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But that's exactly what I said, that House constantly makes sex jokes and inappropriate comments. My point was that it was a joke, not to be taken at face value, and that House likes to use them to simply annoy people.Gatuna wrote:Which has been not the first crude sex joke he's made about her, if you don't believe me just watch the CIA episode in s4, to give you only one example of this. So yes, that's how I see it.
I didn't say it's a high effort, I said I feel that it goes against House's nature, at least judging by what we've been shown so far.Gatuna wrote:Giving a fake apology is not a high effort in my book...
Gatuna wrote:Um, no. What you did is take what I said about season one House, with which obviously you disagreed with, and said that what I said was like saying that House does not care about his patients, without saying why.
Yes, you exposed your view on what you think about House, but that doesn't explain the analogy you did with my opinion (all that paragraph you're quoting right here is yours, not mine). We're going in circles here. If you don't agree that's up to you, just don't suggest that you know what I missed or understand and, if you make analogies with stuff that hasn't been even mentioned (like House "not caring" about his patients, do it with your own opinion not with mine, unless you are going to draw parallels with what I said exactly (i.e. quote the parts of my post which suggest I'm implying that House doesn't care). This is the last I will say concerning this matter, or we'll never end this discussion.Bea wrote:
If everything I said here:
I also agree with everyone who feels that House seems more like his season one self. (...) The way he pushed Cuddy to confront her mother, instead of comforting her and telling her that it's not her fault, this bluntness and relentlessness, even towards his girlfriend, reminded me of episodes like 'Babies & Bathwater' and 'Control' (...) and last episode he was worried that she would hold him responsible for the death of her mother should he not succeed in saving her.
...wasn't elaborate and explanatory enough for your taste, than I don't know what is.
I also find it curious how you're harping on about how I supposedly assumed that you think House doesn't care about his patients (even though I've repeatedly explained how my words were actually meant to come across) instead of for a change elaborating on your views regarding S1 House vs. S7 House, how you think my examples above fit or don't fit into this or provide examples of your own.
I think this is a robust and astute description of what we have been presented so far this season. House's concerns are real, they are specific, and they go to the heart of what he hopes for his future with Cuddy. I would add that I agree with those who see this season's House as a fitting elaboration of the character unveiled in previous years.From what I have seen this season, he was afraid that he'll inevitably hurt Cuddy and ruin the relationship anyway, he was anxious that they don't share the same pastimes (and once again, that this will lead to their relationship failing), he worried that Cuddy doesn't trust him/their relationship enough to truly make him a part of her life (i.e. introduce him to Rachel and have him come over to her place) and to let it evolve beyond dates and carefree sex and last episode he was worried that she would hold him responsible for the death of her mother should he not succeed in saving her.
Let's not forget about Wilson. He may have made some missteps with House in the past, but like Holmes's Watson he was intimately aware of House's feelings and in earlier seasons interpreted House's behavior for the team. Much of their communication may have been nonverbal, but it came across loud and clear.blacktop wrote:
I do find however one significant change: previously only the audience was privy to House's inner turmoil as we watched him grapple with his sense of worthlessness, his addiction, his desire for love, his depression. Ocassionally, a transient patient would be let in on this aspect of House's character as well. But for the most part House maintained a fortress-like defense against being known by his colleagues and friends. He used sarcasm, bitter jokes, and harsh personal attacks to deflect attention from his own issues. He worked hard to be inscrutable to those who cared most about him.
Now we are rewarded with a kind of intimacy we have not seen before. House now can break down those high walls with someone he cares deeply about, someone who is not merely passing through his life, but who he hopes will be a permanent fixture in it. House is willing to let down his guard with Cuddy, as he did in "Family Practice" when he yelled that he was afraid that she would hate him if her mother died. He lowered his defensive barriers again in "You Must Remember This" when he let her see how conflicted he felt about experiencing happiness while his best friend was mourning a broken love affair. I think that the intimacy and warmth of that bedroom scene did not derive from Cuddy's lack of clothing, it came from House lowering his shields to expose his unadorned self without fear, retreat, or deflection.
I definitely agree with this, Srsly_No. House after Mayfield was undergoing a crucial transition and the moment you quote from "Wilson" was an important turning point in House's development. Much as I hated many aspects of season six, I know that the House we see now would not have been possible without it.Even this season, House first goes to Wilson to share his concerns about not having anything in common with Cuddy, and whether he should lie to her not. As far as point blank honesty, he told Wilson, "If you die, I'll be alone."
Totally agree with ALL of this. Very nice of you to list the number of reasons why Wilson is so important. You see, my main problem with this episode was the shallowness with which House voiced his concern (note that I say 'voiced' because I read something else of his concern in House's attitude). But the problem with leaving House's concerns to his actions more than to what he says, is that attitude an actions are pretty much subjective -and subjected- to each viewer's interpretation.Srsly_No wrote:
Let's not forget about Wilson. He may have made some missteps with House in the past, but like Holmes's Watson he was intimately aware of House's feelings and in earlier seasons interpreted House's behavior for the team. Much of their communication may have been nonverbal, but it came across loud and clear.
In season five, it was Wilson House turned to when he had hallucinations about Amber. He confided his fears that his Vicodin use could be causing it, and that it could lead to losing his license.
Even this season, House first goes to Wilson to share his concerns about not having anything in common with Cuddy, and whether he should lie to her not. As far as point blank honesty, he told Wilson, "If you die, I'll be alone."