Manicman
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September 14th, 2009, 9:12 pm #211

One thing I noticed after re-watching this episode was the mirror guy's reaction to Kutner. No depressed thoughts or anything.And if Kutner was suicidal he would have had at least depressed thoughts about a year prior. Maybe it actually was murder.
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September 14th, 2009, 9:28 pm #212

Depression isn't a constant, 24 hour thing. For all we know, Kutner could have had some issue as bi-polar -- hence the desire to always try something new, along with lapses into depression.
And with a gun around, one of the sad things is that it only takes a moment for suicides to happen.
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September 15th, 2009, 3:22 pm #213

Bipolar involves alternating between depression and mania. So if the depression didn't show up then the mania would have. I think it's more likely that the writers just didn't plan to have Kutner kill himself, though I would like if it were a murder. The suicide thing seems really stupid for Kutner.
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September 15th, 2009, 5:41 pm #214

Manicman wrote:Bipolar involves alternating between depression and mania. So if the depression didn't show up then the mania would have. I think it's more likely that the writers just didn't plan to have Kutner kill himself, though I would like if it were a murder. The suicide thing seems really stupid for Kutner.
No, people with bipolar disorder have fluctuating emotional states that are not necessarily appropriate. Except for people with extremely bad cases, most will have some periods of "normalcy" in between. Some people with this disorder experience the full range of emotions, some only the mania and some (like Stephen Fry) only have periodic bouts of depression.
Kutner's suicide did seem out of the blue and it upset many of us (myself included.) But in the real world, that sometimes happens.
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September 15th, 2009, 5:49 pm #215

There are forms of bipolar disorder where the person never reaches a fully manic state, and even ordinary depression comes in waves that can last anywhere from days to years (I know this one from extensive personal experience). There is no reason to think that Kutner was not capable of suicide just because he wasn't in a slump that week. In viewing old episodes again, I actually thought there were a lot of things in his personality to suggest that he might not be as cheerful as he seemed. The risk-taking, the addiction to new experiences, the sympathy toward the suicidal patient in Painless... with 20/20 hindsight, these all look like red flags to me.
I have more thoughts on this, but I'll have to save them for later (and probably take them to the Kutner thread).
ETA: well, it took me so long to write my post between distractions that Poeia got in first and said half of the same things, so... What she said. LOL
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June 4th, 2010, 1:00 pm #216

Rerun of Mirror, Mirror last week. I love the littles reminders of past seasons.
Season four, Wilson : "You would do my laundry if I asked you to"
Season six, Epic Fail : House is folding Wilson's laundry... without being asked.
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