Erickson Aircraft Collection Bf-109G-10 soon to take flight ...

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Erickson Aircraft Collection Bf-109G-10 soon to take flight ...

Joined: March 23rd, 2014, 5:41 pm

March 20th, 2017, 1:12 am #1

This is a post from John Terrell over on the WIX forum. Some of you may find it interesting.

"For those that don't go on Facebook, here is a video just posted by the Erickson Aircraft Collection of their '109, now completed and undergoing initial engine runs:

The direct link to the Bf-109 won't load properly so just click on the video you see of the 109.

https://www.facebook.com/pg/eacmadras/v ... e_internal

As posted earlier in this thread, the airframe itself is from a Buchon, but it has been modified to the appearance of a Bf-109G-10, with the G-10 type tail and late "Galland canopy", and a very authentic cockpit. Incredibly ingenious, the aircraft is fitted with an Allison V-1710 engine (cheaper and easier to operate in the long run, than a DB605), which is mounted and configured in such a way that the look of the aircraft remains stock Bf-109G, with the exhaust routed out the same locations as a stock DB605 installation, the same thrust-line/prop mounting location as the DB605 installation, and with the cowlings remaining stock - when all buttoned-up, one won't know that it has anything other than a DB605 under the hood, save for a bit of difference in sound. As seen, the aircraft is painted in the colorful markings of Herman Graf."

So I'm assuming it's going to look like the artwork in the link? What a beauty.

http://www.hyperscale.com/2010/gallerie ... rkyn_1.htm
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March 20th, 2017, 2:11 am #2

... but other than Graf's G-6 I only know of a K-4 that carried the red tulip. Personally, I'd have rather seen this one painted up like Hunsdorfer's "Lumpi" or something.
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March 20th, 2017, 11:11 am #3

The owner is the same guy who bought "Chuckie", added an 80s-era Miami Vice style airbrushed model on the front and slapped his own initials on it rather than use any of the proper squadron codes from the 381st BG which the aircraft is ostensibly painted to represent. So suffice it to say that historical accuracy isn't exactly at the top of the owner's list.

However, that should in no way detract from the absolutely superb quality of the engineering work performed to mount the Allison 1710 into this Buchon, and the fit and finish of the airframe work. The restorers are contractually obligated to honor the request of the actual owner, so that's what they did.

I'm most interested to hear how it performs with the Allison; that's a unique solution to achieving the prototypical look of the wartime 109 without the expense of finding, restoring, and maintaining an original DB 605. If this works well, I would expect other Buchon owners to at least start considering it.

Cheers,

Lynn
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March 20th, 2017, 2:36 pm #4

we buy a small piece of plastic and try to make it as real as possible We're such losers! From now on all my 190s will have GM or MG on them!
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March 20th, 2017, 3:04 pm #5

This is a post from John Terrell over on the WIX forum. Some of you may find it interesting.

"For those that don't go on Facebook, here is a video just posted by the Erickson Aircraft Collection of their '109, now completed and undergoing initial engine runs:

The direct link to the Bf-109 won't load properly so just click on the video you see of the 109.

https://www.facebook.com/pg/eacmadras/v ... e_internal

As posted earlier in this thread, the airframe itself is from a Buchon, but it has been modified to the appearance of a Bf-109G-10, with the G-10 type tail and late "Galland canopy", and a very authentic cockpit. Incredibly ingenious, the aircraft is fitted with an Allison V-1710 engine (cheaper and easier to operate in the long run, than a DB605), which is mounted and configured in such a way that the look of the aircraft remains stock Bf-109G, with the exhaust routed out the same locations as a stock DB605 installation, the same thrust-line/prop mounting location as the DB605 installation, and with the cowlings remaining stock - when all buttoned-up, one won't know that it has anything other than a DB605 under the hood, save for a bit of difference in sound. As seen, the aircraft is painted in the colorful markings of Herman Graf."

So I'm assuming it's going to look like the artwork in the link? What a beauty.

http://www.hyperscale.com/2010/gallerie ... rkyn_1.htm
Here's to hoping they install rocket tubes. n/t
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March 20th, 2017, 4:41 pm #6

The owner is the same guy who bought "Chuckie", added an 80s-era Miami Vice style airbrushed model on the front and slapped his own initials on it rather than use any of the proper squadron codes from the 381st BG which the aircraft is ostensibly painted to represent. So suffice it to say that historical accuracy isn't exactly at the top of the owner's list.

However, that should in no way detract from the absolutely superb quality of the engineering work performed to mount the Allison 1710 into this Buchon, and the fit and finish of the airframe work. The restorers are contractually obligated to honor the request of the actual owner, so that's what they did.

I'm most interested to hear how it performs with the Allison; that's a unique solution to achieving the prototypical look of the wartime 109 without the expense of finding, restoring, and maintaining an original DB 605. If this works well, I would expect other Buchon owners to at least start considering it.

Cheers,

Lynn
... but those among us who've heard the roar of a real Daimler Benz 600 series engine will know the difference. It'll be awesome to see another G-10 in flight even with an Allison, even if it might just as well be marked in a Hello Kitty scheme.
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March 20th, 2017, 5:45 pm #7

1. As Lynn may know, I offered support to the Erickson group/management/ownership quite a while back regarding their choice of paint scheme and it's reasonable attempt at authenticity. I was turned down and that's fine. (it's their airplane to do as they wish), but they were still open to accept donations. This changed to a conflict of interest for me. So off I went in my own direction to mind my own affairs with a big "best of luck" to the Erickson folks. Of which I sincerely mean't every bit of it.

2. #1 being said, there's always the chance they'll reconsider and accept an offer to apply a more authentic paint scheme to their HelloKittyschmitt. All it takes is an interest from someone willing to fork out some $$$ (a lot of it) and some persistence. .... but, even with deep pockets and a willingness to donate to someone else's toys, I wouldn't hold your breathe.

For those of us who greatly appreciate a warbird owner who goes the extra mile to not only spend un-Godly amounts of $$$ to restore these old airplanes to flying condition, but to actually go a bit farther to apply an accurate and/or authentic to the airframe dataplate paint scheme. These are the owners who have the utmost admiration and respect from the true enthusiasts. But unfortunately we are few and even more unfortunate they are fewer.

If I ever find myself annoyed that a particular warbird is not completely authentic to my standards, I always try to balance that annoyance with equal appreciation that someone would be willing to spend large sums of time and money to get the airplane to the state it is in, so that I have the opportunity to be able to critique it.

Seems similar in the modeling community as well.
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March 20th, 2017, 9:51 pm #8

This is a post from John Terrell over on the WIX forum. Some of you may find it interesting.

"For those that don't go on Facebook, here is a video just posted by the Erickson Aircraft Collection of their '109, now completed and undergoing initial engine runs:

The direct link to the Bf-109 won't load properly so just click on the video you see of the 109.

https://www.facebook.com/pg/eacmadras/v ... e_internal

As posted earlier in this thread, the airframe itself is from a Buchon, but it has been modified to the appearance of a Bf-109G-10, with the G-10 type tail and late "Galland canopy", and a very authentic cockpit. Incredibly ingenious, the aircraft is fitted with an Allison V-1710 engine (cheaper and easier to operate in the long run, than a DB605), which is mounted and configured in such a way that the look of the aircraft remains stock Bf-109G, with the exhaust routed out the same locations as a stock DB605 installation, the same thrust-line/prop mounting location as the DB605 installation, and with the cowlings remaining stock - when all buttoned-up, one won't know that it has anything other than a DB605 under the hood, save for a bit of difference in sound. As seen, the aircraft is painted in the colorful markings of Herman Graf."

So I'm assuming it's going to look like the artwork in the link? What a beauty.

http://www.hyperscale.com/2010/gallerie ... rkyn_1.htm
in size and configuration to the DB 601/605 engines if mounted inverted (would require an inverted oil system). I'd be curious to see how they fit it into the Bf 109G-10 cowling without going inverted, or how they went inverted. A successful conversion to the Allison to run inverted as the "normal" operation would open up to restoring original airframes or building replicas of all the inverted V-12 designs used in WW2 - German, Italian, and Japanese.
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March 20th, 2017, 10:01 pm #9

It works for the Bf 109G, but I'd guess the MC 202/205 is a bit tighter cowled - still could use an inverted Allison, but this will get the bird back in the air. The DB sound is distinctive, true, but I'd bet some research could determine how to reproduce that sound in some way.
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Joined: January 27th, 2004, 5:18 pm

March 21st, 2017, 2:05 am #10

1. As Lynn may know, I offered support to the Erickson group/management/ownership quite a while back regarding their choice of paint scheme and it's reasonable attempt at authenticity. I was turned down and that's fine. (it's their airplane to do as they wish), but they were still open to accept donations. This changed to a conflict of interest for me. So off I went in my own direction to mind my own affairs with a big "best of luck" to the Erickson folks. Of which I sincerely mean't every bit of it.

2. #1 being said, there's always the chance they'll reconsider and accept an offer to apply a more authentic paint scheme to their HelloKittyschmitt. All it takes is an interest from someone willing to fork out some $$$ (a lot of it) and some persistence. .... but, even with deep pockets and a willingness to donate to someone else's toys, I wouldn't hold your breathe.

For those of us who greatly appreciate a warbird owner who goes the extra mile to not only spend un-Godly amounts of $$$ to restore these old airplanes to flying condition, but to actually go a bit farther to apply an accurate and/or authentic to the airframe dataplate paint scheme. These are the owners who have the utmost admiration and respect from the true enthusiasts. But unfortunately we are few and even more unfortunate they are fewer.

If I ever find myself annoyed that a particular warbird is not completely authentic to my standards, I always try to balance that annoyance with equal appreciation that someone would be willing to spend large sums of time and money to get the airplane to the state it is in, so that I have the opportunity to be able to critique it.

Seems similar in the modeling community as well.
My issue has always been not with the nose art (cheesy though it is)... it's that he owns one of 12 flying B-17s in the world, an aircraft which is not some mere run of the mill Piper Cub. It is one of the most iconic artifacts from the most significant conflict in history, an airframe in which tens of thousands of our best and brightest shed their blood and gave their lives, and if he's going to go to the effort of putting the 381st's Triangle L and group colors on the tail, the least he can do is properly represent one of the squadrons of that group.

But anyways... rant mode off...

Cheers,

Lynn
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