Chris.Astley
Chris.Astley

December 11th, 2006, 4:59 pm #11

Dear Christine, I have just checked my sources and found out your father was on a Coastal Command Halifax and not a Bomber Command Halifax.

RAF 58 Squadron was used for anti-submarine duties to hunt down U-boats. In my record sources I find at least five 58 Squadron Halifaxes that were shot down by U Boat crews so this was dangerous duty.

BUT none of these Halifaxes that were recorded as shot down by the Uboats fit the date and time of the patrol of your fathers Halifax.

I will look further on his missing Halifax.

It should be pointed out that after mid-1943 the Uboat crews were told by their command to shoot it out with the Allied submarine partol aircraft and not to dive underwater when the aircraft attacked. This must be part of the story of the loss of JP167 and her crew.

With regard to your fathers crew and their relatives I found the following:

Hopkin-Hill, James no address - Squadron leader
Wiles, Kenneth Edward " "
Douglas, Philip Hulme - wife was Agnes Davis Douglas of Edinburgh
Preston, Thomas Baxter - father/mother John + Margaret of Edinburgh
Crostie, H M nothing at all!?
Farquharson, William -nothing
Chadwick, Harry - nothing

Hopefully this will help a bit.

Perhaps the other researchers here can add to this, please bounce back with any further info you have and we can help fill in more info for you.

Cheers, Karl

Did you manage to find any more information on JP167shot down 10/11th June 1944 off the south coast of the brest peninsula Do you know were I could look for this information because it was shot down over France does this make a difference as to where it would be listed?
Regards
Chris
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Eddie Fell
Eddie Fell

December 11th, 2006, 7:17 pm #12

Hi Christine

Unfortunately I suspect that you are not going to find anything more than you have already. As Karl indicated, the aircraft was operating with Coastal Command on anti sub patrols when it went missing. This was not unusual for any aircraft during the war as the sheer number of names which commemorate the lost on the Runneymede Memorial indicates. 'Lost without trace' is the sad epitaph to many a brave airman and regretably means just that - nobody has any idea what happened. It could have neen shot down (by an aircraft or ship) but usually the persons responsible would make a 'claim' for its destruction and thus some idea of the location would be known. More likely is a mechanical or fuel problem which caused the aircraft to be lost but that would be pure speculation.

There are a couple of Coastal Command 'buffs' on the RAF Commands site where you have posted similar messages and if they haven't popped up with the answer you seek, then I'm afraid nobody has one.

Eddie
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Eddie Fell
Eddie Fell

December 11th, 2006, 7:21 pm #13

Me again

As for finding relatives of other crew members you could try posting on this site

http://www.worldwar2exraf.co.uk/

This is more geared to that sort of question than some sites which are frequented by researchers per se (although they sometimes come up trumps as well)

Eddie

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Harold Dummer
Harold Dummer

December 12th, 2006, 4:14 pm #14


Hi Christine
I note that two of the crews relatives came from Edinburgh The bomb aimer of my brothers crew came from Belfast I have recently ask the Belfast Telegraph if they would put an article in there letter page this included just the mission that my brothers plane was on and also the name of the bomb aimer also asking If any relative or person knew him, within a week I had a reply from his brother and he has since loaned me his brothers log book This service was free ( although I would have gladly paid ) You can find out details of news papers in Ediburgh from the net also the folks on this site are most helpful I wish you all the luck with your research Never Give Up
Harold Dummer
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December 23rd, 2006, 10:28 am #15

Thank you for that information I will indeed look into that and see if I also can find anything out
Regards
Chris
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Rick Catt
Rick Catt

January 18th, 2007, 2:19 am #16

Chris,

You may want to try writing (or ringing) the McRosties in Brisbane there are only 10 listed and asking if any of them can help:-

McRostie B & S Tea Tree Rd Diwan 4873(07) 4098 9141 McRostie C 44 Euree St Kenmore 4069(07) 3378 7830
McRostie D 9 School House St Amamoor 4570(07) 5484 3434 McRostie P & L 1 Sidney Drv Beerwah 4519(07) 5494 8392 McRostie R P 8 Lisson Gr Wooloowin 4030(07) 3262 2326 McRostie S M 433 Brisbane Rd Coombabah 4216(07) 5563 1154 McRostie T J 3 Kirsten Crt Maroochydore 4558(07) 5475 4553
McRostie W & K13 Whiteoak Ave Mossman 4873(07) 4098 1417 McRostie W I91 Boothby St Kedron 4031(07) 3350 2845 McRostie Y9 York St Coorparoo 4151(07) 3342 1164

May be that one is related - pretty good chance that one is actually. I've been doing similar research only from Aust and find phone books quite useful!

Rick
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Christine Astley
Christine Astley

February 5th, 2007, 6:23 pm #17

Thank you for the phone no's I will indeed try that And I will let you know if I have any success
Regards Chris
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March 4th, 2007, 2:06 pm #18

Dear Christine, I have just checked my sources and found out your father was on a Coastal Command Halifax and not a Bomber Command Halifax.

RAF 58 Squadron was used for anti-submarine duties to hunt down U-boats. In my record sources I find at least five 58 Squadron Halifaxes that were shot down by U Boat crews so this was dangerous duty.

BUT none of these Halifaxes that were recorded as shot down by the Uboats fit the date and time of the patrol of your fathers Halifax.

I will look further on his missing Halifax.

It should be pointed out that after mid-1943 the Uboat crews were told by their command to shoot it out with the Allied submarine partol aircraft and not to dive underwater when the aircraft attacked. This must be part of the story of the loss of JP167 and her crew.

With regard to your fathers crew and their relatives I found the following:

Hopkin-Hill, James no address - Squadron leader
Wiles, Kenneth Edward " "
Douglas, Philip Hulme - wife was Agnes Davis Douglas of Edinburgh
Preston, Thomas Baxter - father/mother John + Margaret of Edinburgh
Crostie, H M nothing at all!?
Farquharson, William -nothing
Chadwick, Harry - nothing

Hopefully this will help a bit.

Perhaps the other researchers here can add to this, please bounce back with any further info you have and we can help fill in more info for you.

Cheers, Karl

I know you cannot find any record of my Fathers plane Halifax JP167 being shot down on the 11th June 1944 as he was shot down off the coast of Brest Peninsula would this make any difference as this was in French waters I believe If not do you know if there are any other ways I can find out It seems strange that it just disappeared A message was received from the plane saying they had spotted 3 enemy destroyers and u boats that was about 4 minutes past midnight which would have been the 11thJune as they took off the previous night(10th) from Havorford west air base
Your help would be much appreciated
Regards Christine
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Linzee
Linzee

March 4th, 2007, 5:11 pm #19

Christine,

It's a long shot (but isn't always, and sometimes a long shot bears fruit) have a look on this website http://www.lesbutler.ip3.co.uk/tony/tonywood.htm and see if you can identify any claims made that might match up with the loss of the Halifax you're looking for.

You may need to take into account time differences as times stated in some of the records could be the time Germany was on rather than Britain.

Good luck and please let us know how you get on as it's useful for others to have that sort of feedback.

Kind Regards
Linzee
www.archieraf.co.uk
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July 3rd, 2009, 1:51 pm #20

I know it's a long while ago and no update has been posted, so I assume that Christine has given up or found the information elsewhere, but in midsummer, just after midnight a Halifax (presumably alone) finds 3 destroyers and 2 E-boats (not U-boats) radios this information back so that the Admiralty can
a) warn convoys and
b) prepare an attack either by RN submarine or surface forces if close by or by air.
To get close enough to identify what kind of warships they were must have brought them into range and sadly they perished in order that others might live.

I do hope that there are some Naval records (both sides) so that perhaps we can find out if their message did lead to these ships being sunk or damaged. After all, Brest was not too far away from the D Day beaches and would have been a serious threat if these ships had broken through.

Just my comments, no involvement, just sensing the anxiety in the initial poster wanting some explanation for what happened to her Dad.
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