420 Snowy Owl Squadron Pics

420 Snowy Owl Squadron Pics

Joined: December 31st, 2004, 6:29 pm

January 1st, 2005, 1:22 am #1

Does anyone have pictures of crews or individuals from the 420 Snowy Owl Squadron. In 1943 I beleive it was they were stationed at Tholthrope Yorkshire. I'm looking for pics of Norman Binnie, Normy Cooper, Ted Vigor,and Bill Brayley. I'm not sure if all were posted to the 420 Squadron.

Chris
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Eddie Fell
Eddie Fell

January 1st, 2005, 1:03 pm #2

Hi Chris

There was a William Etienne Joseph Brayley who was with 158 Sqn and was shot down on 10/4/44, succesfully evading capture. He came from Monreal West. Don't know if this is your man and unfortunately I don't have a photo either

Cheers

Eddie
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Rodusek
Rodusek

January 1st, 2005, 6:00 pm #3

I can't say if that is the man but if you have a picture I might be able to confirm that he is thone because my great grandfather took alot of pictures.

Chris
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Ian F
Ian F

January 1st, 2005, 7:07 pm #4

Does anyone have pictures of crews or individuals from the 420 Snowy Owl Squadron. In 1943 I beleive it was they were stationed at Tholthrope Yorkshire. I'm looking for pics of Norman Binnie, Normy Cooper, Ted Vigor,and Bill Brayley. I'm not sure if all were posted to the 420 Squadron.

Chris
Hi Chris,

Here's all the 420 Squadron Halifaxes listed in the database here. All are of Halifax aircraft & no crew details given, but the list may be of use...

Best wishes for the New Year.
Ian
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LV953...00/00/00...BSqRAF p241...'Fangs of Fire' nose art...F
LW380...00/06/44...Halifax p138...'B' basking in summer sunshine...B
LW380...Planes A83 p10...PT-B in foreground on ground PT-Y at rear...B
LW676...00/06/44...Halifax p138 'Y' In background with LW217...Y
LW676...Planes A83 p10...PT-Y in background, PT-B in foreground...Y
LW676...00/08/44...THPH p146...PT-Y basking on a sunny grassy dispersal...Y
MZ420...00/07/44...HIA p34...Two a/c on ground being serviced
MZ423...00/00/45...BSqRAF p241...Tail section of this a/c lined up at Rawcliffe...B
MZ620...06/01/45...A/St4 p182...a/c taxies past
NR230...57#90419...PT-H at dispersal engines running...H
NR230...57/90420...PT-H at dispersal, taxies out 3/4 front view...H
NR230...57/90421...PT-H at dispersal, close up engines running...H
NR230...57/90421...H front 3/4 view of engines running up...H
........57#90411...PT-S crew pose with nose art...S
........57#90412...PT-O (possibly) at dispersal, crew door open...O
........57#90413...PT-V (possibly) "Viva Viva Viva" taxies in...V
........57#90415...Unidentified a/c nice side on with nose art
........57#90420...Unidentified a/c taxies away from the camera
........57/90411...Crew pose under nose of 'Sweet Sue' (?) PT-S...S
........57/90412...unidentified Halifax sits at dispersal (from rear)
........57/90413...PT-V 'viva viva viva' taxies in at Tholthorpe...V
........57/90420...evocative photo of Halifax taxying away
...00/00/44...BC36-68 p100...“Diane Cupid" nose art
...00/00/45...BSqRAF p241...‘Lets Get Crackin - City of London' artwork

Additionally we have the following pics:-
Squadron blazer badge
Marshalling group of Halifaxes with PT-C prominent
One of 420's Halifaxes being serviced at dispersal
Nose art "The Dusty Duke"
420 Sqn Halifax undergoing engine maintenance
Halifax PT-H showing mid-under gun clearly
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Rodusek
Rodusek

January 1st, 2005, 9:13 pm #5

I beleive in one of the stories my great grandfather wrote he said his bomber E-Easy. The crew was

P/O Luke Holoway RCAF
Sgt. Norman Binnie RCAF
F/O John Lancaster RCAF
P/O R. Irwin RCAF
F/Sgt Bert Brakes RAF
P/O W. Chudzik RCAF
F/Sgt Harry Waller RCAF
P/O F. Harrop RCAF

On the 10/11 June 1944 when their Halifax was shot down. Binnie and Brakes jumped to safety, the rest of the crew were killed. They were bombing the railyards in France that night.

Chris
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Anonymous
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January 2nd, 2005, 12:04 am #6

Here's the info we have on this aircraft...
Hope it helps?
Ian
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SERIAL No: LW674
MANUFACTURER: English Electric Co Ltd, Preston
CONTRACT No: ACFT/1808/C4/C
REQUISITION No: HA1/E11/42
ORDER QTY & TYPE: 260 B/A Mk III's
DELIVERY DETAILS: Batch LW671 to LW696 delivered between 29/02/44 & 03/03/44

1st UNIT: 420 sqn
SQUADRON: 420 sqn
UNIT CODES: PT-E
BASE: Tholthorpe

DATE: 11/06/44
TARGET: Versailles
TIME UP: 22:03hrs

DETAILS:
Left base to bomb railway yards. A/C crashed at Theuville (Eure-et-Loir) which is situated some 15km
SSE of Chartres, to the W of the main Chartres / Orleans highway.
P/O Holowaychuk who served as P/O Holoway RCAF and the remaining crew members who died are
buried in the Theuville Communal Cemetery. Sgt Chudzik RCAF was the mid under gunner.

CREW:
P/O L. Hollowaychuk RCAF K
Sgt N. Binnie RCAF evd
F/O J. D. Lancaster RCAF K
F/Sgt R. M. Irwin RCAF K
F/Sgt B. E. Brakes evd
Sgt W. J. Chudzik RCAF K
F/Sgt H. Waller K
Sgt F. G. Harrop RCAF K

N.B: Also reported as having operated with No 76 Sqn as "MP-W".

PHOTOGRAPHS: Nearest comparison: LW671 or LW676


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Rodusek
Rodusek

January 2nd, 2005, 4:37 am #7

This is defintley the bomber and crew I'm looking for but I want photo's of the crew preferably individuals. Also if any one has anything about Ted Vigor-shotdown in 1943 or 44 and Normy Cooper I'd love to hear from you.

Chris
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Joined: December 31st, 2004, 6:29 pm

January 2nd, 2005, 4:51 am #8

Pardon me but Holoway died. My great grandfather Norman Binnie survived as did Bert Brakes. In a rough draft of a letter he was writing it to Bert Brakes about that night. Only Binnie and Brakes survived.

John Douglas Lancaster was the navigator

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Joined: December 31st, 2004, 6:29 pm

January 2nd, 2005, 5:20 am #9

Ian I think you must review your information as Norman Binnie seved with 406 Sqn a night fighter sqn. He served with it till 1943.

Chris
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Joined: November 25th, 2004, 4:46 pm

January 2nd, 2005, 4:17 pm #10

Chris,

What does your information say about Binnie's trade with 406 Squadron? As i am sure you are aware (having done your homework), they were a NF Squadron and employed the services of Gunners (and Navigators / Observers) as well as Pilots. Is it possible that Binnie remustered from the trade of Gunner / Observer / Navigator etc., to the grade of Flight Engineer? Certainly not unknown in my own field of research (No.1 Bomber Group) and indeed relatively common throughout the RAF in WW2.

Perhaps you can check your sources and see what his trade was prior to his service with 420, and i suspect that you will find that Ian has indeed given a correct crew listing. I have checked it already against the official Bomber Command Loss Card and found Ian's listing to be correct as far as tallying with the Loss Card is concerned. In my experience, the Loss Cards are rarely wrong.

L/O

Greg

"You can take the boy out of Wales,
But you cannot takes Wales out of the boy"
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