Can Time Exist Without Matter?

Israel Sadovnik
Israel Sadovnik

October 15th, 2008, 5:07 pm #11

Can Time Exist Without Matter?
1.
According to Newton the answer is “ Yes”.
2.
According to SRT and GRT the answer is “ No”.
3.
Who is right? Who is wrong?
How is possible to understand their?
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Curt Youngs wrote:
Without separating the wavefronts from the event,
everything will not be logical.
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In other words ,for my opinion,
Curt Youngs ask:
“ what is dualism of particle/ wave?
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October 15th, 2008, 10:15 pm #12

Can Time Exist Without Matter?
1.
According to Newton the answer is “ Yes”.
2.
According to SRT and GRT the answer is “ No”.
3.
Who is right? Who is wrong?
How is possible to understand their?
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socratus: Can Time Exist Without Matter? 1. According to Newton the answer is “ Yes”. 2. According to SRT and GRT the answer is “ No”. 3. Who is right? Who is wrong?
How is possible to understand their?




Stan: Actually, Socratus; SRT has nothing to say about the existence of time independent of matter, but GRT says the answer is <B>“Yes”; and one of the solutions of its field equations leads to a universe with no matter at all:</B> http://www.answers.com/topic/willem-de-sitter



AAF: No; General Relativity can't say 'YES'! Because General Relativity does not recognize time as an independent entity. It recognizes only Einstein's so-called Space-time Continuum; and that is it.




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October 15th, 2008, 11:04 pm #13

Can Time Exist Without Matter?
1.
According to Newton the answer is “ Yes”.
2.
According to SRT and GRT the answer is “ No”.
3.
Who is right? Who is wrong?
How is possible to understand their?
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Vast logical error alert!

Space-time can exist without matter, therefore Time can exist without matter.

The ARROW of time is probably related to matter, but you could also say that the unfurling of space-time which generates that directionality, causes matter to interact a certain way.
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October 16th, 2008, 1:02 am #14




Hermann Minkowski wrote:
“The views of space and time which I wish to lay before you have sprung from the soil of experimental physics, and therein lies their strength. They are radical. Henceforth space by itself, and time by itself, are doomed to fade away into mere shadows, and only a kind of union of the two will preserve an independent reality.” –Hermann Minkowski, 1908
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minkowski_space

And that means Max's 'logical alert' does not represent the official viewpoint of Relativity; correct?
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October 16th, 2008, 2:39 am #15

Can Time Exist Without Matter?
1.
According to Newton the answer is “ Yes”.
2.
According to SRT and GRT the answer is “ No”.
3.
Who is right? Who is wrong?
How is possible to understand their?
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Curt Youngs wrote:
Without separating the wave-fronts from the event,
everything will not be logical.
=========.
In other words ,for my opinion,
Curt Youngs asks:
“ what is dualism of particle/ wave?
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Curt Youngs writes: Actually, what I thought I was making was a statement, that being:

The event creating the spherical expanding wave-front, and the eventual detection of the wave-front which reveals the event are actually two separate events. People seem to think there is no difference between the two. This creates illogical conclusions.

The dualism of the reception of short wavelength electromagnetic radiation comes about because the transmission and absorption of the wave at the near field is not well known. Visit <a href="http://www.unquantum.net/</a" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.unquantum.net/</a> for starters on this subject.
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Israel Sadovnik
Israel Sadovnik

October 16th, 2008, 6:22 am #16

Can Time Exist Without Matter?
1.
According to Newton the answer is “ Yes”.
2.
According to SRT and GRT the answer is “ No”.
3.
Who is right? Who is wrong?
How is possible to understand their?
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1.
Curt Youngs writes: Actually, what I thought I was making was a statement, that being:

The event creating the spherical expanding wave-front, and the eventual detection of the wave-front which reveals the event are actually two separate events. People seem to think there is no difference between the two. This creates illogical conclusions.

The dualism of the reception of short wavelength electromagnetic radiation comes about because the transmission and absorption of the wave at the near field is not well known. Visit http://www.unquantum.net/</A&lt; a>> for starters on this subject.

2.
Max Planck
Nobel Lecture, June 2, 1920

"There is in particular one problem whose exhaustive
solution could provide considerable elucidation.
What becomes of the energy of a photon after complete emission?"
3.
I think these two problems are equal.
Their decision is hides into dualism of particle.
4.
Visit http://www.unquantum.net/</A&lt; a>> for starters on this subject.
The page cannot be found
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October 16th, 2008, 8:11 am #17

Can Time Exist Without Matter?
1.
According to Newton the answer is “ Yes”.
2.
According to SRT and GRT the answer is “ No”.
3.
Who is right? Who is wrong?
How is possible to understand their?
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AAF: Hermann Minkowski wrote:
“The views of space and time which I wish to lay before you have sprung from the soil of experimental physics, and therein lies their strength. They are radical. Henceforth space by itself, and time by itself, are doomed to fade away into mere shadows, and only a kind of union of the two will preserve an independent reality.” –Hermann Minkowski, 1908
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minkowski_space

And that means Max's 'logical alert' does not represent the official viewpoint of Relativity; correct?



Max: Nope, you didn't even read what I wrote did you?

I said Space-time can exist without matter. That is the official relativity viewpoint.


My personal modification is that matter cannot exist without Space-time.
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October 16th, 2008, 1:57 pm #18

Can Time Exist Without Matter?
1.
According to Newton the answer is “ Yes”.
2.
According to SRT and GRT the answer is “ No”.
3.
Who is right? Who is wrong?
How is possible to understand their?
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The link should be: http://www.unquantum.net

I happen to think, at this time, that the main property of the ether is inertia, the property that provides moment to mass. Now, the electromagnetic force is a property of the near field. It is induced by the pulsation or rotation of matter. In the far field, the propagation consists in spherical undulations of the ether. Nothing actually "travels" except the undulations (as waves do in air or water.) It is the rotation or pulsation of matter that passes the energy to the ether, and at the absorption end, the undulations induce the matter there to build up a similar near field that "sucks" the energy into the mass, or re-emit it through the same type of rotation or pulsation. The near field actions are superluminal.
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Israel Sadovnik
Israel Sadovnik

October 16th, 2008, 4:31 pm #19

Can Time Exist Without Matter?
1.
According to Newton the answer is “ Yes”.
2.
According to SRT and GRT the answer is “ No”.
3.
Who is right? Who is wrong?
How is possible to understand their?
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Curt Youngs wrote.
I happen to think, at this time, that the main property of the ether is inertia, the property that provides moment to mass. Now, the electromagnetic force is a property of the near field. It is induced by the pulsation or rotation of matter. In the far field, the propagation consists in spherical undulations of the ether. Nothing actually "travels" except the undulations (as waves do in air or water. It is the rotation or pulsation of matter that passes the energy to the ether, and at the absorption end, the undulations induce the matter there to build up a similar near field that "sucks" the energy into the mass, or re-emit it through the same type of rotation or pulsation..
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When I was a child my uncle took rabbi to study me Bible.
I didn’t understand it and I said to myself: it is fairy-tale.
Your message sound for me in the same way.
Why?
What is ether?
What is inertia?
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From an article:
“An old professor of mine used to say
that anyone who can answer that question
what inertia is , would win a Nobel Prize. “
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“the property that provides moment to mass.”...= tautology
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Etc…..
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Sorry.

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October 16th, 2008, 5:43 pm #20

Can Time Exist Without Matter?
1.
According to Newton the answer is “ Yes”.
2.
According to SRT and GRT the answer is “ No”.
3.
Who is right? Who is wrong?
How is possible to understand their?
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You are right, It's just that I think the inertia that keeps matter in its particular state of motion is in the ether rather than in the matter. You can say that a non sensible substance does not exist, but you can't prove that either. Supposing various properties is a step to finding them. I am ready to default on this at any time, unlike Max, who tenaciously maintains his allegiance to his theory, regardless of logic, which is fine too.

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