war's end.

Thanks!

Chris
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February 12th, 2018, 11:02 pm #6

Chris,
Are you familiar with that series of photos posted on the internet some time ago of F-8s with Panzerschreck 1 rockets?
Jerry
I might have seen some of them in my searching the subject, but a particular series is not springing to mind.

Given the narrowness of Germany at the time, long range tanks were probably not needed very often. I know if I was a pilot at that time I would likely have left the rack empty for the extra performance. Flak and interceptors being what they were, lumbering along at max load was probably not a good idea.

Thanks!

Chris

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February 13th, 2018, 12:30 am #7

Chris,
Yes, that's a nice example of an F-9 with R4M rockets. In an attempt to stop the onslaught from the east, rockets were planned to be mounted on all Fw 190s, Doras and Ta 152s. There are photos of JG 26 D-9s that had R4Ms mounted that flew to Norway with drop tanks. Documents proposed R4Ms to be mounted in cluster pods on He 162s, project a/c Julia and even the Natter. Have you seen the photos taken by Douglas Bell Dana Bell's father of "Black 33" with Panzerschreck rockets taken near Ingolstadt-Winden, Germany.
Cheers, Jerry
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February 13th, 2018, 1:44 am #8

I don'thave the photo that I can find quickly, but I have artwork of that one on the cover of a Japo booklet on 190 F's and G's. I also have both of your Dora books that have the Norway planes.

I interpreted the photo that MD has posted as being 75/83 with "84" fuselage sides and a 76 underwing. It also has small patches of nmf on the wing undersides near the aileron. I made it "Weiss 2" and the yellow striped cowl and rudder. I think I am fairly close and they weren't doing a lot of fancy painting in those days anyway! I did consider 81/82 but that seems to be a lot less common than 75/83 on the late war 190F's.

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Chris
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February 13th, 2018, 5:08 am #9

Good luck with the build!(nt)
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February 13th, 2018, 11:47 pm #10

According to Vol 3 of Fw 190 by Classic Publications, the F-9 was not equipped with them.

However there was an F-8/Pb fitted with R4H1 rockets, but does not give any production numbers. I do have a document which indicates that both the F-8 and F-9 could be fitted with both R4M air to air and R4H1 Panzerblitz rockets.

The Panzerblitz was the R4M rocket with a different head, larger and hollow charge. I presume the rack was the same.

I found this site, but it sounds like conjecture
http://www.nevingtonwarmuseum.com/r4m.html


Perhaps someone has more specific information.

Not sure if this is an F-8 or -9. But it is fitted with the rack for the R4M

Great picture above!

You can tell what a 190A or F is set up to carry on its centerline ETC 501, even when nothing is hanging from it. When set up for drop tanks, there was a longitudinal spacer bar connecting the two shackles on each side of the rack.

When set up for bombs, you just see "naked" shackles as in the photo.
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