Joined: January 30th, 2004, 2:33 am

December 15th, 2017, 12:01 am #15201

Facts, sure, but her 'diva' thing is different to me than performing live, though it relates. If Mariah has a personality like to play the diva, that's her right and her being herself. I don't think it's fair of fans to ask her to be something she's not. Part of her 'diva' nature is she is overly concerned with how she looks, her posing, etc. That plays into her weak live performances the past 15 years or so (and by live performances, I mean her one-offs). That's why even if she's sounding great on tour, it isn't a given she would sound that good at an awards show or something because she would have heightened anxiety over things she might not normally.
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Joined: December 13th, 2007, 1:03 am

December 15th, 2017, 12:01 am #15202

Well I’m not delusional in thinking that if she posts a good vocal clip on social media that it would undo what happened last year and over the past few years, or would necessarily be seen by even 10% of the people who see the negative viral moments. But it certainly couldn’t hurt!

I also think the popularity she gains as a result of AIWFCY each year could be a way for her to make a non Christmas music comeback with the right song. AIWFCY keeps her more relevant than her 90s peers among newer generations. I work in a HS and all day long I hear kids blasting the song. 14, 15, 16 year olds. They know who she is. They likely don’t know many of her contemporaries from the 90s. This song is her biggest blessing. If she could deliver an amazing vocal on a catchy song that people can sing along to, there’s reason to think she could still be relevant on radio in months other than December.
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December 15th, 2017, 12:15 am #15203

I only bring up her diva image because it means that when she messes up in any way no matter how minor (which she is prone to do), she's going to really be held to the fire, much more than if someone like Adele or Celine or anyone else had a lackluster performance.  A lot of people really don't like her, and not just your typical online trolls. So there's a celebration of sorts when she falls short. She's not ever given a break. So I think in that sense, her public persona has had a real adverse affect on how the media and audience receive her live performances. I have never seen anyone so dissected and scrutinized, from her voice to her appearance and movements. She just needs balance.  I know there is so much more to her character than the fake accent and diva in distress antics.  She's so brilliant and intelligent. 

I do agree that her continuing to be consistent in delivering amazing vocals will help generate good word-of-mouth on social media.  I can't express enough how exciting it is to see her so focused right now! I know she can turn it around if she really wants to.  If lol... 
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December 15th, 2017, 3:00 am #15204

OohoneyrainoO wrote: I only bring up her diva image because it means that when she messes up in any way no matter how minor (which she is prone to do), she's going to really be held to the fire, much more than if someone like Adele or Celine or anyone else had a lackluster performance.  A lot of people really don't like her, and not just your typical online trolls. So there's a celebration of sorts when she falls short. She's not ever given a break. So I think in that sense, her public persona has had a real adverse affect on how the media and audience receive her live performances. I have never seen anyone so dissected and scrutinized, from her voice to her appearance and movements. She just needs balance.  I know there is so much more to her character than the fake accent and diva in distress antics.  She's so brilliant and intelligent. 

I do agree that her continuing to be consistent in delivering amazing vocals will help generate good word-of-mouth on social media.  I can't express enough how exciting it is to see her so focused right now! I know she can turn it around if she really wants to.  If lol... 
I know what you are saying. I'm just saying 1) It's asking her not to be herself and 2) There is basically no chance she is going to change, so why keep harping on it? I say focus on strengths, or at least things that could change.
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December 15th, 2017, 5:02 am #15205

OohoneyrainoO wrote: Mariah's career has suffered foundational damage, and she has lost the trust of the general public.  Therefore, she is no longer given the benefit of the doubt; and people expect the worse from her in appearance, performance, and character.  I don't think any single live performance will change that.  It won't erase a decade's worth of sins.  Any positivity she receives now (outside of her own diminished fanbase) is purely for the nostalgia.  I believe people still truly love "old Mariah" and her music from "back in the day." People respect her for who she was then, not what she has become now.  And at this point in her career, I'm not even sure if Mariah is willing to do what is necessary to change that.  

I still maintain that her diva persona has done her far more harm than good.  Not saying she has to turn it off completely, but it is excessive and has caused her to be vilified in the press. No one sympathizes with a villain, certainly not on social media!  And no one wants to support someone who constantly acts as if her multi-million dollar, pampered lifestyle is so "bleak" and "abusive" when they're struggling to make ends meet.  Joke or no joke, it's obnoxious.  If Mariah had a more likable image, I think it would change a lot of things.  
I only bring up her diva image because it means that when she messes up in any way no matter how minor (which she is prone to do), she's going to really be held to the fire, much more than if someone like Adele or Celine or anyone else had a lackluster performance.  A lot of people really don't like her, and not just your typical online trolls. So there's a celebration of sorts when she falls short. She's not ever given a break. So I think in that sense, her public persona has had a real adverse affect on how the media and audience receive her live performances. I have never seen anyone so dissected and scrutinized, from her voice to her appearance and movements. She just needs balance.  I know there is so much more to her character than the fake accent and diva in distress antics.  She's so brilliant and intelligent. 

I do agree that her continuing to be consistent in delivering amazing vocals will help generate good word-of-mouth on social media.  I can't express enough how exciting it is to see her so focused right now! I know she can turn it around if she really wants to.  If lol... 
So true on both counts..🙁 
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December 15th, 2017, 6:54 am #15206

I've always felt that people love Mariah, but once you've seen the best of someone you won't accept anything less -- that's how it goes for all the legends. So, basically, people are constantly disappointed that she isn't the immaculate Mariah of the 90's.

The truth is, she's closer to it than most people think and is still capable of stunning looks and vocals. It's in her own mind that prevents her from being able to properly demonstrate this to the general public. And, tbh, at this point it's part of her charm for me. No matter how enormously talented and successful she is, her insecurities make me love her even more.
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December 15th, 2017, 8:22 am #15207

People love her or love to hate her. Her personality leaves her open to that. I think it's interesting though that she really does get more flak that anyone else, and there are FAR bigger bitches in this industry, who are known as strong women who know what they want.

Mariah gets it far worse than say, Madonna, who is far more rude, petty and can't even sing. For all Mariah might be a diva, she isn't rude to people around her and most of the people who meet her say to the contrary. Artists like Madonna just seem to own it in a way Mariah doesn't. I don't know if it's her insecurity that goes with it that makes her a particular target. She is a diva, but a lot of her antics are stemming from her being an insecure person - her obsession with lighting, her taking a disliking to new talent that cuts too close to the bone in terms of basing their music on her, it all comes from low self esteem.

I think people pick up on that and it makes her an easy target. She's not a diva in a "give no f*cks" way.
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December 15th, 2017, 10:51 am #15208

I agree with everything that was posted, unfortunately it is where she is now.

However I am optimistic because she has professional management now and I believe they can turn some of it around. In just one month and a half Mariah has done that charity short concert, the Johnny Hallaway tribute, is back to wearing flattering outfits. Even from a pessimistic view, at least she will stop doing harm to her own image.

Her last team basically portrayed her like another run of the mill idiotic reality star, it certainly worsened her image.
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December 15th, 2017, 11:10 am #15209

I still think she could do a great live performance somewhere that would garner goodwill, like when she did Star Spangled Banner or her 2006 Grammy performance. Those were very well-received by the public and media. Even if she lips some of it she can still impress people IF she looks like she's really into it i.e. the Grammys.
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December 15th, 2017, 12:02 pm #15210

Yeah Mariah's "thing" now with the GP is that she doesn't care. She's given up. All her clips that go viral are of her seemingly looking uninteresting and bored.

Slowly she can regain this by consistently doing good things like the xmas tour for which I have seen only positive press, and being more aware of what's going on around her (that's why the AIDS foundation concert, climate change sound bites, etc help). But the sad reality is, like countless times before she can slowly build up a better image and better rep as a performer, but people don't check for that. The next slip up and it's back to square one.

I can understand why she is reluctant to put herself on any big platforms.
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