Flying sharks - part II : Fun with a PE and resin interior

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Flying sharks - part II : Fun with a PE and resin interior

Joined: December 24th, 2005, 1:07 pm

October 11th, 2011, 8:47 pm #1

Greetings

Last week I started the new Airfix P-40 on the Airfix forum



I had decided to built it together with the Trumpeter and one of the AML P-40 kits



Pretty soon I realized I had to spend a lot more time on the AML kit

I had never worked with a PE and resin interior before



I decided to try it - and post it here since it's low on Airfix content

First : figuring out what to do with the PE instrument panel and pedals



It takes some ingenuity to bend the pieces into shape



After a few minutes :



Cutting the seat from the casting block



It sure is the most detailed interior of the three kits



Painting with interior green was easy



I had read many horror stories about resin side panels being too thick

So I dremeled down the interior fuselage sides



A test run with Maskol - offering me an easy way out when things go legs up



It was not a good fit - and I learned I could cut off some of the "out of view" resin corners for a better fit



Much better



Well... what did we expect ?

The PE instrument panel was too wide - and didn't fit



I decided to drill "slots" in the resin side panel parts - these locations were mainly out of view anyway



Fit was better

Time for the instruments - first time I got to play with such a pre printed "film"



WOW !

I need to play more with instrument films !



The tail wheel "well" (also!) needed to be thinned down for a good fit



I added some evergreen rods along the fuselage joins - for easier fit



I first glued the rear fuselage together



Then I trapped the instrument panel between the fuselages in the slots I had made in the resin side panels



Then I glued the front ends together



Almost straight and good enough



I still had to add the gun handles (parts PUR,11)

They were too long (intended to go past the instrument panel)



I cut the rear parts off - since there was no room for it - and it was out of view anyway



And glued these in place

I also had to narrow down the pedal PE piece by cutting of the tiny side parts



Pedals ready



Then I glued the cockpit tub in place with Maskol - good stuff to keep things in place



All this work took me 3 evening - to get to this point

It sure looks nice - though next time I will thin down the resin side panels as well

And heck, I still have to paint the gun handles



All 3 kits are now ready for wings

Left to right, Airfix, Trumpeter and AML



I realize PE and resin parts are a bit "frowned upon" - but these parts were included in the kit, so I wanted to try them

They do add to a more detailled look, though it demands some work - but I'm pleased with it though I wish I had sanded down the resin side panels too... ah well, next time

Thank you for your attention for one of my most boring posts so far



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William De Coster / Belgium / past builds on HS : Plastic Stories

1/72 - Airfix - Spitfre PR.XIX : Part I (incl Flying Legends 2011 show report) - Part II - Part III - Part IV (incl. Pilsenkit 2011 show report pt.1/2)
1/72 - Airfix - Me-262 : Part I - Part II - Part III - Post scriptum / end (incl. eDay 2011 show report pt.1/2)
1/72 - Airfix, Trumpeter and AML - Curtiss Hawk 81 : Part I
1/72 - AGA - Polikarpov I-3 : Part I - Part II - Part III - Part IV - Part V
1/72 - KP - MiG-15 UTI : Part I - Part II (incl. Pilsenkit 2011 show report pt.2/2) - Part III - Part IV - Part V /end (incl. eDay 2011 show report pt. 2/2)

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Joined: April 2nd, 2007, 11:33 pm

October 11th, 2011, 11:36 pm #2

That looks just fine. It's an amazing amount of work but looking really nice.

Great post too, as usual. It's fun to see them built together.

Can't wait to get my Airfix example!!!!!!!!!!

Regards,

Dan From Tacoma, Washington USA
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Joined: July 27th, 2009, 4:13 pm

October 11th, 2011, 11:42 pm #3

Greetings

Last week I started the new Airfix P-40 on the Airfix forum



I had decided to built it together with the Trumpeter and one of the AML P-40 kits



Pretty soon I realized I had to spend a lot more time on the AML kit

I had never worked with a PE and resin interior before



I decided to try it - and post it here since it's low on Airfix content

First : figuring out what to do with the PE instrument panel and pedals



It takes some ingenuity to bend the pieces into shape



After a few minutes :



Cutting the seat from the casting block



It sure is the most detailed interior of the three kits



Painting with interior green was easy



I had read many horror stories about resin side panels being too thick

So I dremeled down the interior fuselage sides



A test run with Maskol - offering me an easy way out when things go legs up



It was not a good fit - and I learned I could cut off some of the "out of view" resin corners for a better fit



Much better



Well... what did we expect ?

The PE instrument panel was too wide - and didn't fit



I decided to drill "slots" in the resin side panel parts - these locations were mainly out of view anyway



Fit was better

Time for the instruments - first time I got to play with such a pre printed "film"



WOW !

I need to play more with instrument films !



The tail wheel "well" (also!) needed to be thinned down for a good fit



I added some evergreen rods along the fuselage joins - for easier fit



I first glued the rear fuselage together



Then I trapped the instrument panel between the fuselages in the slots I had made in the resin side panels



Then I glued the front ends together



Almost straight and good enough



I still had to add the gun handles (parts PUR,11)

They were too long (intended to go past the instrument panel)



I cut the rear parts off - since there was no room for it - and it was out of view anyway



And glued these in place

I also had to narrow down the pedal PE piece by cutting of the tiny side parts



Pedals ready



Then I glued the cockpit tub in place with Maskol - good stuff to keep things in place



All this work took me 3 evening - to get to this point

It sure looks nice - though next time I will thin down the resin side panels as well

And heck, I still have to paint the gun handles



All 3 kits are now ready for wings

Left to right, Airfix, Trumpeter and AML



I realize PE and resin parts are a bit "frowned upon" - but these parts were included in the kit, so I wanted to try them

They do add to a more detailled look, though it demands some work - but I'm pleased with it though I wish I had sanded down the resin side panels too... ah well, next time

Thank you for your attention for one of my most boring posts so far



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William De Coster / Belgium / past builds on HS : Plastic Stories

1/72 - Airfix - Spitfre PR.XIX : Part I (incl Flying Legends 2011 show report) - Part II - Part III - Part IV (incl. Pilsenkit 2011 show report pt.1/2)
1/72 - Airfix - Me-262 : Part I - Part II - Part III - Post scriptum / end (incl. eDay 2011 show report pt.1/2)
1/72 - Airfix, Trumpeter and AML - Curtiss Hawk 81 : Part I
1/72 - AGA - Polikarpov I-3 : Part I - Part II - Part III - Part IV - Part V
1/72 - KP - MiG-15 UTI : Part I - Part II (incl. Pilsenkit 2011 show report pt.2/2) - Part III - Part IV - Part V /end (incl. eDay 2011 show report pt. 2/2)

Just like the perfect woman doesn't exist, I will never build a perfect model.
Puts me on a par with God
- you can't be serious?

Your descripion of your work illustrates a problem frequently encountered with a lot of the short run kits with PE and resin bits. I'm sure the instrument panel and the pedal assembly are true to scale. But of course the fuselage thickness is not and with those resin sidewalls it gets even worse. But it is a classic problem: Do you want parts true to scale or do you want parts that fit?

You have done a fine job with the AML kit. Will follow your progress with great interest!

PE and resin parts are not frowned upon, in my opinion. And nothing beats a good film for the instruments. Eduard should have received a modeller's Nobel prize for inventing that!
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Joined: July 8th, 2008, 10:57 am

October 12th, 2011, 12:36 am #4

Greetings

Last week I started the new Airfix P-40 on the Airfix forum



I had decided to built it together with the Trumpeter and one of the AML P-40 kits



Pretty soon I realized I had to spend a lot more time on the AML kit

I had never worked with a PE and resin interior before



I decided to try it - and post it here since it's low on Airfix content

First : figuring out what to do with the PE instrument panel and pedals



It takes some ingenuity to bend the pieces into shape



After a few minutes :



Cutting the seat from the casting block



It sure is the most detailed interior of the three kits



Painting with interior green was easy



I had read many horror stories about resin side panels being too thick

So I dremeled down the interior fuselage sides



A test run with Maskol - offering me an easy way out when things go legs up



It was not a good fit - and I learned I could cut off some of the "out of view" resin corners for a better fit



Much better



Well... what did we expect ?

The PE instrument panel was too wide - and didn't fit



I decided to drill "slots" in the resin side panel parts - these locations were mainly out of view anyway



Fit was better

Time for the instruments - first time I got to play with such a pre printed "film"



WOW !

I need to play more with instrument films !



The tail wheel "well" (also!) needed to be thinned down for a good fit



I added some evergreen rods along the fuselage joins - for easier fit



I first glued the rear fuselage together



Then I trapped the instrument panel between the fuselages in the slots I had made in the resin side panels



Then I glued the front ends together



Almost straight and good enough



I still had to add the gun handles (parts PUR,11)

They were too long (intended to go past the instrument panel)



I cut the rear parts off - since there was no room for it - and it was out of view anyway



And glued these in place

I also had to narrow down the pedal PE piece by cutting of the tiny side parts



Pedals ready



Then I glued the cockpit tub in place with Maskol - good stuff to keep things in place



All this work took me 3 evening - to get to this point

It sure looks nice - though next time I will thin down the resin side panels as well

And heck, I still have to paint the gun handles



All 3 kits are now ready for wings

Left to right, Airfix, Trumpeter and AML



I realize PE and resin parts are a bit "frowned upon" - but these parts were included in the kit, so I wanted to try them

They do add to a more detailled look, though it demands some work - but I'm pleased with it though I wish I had sanded down the resin side panels too... ah well, next time

Thank you for your attention for one of my most boring posts so far



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William De Coster / Belgium / past builds on HS : Plastic Stories

1/72 - Airfix - Spitfre PR.XIX : Part I (incl Flying Legends 2011 show report) - Part II - Part III - Part IV (incl. Pilsenkit 2011 show report pt.1/2)
1/72 - Airfix - Me-262 : Part I - Part II - Part III - Post scriptum / end (incl. eDay 2011 show report pt.1/2)
1/72 - Airfix, Trumpeter and AML - Curtiss Hawk 81 : Part I
1/72 - AGA - Polikarpov I-3 : Part I - Part II - Part III - Part IV - Part V
1/72 - KP - MiG-15 UTI : Part I - Part II (incl. Pilsenkit 2011 show report pt.2/2) - Part III - Part IV - Part V /end (incl. eDay 2011 show report pt. 2/2)

Just like the perfect woman doesn't exist, I will never build a perfect model.
Puts me on a par with God
I've tried a bit of PE and was the worse for wear over it. But, Wow, that instrument panel alone would be worth a lot of hassle! I'm really enjoying your P-40 trilogy.

Stuart
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October 12th, 2011, 2:04 am #5

Greetings

Last week I started the new Airfix P-40 on the Airfix forum



I had decided to built it together with the Trumpeter and one of the AML P-40 kits



Pretty soon I realized I had to spend a lot more time on the AML kit

I had never worked with a PE and resin interior before



I decided to try it - and post it here since it's low on Airfix content

First : figuring out what to do with the PE instrument panel and pedals



It takes some ingenuity to bend the pieces into shape



After a few minutes :



Cutting the seat from the casting block



It sure is the most detailed interior of the three kits



Painting with interior green was easy



I had read many horror stories about resin side panels being too thick

So I dremeled down the interior fuselage sides



A test run with Maskol - offering me an easy way out when things go legs up



It was not a good fit - and I learned I could cut off some of the "out of view" resin corners for a better fit



Much better



Well... what did we expect ?

The PE instrument panel was too wide - and didn't fit



I decided to drill "slots" in the resin side panel parts - these locations were mainly out of view anyway



Fit was better

Time for the instruments - first time I got to play with such a pre printed "film"



WOW !

I need to play more with instrument films !



The tail wheel "well" (also!) needed to be thinned down for a good fit



I added some evergreen rods along the fuselage joins - for easier fit



I first glued the rear fuselage together



Then I trapped the instrument panel between the fuselages in the slots I had made in the resin side panels



Then I glued the front ends together



Almost straight and good enough



I still had to add the gun handles (parts PUR,11)

They were too long (intended to go past the instrument panel)



I cut the rear parts off - since there was no room for it - and it was out of view anyway



And glued these in place

I also had to narrow down the pedal PE piece by cutting of the tiny side parts



Pedals ready



Then I glued the cockpit tub in place with Maskol - good stuff to keep things in place



All this work took me 3 evening - to get to this point

It sure looks nice - though next time I will thin down the resin side panels as well

And heck, I still have to paint the gun handles



All 3 kits are now ready for wings

Left to right, Airfix, Trumpeter and AML



I realize PE and resin parts are a bit "frowned upon" - but these parts were included in the kit, so I wanted to try them

They do add to a more detailled look, though it demands some work - but I'm pleased with it though I wish I had sanded down the resin side panels too... ah well, next time

Thank you for your attention for one of my most boring posts so far



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William De Coster / Belgium / past builds on HS : Plastic Stories

1/72 - Airfix - Spitfre PR.XIX : Part I (incl Flying Legends 2011 show report) - Part II - Part III - Part IV (incl. Pilsenkit 2011 show report pt.1/2)
1/72 - Airfix - Me-262 : Part I - Part II - Part III - Post scriptum / end (incl. eDay 2011 show report pt.1/2)
1/72 - Airfix, Trumpeter and AML - Curtiss Hawk 81 : Part I
1/72 - AGA - Polikarpov I-3 : Part I - Part II - Part III - Part IV - Part V
1/72 - KP - MiG-15 UTI : Part I - Part II (incl. Pilsenkit 2011 show report pt.2/2) - Part III - Part IV - Part V /end (incl. eDay 2011 show report pt. 2/2)

Just like the perfect woman doesn't exist, I will never build a perfect model.
Puts me on a par with God
Resin and photo-etch parts are nothing to be afraid of. You're adapting well to their eccentric nature! You're on the right track - fit problems with these parts are par for the course. Careful with that resin sanding dust though; I understand it's highly toxic. I keep my distance from it and carefully vacuum my workbench and floor afterwrds. Careful with that too - I've vacuumed away a few photo etch parts in my day! Very cool little production line you've got going there!
Best...Ted...
PS - love that little Mig15 UTI!!!!

Current Build:
Mad About Migs Pt. 1; Mad About Migs Pt. 2; Mad About Migs Pt. 3; Mad About Migs Pt. 4

Tall Tales:
Kanal Kampf: A Spitfire Story
Cold War Incident
The Lucky Mig

Previous WIP Builds:
Matilda Makeover Pt.1; Matilda Makeover Pt.2; Matilda Makeover Pt.3; Matilda Makeover Finish;

The Big Spit Pt.1; The Big Spit Pt.2; The Big Spit Pt.3; The Big Spit Pt.4; The Big Spit Pt.5; The Big Spit Pt.6;
The Big Spit Pt.7; The Big Spit Pt.8; The Big Spit Pt.9; The Big Spit Pt.10; The Big Spit Pt.11; The Big Spit Finish;

Me109 Pt.1; Me109 Pt.2; Me109 Pt.3; Me109 Finish;

Vickers Tank Pt.1; Vickers Tank Pt.2; Vickers Tank Pt.3; Vickers Tank Pt.4; Vickers Tank Pt.5; Vickers Tank Pt.6; Vickers Tank Finish;

Connies Pt.1; Connies Pt.2; Connies Pt.3; Connies Pt.4; Connies Pt.5; Connies Pt.6; Connies Pt.7; Connies Finish

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Joined: December 24th, 2005, 1:07 pm

October 12th, 2011, 6:49 pm #6

That looks just fine. It's an amazing amount of work but looking really nice.

Great post too, as usual. It's fun to see them built together.

Can't wait to get my Airfix example!!!!!!!!!!

Regards,

Dan From Tacoma, Washington USA
I spend 3 evenings over this - I could have made a nice progress with my new Airfix P-40 in the same time

And now it's all buttoned up - and you almost don't see anything of it anymore. If I build any of the other AML kits, I'm considering of just using the cockpit floor and seat with belts... much quicker and just as adequate

Thanks for the support Dan

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William De Coster / Belgium / past builds on HS : Plastic Stories

1/72 - Airfix - Spitfre PR.XIX : Part I (incl Flying Legends 2011 show report) - Part II - Part III - Part IV (incl. Pilsenkit 2011 show report pt.1/2)
1/72 - Airfix - Me-262 : Part I - Part II - Part III - Post scriptum / end (incl. eDay 2011 show report pt.1/2)
1/72 - Airfix, Trumpeter and AML - Curtiss Hawk 81 : Part I - Part II
1/72 - AGA - Polikarpov I-3 : Part I - Part II - Part III - Part IV - Part V
1/72 - KP - MiG-15 UTI : Part I - Part II (incl. Pilsenkit 2011 show report pt.2/2) - Part III - Part IV - Part V /end (incl. eDay 2011 show report pt. 2/2)

Just like the perfect woman doesn't exist, I will never build a perfect model.
Puts me on a par with God
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Joined: December 24th, 2005, 1:07 pm

October 12th, 2011, 6:52 pm #7

- you can't be serious?

Your descripion of your work illustrates a problem frequently encountered with a lot of the short run kits with PE and resin bits. I'm sure the instrument panel and the pedal assembly are true to scale. But of course the fuselage thickness is not and with those resin sidewalls it gets even worse. But it is a classic problem: Do you want parts true to scale or do you want parts that fit?

You have done a fine job with the AML kit. Will follow your progress with great interest!

PE and resin parts are not frowned upon, in my opinion. And nothing beats a good film for the instruments. Eduard should have received a modeller's Nobel prize for inventing that!
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You couldn't have said it any better Claus

I thought I was clever by thinning the fuselage sides well in advance, while I forgot to bring the resin side wall parts into the equation

Ah well, next time...

I agree on the noble prize for Eduard for those instrument films !

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William De Coster / Belgium / past builds on HS : Plastic Stories

1/72 - Airfix - Spitfre PR.XIX : Part I (incl Flying Legends 2011 show report) - Part II - Part III - Part IV (incl. Pilsenkit 2011 show report pt.1/2)
1/72 - Airfix - Me-262 : Part I - Part II - Part III - Post scriptum / end (incl. eDay 2011 show report pt.1/2)
1/72 - Airfix, Trumpeter and AML - Curtiss Hawk 81 : Part I - Part II
1/72 - AGA - Polikarpov I-3 : Part I - Part II - Part III - Part IV - Part V
1/72 - KP - MiG-15 UTI : Part I - Part II (incl. Pilsenkit 2011 show report pt.2/2) - Part III - Part IV - Part V /end (incl. eDay 2011 show report pt. 2/2)

Just like the perfect woman doesn't exist, I will never build a perfect model.
Puts me on a par with God
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Joined: December 24th, 2005, 1:07 pm

October 12th, 2011, 6:55 pm #8

I've tried a bit of PE and was the worse for wear over it. But, Wow, that instrument panel alone would be worth a lot of hassle! I'm really enjoying your P-40 trilogy.

Stuart
And put the instrument panel on it - next to the model - it's almost a shame to put it inside were you can only see it at a certain difficult to find angle

Mind you, I used a bit too much clearfix in the middle, and the centre dials look a bit frosty - next time I will try to be less royal with the glue

Thanks for hopping in Stuart, appreciated


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William De Coster / Belgium / past builds on HS : Plastic Stories

1/72 - Airfix - Spitfre PR.XIX : Part I (incl Flying Legends 2011 show report) - Part II - Part III - Part IV (incl. Pilsenkit 2011 show report pt.1/2)
1/72 - Airfix - Me-262 : Part I - Part II - Part III - Post scriptum / end (incl. eDay 2011 show report pt.1/2)
1/72 - Airfix, Trumpeter and AML - Curtiss Hawk 81 : Part I - Part II
1/72 - AGA - Polikarpov I-3 : Part I - Part II - Part III - Part IV - Part V
1/72 - KP - MiG-15 UTI : Part I - Part II (incl. Pilsenkit 2011 show report pt.2/2) - Part III - Part IV - Part V /end (incl. eDay 2011 show report pt. 2/2)

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Joined: December 24th, 2005, 1:07 pm

October 12th, 2011, 7:01 pm #9

Resin and photo-etch parts are nothing to be afraid of. You're adapting well to their eccentric nature! You're on the right track - fit problems with these parts are par for the course. Careful with that resin sanding dust though; I understand it's highly toxic. I keep my distance from it and carefully vacuum my workbench and floor afterwrds. Careful with that too - I've vacuumed away a few photo etch parts in my day! Very cool little production line you've got going there!
Best...Ted...
PS - love that little Mig15 UTI!!!!

Current Build:
Mad About Migs Pt. 1; Mad About Migs Pt. 2; Mad About Migs Pt. 3; Mad About Migs Pt. 4

Tall Tales:
Kanal Kampf: A Spitfire Story
Cold War Incident
The Lucky Mig

Previous WIP Builds:
Matilda Makeover Pt.1; Matilda Makeover Pt.2; Matilda Makeover Pt.3; Matilda Makeover Finish;

The Big Spit Pt.1; The Big Spit Pt.2; The Big Spit Pt.3; The Big Spit Pt.4; The Big Spit Pt.5; The Big Spit Pt.6;
The Big Spit Pt.7; The Big Spit Pt.8; The Big Spit Pt.9; The Big Spit Pt.10; The Big Spit Pt.11; The Big Spit Finish;

Me109 Pt.1; Me109 Pt.2; Me109 Pt.3; Me109 Finish;

Vickers Tank Pt.1; Vickers Tank Pt.2; Vickers Tank Pt.3; Vickers Tank Pt.4; Vickers Tank Pt.5; Vickers Tank Pt.6; Vickers Tank Finish;

Connies Pt.1; Connies Pt.2; Connies Pt.3; Connies Pt.4; Connies Pt.5; Connies Pt.6; Connies Pt.7; Connies Finish
The things you need as a modeller - it never ceases to amaze me

You are dead right about the resin - while working on complete resin kits I either cut the parts outside on the veranda, or use a mask - though for the smaller parts on this kit I didn't bother... and of course I got sick - a nasty cold - not sure if there is a relation, but next time I wear a mask again - better save then sorry

Thanks for the tips Ted, appreciated



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William De Coster / Belgium / past builds on HS : Plastic Stories

1/72 - Airfix - Spitfre PR.XIX : Part I (incl Flying Legends 2011 show report) - Part II - Part III - Part IV (incl. Pilsenkit 2011 show report pt.1/2)
1/72 - Airfix - Me-262 : Part I - Part II - Part III - Post scriptum / end (incl. eDay 2011 show report pt.1/2)
1/72 - Airfix, Trumpeter and AML - Curtiss Hawk 81 : Part I - Part II
1/72 - AGA - Polikarpov I-3 : Part I - Part II - Part III - Part IV - Part V
1/72 - KP - MiG-15 UTI : Part I - Part II (incl. Pilsenkit 2011 show report pt.2/2) - Part III - Part IV - Part V /end (incl. eDay 2011 show report pt. 2/2)

Just like the perfect woman doesn't exist, I will never build a perfect model.
Puts me on a par with God
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