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Albert Inkpin
Albert Inkpin

April 11th, 2005, 6:43 am #1

It's possible to read some of the posts that Harry deleted from the old network54 discussion board by using google.

You can go into www.google.com and search for a string such as "artists in the CPB", or combinations of strings such as "Andrew Murray", then a space and then "Straight Left". When you see the results, don't click on the link itself, click on the "cached" link. You then find google's copy of what was on the discussion board.

This is a bit cumbersome, but it is does give some taste of the old discussions.

Does anyone know why exactly Harry closed down the old discussion board? Was it sheer bloody-mindedness, or were there some particular posts he was embarrassed about?

Albert
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Bert Papworth
Bert Papworth

April 11th, 2005, 4:17 pm #2


a) "Harry" became embarrassed by the site since it represented a clear and discernible link to his political past, something that with his new pro-zionist, pro-US imperialism, pro-Blair friends was an emabarrassing bit of baggage he had to shed.

b) I also wonder why the plug being pulled was so precipitous though, he would probably have preferred to grandstand the sites demise with a closing comment. I think the answer may lay in some of the last postings, links were given to the present webpages of the likes of Tony McNally and Jon Bloomfield who are now pillars of society, perhaps some leaning was done on the webmaster? Purely speculative of course.
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Donald Duart Maclean
Donald Duart Maclean

April 13th, 2005, 9:41 pm #3

I think you're probably right though "Harry" was getting increasingly bored with the "formers" site a long time before he actually pulled the plug on it. He stopped editing out the spam or the juvenile nonsense from "Bazarov" and once he discovered the ego-joys of the bloggosphere he never looked back.

On the "formers" site he originally posed as a disallusioned former member of Straight Left that still supported Cuban-style socialism. But on other message-boards he was already developing an anti-Muslim line that became a blatant apology for imperialism after 9/11.

Curiously enough his early vendetta against the Weedy Wanker provoked a lot of speculation amongst their tiny band about his identity even though John Chamberlain must surely have bumped into "Harry" when they were both in the old YCL.

Last year another blogger claimed that "Harry" was someone called "Simon Brunning". Though I have never met "Harry" I always thought he was another "Simon" altogether...

Donald Maclean
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Charlie Woods
Charlie Woods

April 13th, 2005, 10:13 pm #4

I am not sure that "Harry" and Chamberlain would be contemporaneous-I did'nt know "Harry" but he was matey with a guy who I did know who was active in Tyneside YCL called let us say "M" -they were both at Newcastle Uni-now "M" was of a slightly older vintage than "Harry" M. being a circa 1984-1987 model, whereas "Harry" came in when "M" was reaching the end of his uni-days(around 87 I guess).I think Chamberlain had already moved on from the YCL-because I seem to recall seeing him at a YCL national gathering(probably his last) around 1983-when he was selling the "Leninist"-us Straight Lefters were convinced that the "Leninist" although clearly linked to the Turkish Yurocoglu outfit Iscinen Sesi, were also sounding suspiciously like Sparts, were there any connections??
I also recollect that some of the more attractive "Leninist" inclined female comrades, and there were surprisingly a good few, were not averse to a bit more relaxed social banter and a chat over a drink or three in stark contrast to the males who were 100% nutjobs-were they flirty fishing??-was the Leninist sufficiently cult-like to adopt this tactic?Incidentally this was noticed as trait of Spart behaviour too..but then again were'nt we just all so young and good looking back then? Incidentally did anyone hear the story about Straight Lefter Gary Lefley pissing all over Martin Jacques (literally) at a National Congress?
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Albert Inkpin
Albert Inkpin

April 14th, 2005, 10:49 am #5

I think you're probably right though "Harry" was getting increasingly bored with the "formers" site a long time before he actually pulled the plug on it. He stopped editing out the spam or the juvenile nonsense from "Bazarov" and once he discovered the ego-joys of the bloggosphere he never looked back.

On the "formers" site he originally posed as a disallusioned former member of Straight Left that still supported Cuban-style socialism. But on other message-boards he was already developing an anti-Muslim line that became a blatant apology for imperialism after 9/11.

Curiously enough his early vendetta against the Weedy Wanker provoked a lot of speculation amongst their tiny band about his identity even though John Chamberlain must surely have bumped into "Harry" when they were both in the old YCL.

Last year another blogger claimed that "Harry" was someone called "Simon Brunning". Though I have never met "Harry" I always thought he was another "Simon" altogether...

Donald Maclean
Cambridge
You can read some of Harry's comments from May 2001 here:

http://www.redaction.org/backchat/may_01.html

I thought this bit was an early example of his move to the right.

Most white people think that the police have been letting Pakistani youth get away with actions that white youths would be banged up for without a second thought - and they have a point.

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Challenger
Challenger

May 21st, 2005, 1:22 pm #6

I am not sure that "Harry" and Chamberlain would be contemporaneous-I did'nt know "Harry" but he was matey with a guy who I did know who was active in Tyneside YCL called let us say "M" -they were both at Newcastle Uni-now "M" was of a slightly older vintage than "Harry" M. being a circa 1984-1987 model, whereas "Harry" came in when "M" was reaching the end of his uni-days(around 87 I guess).I think Chamberlain had already moved on from the YCL-because I seem to recall seeing him at a YCL national gathering(probably his last) around 1983-when he was selling the "Leninist"-us Straight Lefters were convinced that the "Leninist" although clearly linked to the Turkish Yurocoglu outfit Iscinen Sesi, were also sounding suspiciously like Sparts, were there any connections??
I also recollect that some of the more attractive "Leninist" inclined female comrades, and there were surprisingly a good few, were not averse to a bit more relaxed social banter and a chat over a drink or three in stark contrast to the males who were 100% nutjobs-were they flirty fishing??-was the Leninist sufficiently cult-like to adopt this tactic?Incidentally this was noticed as trait of Spart behaviour too..but then again were'nt we just all so young and good looking back then? Incidentally did anyone hear the story about Straight Lefter Gary Lefley pissing all over Martin Jacques (literally) at a National Congress?
Harry gets some free advertising copy in todays London Times.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0, ... 33,00.html
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Mediaman
Mediaman

June 12th, 2005, 4:49 pm #7

You can read some of Harry's comments from May 2001 here:

http://www.redaction.org/backchat/may_01.html

I thought this bit was an early example of his move to the right.

Most white people think that the police have been letting Pakistani youth get away with actions that white youths would be banged up for without a second thought - and they have a point.
and as late as 2002 "Harry" was still posing as some sort of communist ...

"For those of you who haven't come across me in various far-left online forums, let me introduce myself. I am a communist. The proper sort mind, not a trendy 'eurocommunist' not some career-minded 'reform communist', not a former communist turned government or World Bank adviser (you know who you are!).
Yep, I am a good old fashioned commie. Give me a bottle of rum, a Cuban beach and a hammer and sickle and I'm your man."
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passing through
passing through

August 3rd, 2005, 11:22 am #8

I think you're probably right though "Harry" was getting increasingly bored with the "formers" site a long time before he actually pulled the plug on it. He stopped editing out the spam or the juvenile nonsense from "Bazarov" and once he discovered the ego-joys of the bloggosphere he never looked back.

On the "formers" site he originally posed as a disallusioned former member of Straight Left that still supported Cuban-style socialism. But on other message-boards he was already developing an anti-Muslim line that became a blatant apology for imperialism after 9/11.

Curiously enough his early vendetta against the Weedy Wanker provoked a lot of speculation amongst their tiny band about his identity even though John Chamberlain must surely have bumped into "Harry" when they were both in the old YCL.

Last year another blogger claimed that "Harry" was someone called "Simon Brunning". Though I have never met "Harry" I always thought he was another "Simon" altogether...

Donald Maclean
Cambridge
would that be Simon Evans, once of Newcastle YCL, now of Reuters newsagency in Italy, and as concerned to guard his anonymity as he is to smear others?
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Albert Inkpin
Albert Inkpin

August 4th, 2005, 7:04 am #9

I think you're probably right though "Harry" was getting increasingly bored with the "formers" site a long time before he actually pulled the plug on it. He stopped editing out the spam or the juvenile nonsense from "Bazarov" and once he discovered the ego-joys of the bloggosphere he never looked back.

On the "formers" site he originally posed as a disallusioned former member of Straight Left that still supported Cuban-style socialism. But on other message-boards he was already developing an anti-Muslim line that became a blatant apology for imperialism after 9/11.

Curiously enough his early vendetta against the Weedy Wanker provoked a lot of speculation amongst their tiny band about his identity even though John Chamberlain must surely have bumped into "Harry" when they were both in the old YCL.

Last year another blogger claimed that "Harry" was someone called "Simon Brunning". Though I have never met "Harry" I always thought he was another "Simon" altogether...

Donald Maclean
Cambridge
Isn't his real name Fergus Nicholson?

Albert
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passing through
passing through

August 4th, 2005, 8:21 am #10

That was the "Harry Steel" who ran Straight Left. The "Harry Steel" who ran the original former communists board, and now runs Harry's Place is no more Fergus Nicholson than you are Albert Inkpin. Whatever has happened to Fergus, I doubt very much if he has become a pro-war, pro-Bush islamophobe. As for Simon Evans...
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