Smith & Wesson 94 & Chubb Detainer (Arrest) question

Smith & Wesson 94 & Chubb Detainer (Arrest) question

S.A.
S.A.

December 9th, 2005, 5:32 am #1

Hello I will like to know if it is true that one can open of Smith & Wesson model 94 with a pen or if it is a rumour? Also I would like to know if Chubb Detainer (Arrest) are hard or easy to open without key? Are Chubb Detainer of good handcuffs? Thanks.
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Mark Lyons
Mark Lyons

December 9th, 2005, 6:24 am #2



Hi.
Yes I do believe the Model 94 can be picked with the right sized pen body or its cap.
About a year ago, there was a much publicized story of crooks stealing bikes by using a Bic pen. The internet was full of video clips showing how this was being done. I was watching this and couldn't believe what I was seeing. These guys were inserting the pen barrel into the Ace lock cylinder and turning it just as if it were a key. Kryptonite, who makes the majority of these bike locks had to eliminate the Ace lock cylinders and use a more conventional one. As a locksmith with plenty of years behind me, I could not logically see how this was happening. There is no way that this could be happening. I finally figured out the missing factor that did allow for this picking to take place. The news and video shots of this picking failed to mention that the pen had to be heated up close to its melting point. This would allow each of the 7 pins inside the lock to be pushed down and locked into their designated depth which would allow the cylinder to rotate and open the lock. The pliable plastic would allow for this.
The S&W 94 has a similar lock but it had only 4 tumblers in it. The same technique should work for this style as well. This should actually be easier than the regular Ace lock.
I have never tried picking a lock this way as I like to use a very precision pick and it allows me to make a key from it once the lock has been picked. I do not believe that all Ace locks or the 94 could be picked with certainty or regularity. It would more likely take a few tries with many pen barrels or caps to get the lock to pick.

The Chubb Detainer has, in my opinion, the highest security lock of any handcuff ever made. Picking that cuff would take many many hours. It would require more luck than skill in this case.

Hope this helps

mark
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Atame
Atame

December 9th, 2005, 7:22 am #3

Hello I will like to know if it is true that one can open of Smith & Wesson model 94 with a pen or if it is a rumour? Also I would like to know if Chubb Detainer (Arrest) are hard or easy to open without key? Are Chubb Detainer of good handcuffs? Thanks.
Hi Mark,

is it possible that you mean the Chubb Escord and not the Detainer, when writing about "the highest security lock of any handcuff ever made"?

Best regards to sunny San Diego from cold Bavaria,
Guenter aka Atame
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Atame
Atame

December 9th, 2005, 7:24 am #4

Hello I will like to know if it is true that one can open of Smith & Wesson model 94 with a pen or if it is a rumour? Also I would like to know if Chubb Detainer (Arrest) are hard or easy to open without key? Are Chubb Detainer of good handcuffs? Thanks.
oops, "Escort" not "Escord", of course!
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S.A.
S.A.

December 9th, 2005, 7:26 am #5

Hello I will like to know if it is true that one can open of Smith & Wesson model 94 with a pen or if it is a rumour? Also I would like to know if Chubb Detainer (Arrest) are hard or easy to open without key? Are Chubb Detainer of good handcuffs? Thanks.
Hello Mark I thank you for your quick answer.
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Steve Santini
Steve Santini

December 9th, 2005, 11:00 am #6

Hello I will like to know if it is true that one can open of Smith & Wesson model 94 with a pen or if it is a rumour? Also I would like to know if Chubb Detainer (Arrest) are hard or easy to open without key? Are Chubb Detainer of good handcuffs? Thanks.
Hi,

It may interest yuou to know that the prison system here in Canada for many years used the model 94 for transport purposes due to it's higher security lock.

Not any more!

All of that came to a close when it was discovered that resouceful inmates were discovering that they could open the cuff by making a "rocker pick" of sorts out of Colt or Old Port cigarillo plastic cigar tips.

They would knaw a few notches into the plastic tip and then jam it over the key post.

Once this was done they would rock it slightly back and forth while applying turning tension.

Turned out the plastic was not brittle and would serve as something of a tension wrench while the chewed bits aligned the pins!

It worked on many worn and used 94's that had lost any sort of fine tollerances in the lock.

Strange but true!

Steve Santini
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Ian McColl
Ian McColl

December 9th, 2005, 2:53 pm #7

Hello I will like to know if it is true that one can open of Smith & Wesson model 94 with a pen or if it is a rumour? Also I would like to know if Chubb Detainer (Arrest) are hard or easy to open without key? Are Chubb Detainer of good handcuffs? Thanks.
Hi both the standard key and prison keyed models can be easily opened with a piece of wire.
The only difference between the two in an increment difference but the key cuts are the same configuration
( just one increment lower than the other )

I am hearing rumour that the Escort cuff can be opened quite quickly also. I am trying to seek further information but I believe John Falle has a tool which would do the task.

Ian McColl
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Ian McColl
Ian McColl

December 9th, 2005, 2:57 pm #8

Hello I will like to know if it is true that one can open of Smith & Wesson model 94 with a pen or if it is a rumour? Also I would like to know if Chubb Detainer (Arrest) are hard or easy to open without key? Are Chubb Detainer of good handcuffs? Thanks.
check out this:
http://www.security.org/lss-tour/video_files.htm

the Chubb escort cuff has an AVA mechanism,
search down the list for AVA.

Ian
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December 10th, 2005, 2:22 am #9

Hello I will like to know if it is true that one can open of Smith & Wesson model 94 with a pen or if it is a rumour? Also I would like to know if Chubb Detainer (Arrest) are hard or easy to open without key? Are Chubb Detainer of good handcuffs? Thanks.
hi all, alex nichols once told me that chris gower picked a pair of chubb escorts, he said he saw them in the open position with out the key in the lock! (an imposible thing to do as the key needs to be in the lock!), is this true chris?....ttfn, chris.
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Ian McColl
Ian McColl

December 10th, 2005, 5:42 am #10

Hello I will like to know if it is true that one can open of Smith & Wesson model 94 with a pen or if it is a rumour? Also I would like to know if Chubb Detainer (Arrest) are hard or easy to open without key? Are Chubb Detainer of good handcuffs? Thanks.
Hi Chris,

Chris Gower sent me the pick he had used for picking open a Chubb Ava padlock and the same padlock. He said how it was to be done and I did it, it took less than 5 minutes and quicker with more practice.

I have tried the same with the Chubb escort and haven't been successful.

Ian
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