Any "roll-your-own" cigarette smokers here? New law taxes RYO machine cigs...

Any "roll-your-own" cigarette smokers here? New law taxes RYO machine cigs...

Joined: April 4th, 2006, 7:00 pm

July 6th, 2012, 7:13 pm #1

...the same as manufactured cigarettes. Interesting progression: Cigarette tobacco taxes were hiked by the Feds, but pipe tobacco wasn't, so the 'roll-your-own' stores popped up with folks buying pipe tobacco and rolling their own with machines supplied by the stores. The new law backed by cigarette companies shuts this down by taxing RYO cigarettes the same as manufactured cigarettes and by requiring the stores to get licenses to operate the machines.

I don't smoke, so I wasn't in the know about the 'roll-your-own' machines.

http://www.lvrj.com/business/roll-your- ... omments=15


http://www.suntimes.com/business/135892 ... smoke.html

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On Friday, President Barack Obama is expected to sign into law a federal highway bill with a section that redefines tobacco manufacturers to include any business with a roll-your-own cigarette machine and taxes those products at the same rate as packaged smokes.




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July 6th, 2012, 7:51 pm #2

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July 6th, 2012, 7:53 pm #3

...the same as manufactured cigarettes. Interesting progression: Cigarette tobacco taxes were hiked by the Feds, but pipe tobacco wasn't, so the 'roll-your-own' stores popped up with folks buying pipe tobacco and rolling their own with machines supplied by the stores. The new law backed by cigarette companies shuts this down by taxing RYO cigarettes the same as manufactured cigarettes and by requiring the stores to get licenses to operate the machines.

I don't smoke, so I wasn't in the know about the 'roll-your-own' machines.

http://www.lvrj.com/business/roll-your- ... omments=15


http://www.suntimes.com/business/135892 ... smoke.html

Excerpt:

On Friday, President Barack Obama is expected to sign into law a federal highway bill with a section that redefines tobacco manufacturers to include any business with a roll-your-own cigarette machine and taxes those products at the same rate as packaged smokes.



all smokers do is raise my health care premiums or taxes if they are uninsured. If they are going to smoke, let them pay for all the consequences.

If they are gun owners I'd rather they put the end of the barrel in their mouth and pull the trigger. Save a lot of future expense and aggravation.





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July 6th, 2012, 7:53 pm #4

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Ive realized that most people ... tend not to be direct when they feel something is shoddy because they want to be liked, "which is actually a vain trait".
[Walter Isaacson's (author of Steve Jobs) recounting of his interview with Jony Ive, Chief Designer at Apple @ page p. 461]



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July 6th, 2012, 8:15 pm #5

all smokers do is raise my health care premiums or taxes if they are uninsured. If they are going to smoke, let them pay for all the consequences.

If they are gun owners I'd rather they put the end of the barrel in their mouth and pull the trigger. Save a lot of future expense and aggravation.





There is no such thing as an unbuildable kit, just some kits one may consider not worth building.

Ive realized that most people ... tend not to be direct when they feel something is shoddy because they want to be liked, "which is actually a vain trait".
[Walter Isaacson's (author of Steve Jobs) recounting of his interview with Jony Ive, Chief Designer at Apple @ page p. 461]



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...in the long-run because they don't incur the expensive end-of-life heroics. Just a thought: I don't really know. I tend to side with you that tocacco use costs all of us more, like obesity.

Cheers,

Lee G.

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July 6th, 2012, 8:29 pm #6

And also that athletes also impose a higher burden on healthcare with sports related injuries and follow-on care.



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July 6th, 2012, 8:37 pm #7

so she can get health insurance for her retired pro-athlete husband. As an aside she hates Obama care and I find that a bit strange since of course a lot of their problems had to do with preexisting conditions and other things that were addressed by that. She hates her job and her insurance (she lets you know that her job is well beneath her and she also feels her fellow workers are pond scum) but she has been there for 14 years and she says it is just for the insurance.
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July 6th, 2012, 8:37 pm #8

all smokers do is raise my health care premiums or taxes if they are uninsured. If they are going to smoke, let them pay for all the consequences.

If they are gun owners I'd rather they put the end of the barrel in their mouth and pull the trigger. Save a lot of future expense and aggravation.





There is no such thing as an unbuildable kit, just some kits one may consider not worth building.

Ive realized that most people ... tend not to be direct when they feel something is shoddy because they want to be liked, "which is actually a vain trait".
[Walter Isaacson's (author of Steve Jobs) recounting of his interview with Jony Ive, Chief Designer at Apple @ page p. 461]



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doesn't make it wrong, illegal, or taxable to the max. I don't like green peas, chicken gizzards, or avocados so that gives me the right to tax them, shoot those that like them, or ban them completely? It must be nice to have that much power over a legal personal choice of others.

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July 6th, 2012, 8:38 pm #9

And also that athletes also impose a higher burden on healthcare with sports related injuries and follow-on care.



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July 6th, 2012, 8:38 pm #10

...in the long-run because they don't incur the expensive end-of-life heroics. Just a thought: I don't really know. I tend to side with you that tocacco use costs all of us more, like obesity.

Cheers,

Lee G.
they don't charge old cancer, emphysema or other illness patients any more than they do younger ones. Secondly smoking deaths usually come late in life anyway. That's my $.02 worth of thoughts on the subject. I'd also add that cost isn't the only issue. Would be more helpful if you cited a source or statistics instead of "well that's what I heard". This time though (for once) I'm not ragging you, I honestly think that's likely to be skewed analysis. cheers, LL

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