A Few Newbie Questions?

A Few Newbie Questions?

uptrainfan08
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Joined: 11 Oct 2017, 20:03

12 Oct 2017, 01:22 #1

Hey guys, I've lurked around here a bit drooling over all the neat stuff made with Bruce's molds. For the past few years I've mostly just messed with paper models and paper minis (world works games, fat dragon, one monk, etc.) But after picking up a huge collection of Descent 1st Edition (doubles of some) and the 2nd edition hero monster sets just for the new looking versions of 1st edition minis, I decided to upgrade my table top sessions and make some more sturdy terrain too. I know there is a couple molds geared towards 1st Edition Descent but I really liked the look of the fieldstone for dungeons so I just ordered these sets to make some tiles to use with Descent and even D&D:

Unique Inn Accessories Mold #59
Fieldstone Wall Mold #70
Fieldstone Accessories Mold #71
Dragon's Teeth Accessory Mold #80
Cavern Accessory Mold #85
Flagstone Floor Tile Mold #260

Hopefully this is a good start to make a wide mix of dungeon tiles with?

After doing a bit of research I plan on using Merlins Magic (white or light gray) shipping here isn't bad for it, also using the scraping method with it, and the Almores debubblizer, also making a pound board (might upgrade to a vibrating table later) and using wood glue to put it all together.

I do have a couple basic questions that I'm sure have been answered on here multiple times somewhere but I can't seem to find lol.

1st what would a good (not expensive) mounting material be? Ive seen mention of polystyrene especially for making water ways and such (I don't think I'll tackle that for a while) and other materials like foamcore. Out of curiosity would something like poster board be too thin?

2nd is light dusting of clear Krylon Matte or Dullcoat a decent choice for sealing after painting?

3rd storing Molds? I've seen mention of corn starch and talc (baby powder) is one preferred over the other? Also after powdered what's good way to store them? Would a sealed organizer work?

Thanks in advance for the advice guys! :)
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Galileo
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Joined: 02 Jun 2005, 19:26

12 Oct 2017, 01:54 #2

Posterboard will not hold up and will provide no support if you want to move stuff.  You can get hardboard fairly inexpensively (it's the board they make clipboards out of) - though most here use MDF (medium density fiberboard). It's cheap and easy to cut and won't warp when you glue to it.  I have a couple of builds without any basing material, just the floor tiles. I put a thin layer of crafting felt on the bottom to keep it from scratching the table.

Now me? I use CDs because I like the challenge of building to fit it and be useful.  I do have some MDF here for larger things (or plywood even).

Seal with gloss first. Gloss will protect your paint better. Then Matte or Dull over the gloss.

Sealed organizer is what many use.  I just put mine on a shelf (stacked only 2 molds high) without any powder or anything.  Never had a problem.  When I moved and had to put everything into storage for 2+ years, I made a cast of every mold, let them dry completely, and did not demold. Then put a layer of wax paper between each mold and boxed em up.  They are still in perfectly good shape.
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uptrainfan08
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12 Oct 2017, 02:29 #3

I'll definitely use a thicker mounting material for sure then. Actually I have a Menards, Wal-Mart, and Hobby Lobby with in 15min so finding material shouldn't be too bad lol.

I'll have to give that a try with the gloss then the Matte/Dullcoat, I definitely want the paint job to be protected (just not too expensive of a sealer lol). Out of curiosity will the same method work with minis? I've heard rumors of the dreaded frosting with some sealers.

Lol I'm glad I don't plan on moving, actually just bought a house beginning of the year, but I do happen to have a couple organizers that would work perfect for 2 high.
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Roga Danar
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12 Oct 2017, 07:22 #4

I use 1/8" hardboard for my projects because as Galileo says it is easy to cut and won't warp when you glue it.  The disadvantage is that you cannot make more 3D projects with it (pits and such).  I've had bad luck with ply warping over time.  Some people in the forum don't use any backing at all, but I don't trust myself to handle it carefully enough for that. 

I am a huge fan of Testor's Dullcote.  It is the only matte spray that I have tried that is truly matte and won't frost if used properly.  I've never done a cost analysis compared to other sprays, but I like the results so much I don't care.  Definitely seal the work if they will be handled much, especially mini's.

I store with a piece of wax paper between the molds.  I have been told that temperature is the most important factor, but I'll let someone else with more experience speak to that. 

I am fairly new to the hobby too and I think the most important thing to do is try a few small pieces and see what works for you and the projects that you want to do.  Everybody has different tastes, so you just have to find out what you like. Lots of cool projects in the archives of this forum and I still spend time going over some posts multiple times just to figure out how they did stuff.  Hope this helps. 
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tebrown
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Joined: 01 Nov 2011, 13:46

12 Oct 2017, 11:29 #5

Welcome to the Hobby!  Please feel free to ask questions!  We are here to help*.

I have used cereal box material, 3/16" foam board, 1/2" and 1" pink/blue insulation, 1/4" cork material, felt, and 1/4" MDF.  Find something that works for you with cost and support in mind.

For pieces that will get a significant amount of handling, I usually spray two or three coats of Krylon Satin Finish Sealer and then a coat or two of Testor's Dullcoat to knock off the shine from the Krylon.  The satin or gloss finish is much stronger than a matt finish.

I built a storage shelf to hold my molds.  Some are stacked 6 or 7 high with no appreciable difference in the last 6 years.  Some molds I probably haven't cast in two years.  If I have recently washed the molds, I will use baby powder on them for storage.  However, I usually only wash the molds when I have been partially casting and the empty slots are starting to build a residue from overflow.  The residual "powder" left on the molds keeps them from sticking together and hasn't affected the molds.


*Help:  How we do things, which may differ in materials, time, or technique, are what we have found works for us.  Collectively, people swear by the scrape method, the plexiglass method, and other methods as well.  Only because it works for them.  Please use our knowledge to develop experiments to find a good solution for you.
Basic/Gothic: 40, 41, 42, 43, 44, 45, 46, 50, 51, 52, 53, 54, 55, 56, 57, 58, 59, 60, 61, 62, 63, 64, 65, 66, 200, 250
Fieldstone: 70, 71, 72, 73, 74, 75, 76, 77, 78, 79, 701
Buildings: 224, 225, 226, 227, 251, 252, 253, 343, 344
Rubble: 259, 262, 263
Cavern: 80, 81, 82, 83, 84, 85, 281, 282
Egyptian: 90,92, 93, 94, 95, 96, 97, 98, 99, 290, 291, 292, 295
Sci-Fi: 271, 272, 273, 274, 276, 277, 278, 279, 280, 300, 301, 302, 303, 311, 320, 321, 325, 326, 327, 328, 329, 330, 331, 421, 422, 423, 424
Floor and Roof Molds: 87, 201, 202, 203, 205, 206, 207, 208, 210, 211, 212, 220, 221, 222, 223, 230, 235, 240, 245, 260, 264, 265, 267, 268, 269
Hex Molds: 180

total molds =   128       
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uptrainfan08
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12 Oct 2017, 13:38 #6

Thanks, I'm definitely excited that I can finally upgrade my favorite hobby, I've been wanting some nice minis and Hirst Arts molds for some time, now that I got good minis I felt it was time for some molds for some nice terrain lol.

Definitely gonna give a light dusting of the gloss then matte a go, sounds like it will protect more and only cost a couple bucks more for another can. Does this method work for minis too? I thaught about painting some Descent minis after I get some terrain made and painted?

Also I'll do some pricing on MDF, sounds like it would be right along the lines of what I'd wanna use.

Edit: I also forgot I was gonna ask what a rough guess would be on how many cast about 20-25lbs of Merlins Magic would do? I'm guessing this question might be a little tougher since every mold is different lol.
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tebrown
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Joined: 01 Nov 2011, 13:46

12 Oct 2017, 18:55 #7

At one point in time, I was a little OCD with the hobby.  Using a gram scale, I determined over a series of casts, that it takes roughly 184 grams of material to slightly* overfill the mold.  My average mix ratio was 287 grams of water to 793 grams of Excalibur.  Which leads to an average weight of Excalibur of 135 grams.

With 20 lbs of Merlins (1 kg = 2.2 lbs, so 9.091 kgs), you could theoretically get ~66 casts with some leftover. 

*slightly is a very subjective term... as my weights varied from 178 g to 197 g.
Basic/Gothic: 40, 41, 42, 43, 44, 45, 46, 50, 51, 52, 53, 54, 55, 56, 57, 58, 59, 60, 61, 62, 63, 64, 65, 66, 200, 250
Fieldstone: 70, 71, 72, 73, 74, 75, 76, 77, 78, 79, 701
Buildings: 224, 225, 226, 227, 251, 252, 253, 343, 344
Rubble: 259, 262, 263
Cavern: 80, 81, 82, 83, 84, 85, 281, 282
Egyptian: 90,92, 93, 94, 95, 96, 97, 98, 99, 290, 291, 292, 295
Sci-Fi: 271, 272, 273, 274, 276, 277, 278, 279, 280, 300, 301, 302, 303, 311, 320, 321, 325, 326, 327, 328, 329, 330, 331, 421, 422, 423, 424
Floor and Roof Molds: 87, 201, 202, 203, 205, 206, 207, 208, 210, 211, 212, 220, 221, 222, 223, 230, 235, 240, 245, 260, 264, 265, 267, 268, 269
Hex Molds: 180

total molds =   128       
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uptrainfan08
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12 Oct 2017, 19:08 #8

Hey thanks for the break down, it definitely helps and also gives me sort of a rough idea of what I'm looking at for pounds of Merlins to amount of cast.
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tebrown
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Joined: 01 Nov 2011, 13:46

12 Oct 2017, 20:03 #9

sorry, left out that this was mold 40...  Mold 84 was 161 grams and mold 221 was 68 grams...

Different molds require different quantities of material.
Basic/Gothic: 40, 41, 42, 43, 44, 45, 46, 50, 51, 52, 53, 54, 55, 56, 57, 58, 59, 60, 61, 62, 63, 64, 65, 66, 200, 250
Fieldstone: 70, 71, 72, 73, 74, 75, 76, 77, 78, 79, 701
Buildings: 224, 225, 226, 227, 251, 252, 253, 343, 344
Rubble: 259, 262, 263
Cavern: 80, 81, 82, 83, 84, 85, 281, 282
Egyptian: 90,92, 93, 94, 95, 96, 97, 98, 99, 290, 291, 292, 295
Sci-Fi: 271, 272, 273, 274, 276, 277, 278, 279, 280, 300, 301, 302, 303, 311, 320, 321, 325, 326, 327, 328, 329, 330, 331, 421, 422, 423, 424
Floor and Roof Molds: 87, 201, 202, 203, 205, 206, 207, 208, 210, 211, 212, 220, 221, 222, 223, 230, 235, 240, 245, 260, 264, 265, 267, 268, 269
Hex Molds: 180

total molds =   128       
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uptrainfan08
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12 Oct 2017, 20:26 #10

tebrown wrote: sorry, left out that this was mold 40...  Mold 84 was 161 grams and mold 221 was 68 grams...

Different molds require different quantities of material.
No worries, I figured there would be a little variation between different molds lol. I may just order a few pounds more MM than I was thinking just to have more, wouldn't hurt anyways lol. I know once I get to casting I won't wanna stop! :)
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