"The Lesser Evil"

"The Lesser Evil"

Joined: January 6th, 2010, 9:32 am

November 6th, 2012, 8:47 am #1

Joint Initiative of the Parties that participate in the International Communist Review



On the presidential elections on November in the US.


Facing the presidential elections in the US country which holds a place in the pinnacle of imperialism, and in the imperialist organizations and unions (NATO, IMF, World Bank etc) - the workers and communist parties, that subscribe, express the following:


The economic crisis of capitalism marks the elections: devaluation of labor force, unemployment, decrease of the standard of living of the working class and immigrants, rising of racist discourse and attacks, also the dangerous tendency towards war.

Among the candidates of the Democrat and Republican parties, Obama and Romney, inter-monopoly disputes as well as contradictions in the administration of capitalism and crisis are expressed, but neither of them is an alternative for the working class and the middle strata. And both of them have the support of the monopoly groups. The anticommunist attack of the Republican candidate against the Democrat does not express anything but populist demagogy appealing to the reactionary and conservative vote, nevertheless it produces confusion as it introduces the liberal position of the so called lesser evil.

During Obamas dwelling in the White House monopolies have benefitted from rescues to avoid bankruptcy, assaulting workers, not only with impoverishment and unemployment, but with the usage of public funds in detriment of pensions, health care, social funds, etc.

The shades between Obama and Romney must not type-cast North American workers into the fake disjunctive of choosing the lesser evil. The rhetoric of differences between them turns to dust when confronted with the facts.

Obama, the Nobel prize winner, continues the policy of war in Middle East, the military intervention of imperialist troops to reorganize the sacking of natural resources and exploitation of labor that monopolies practice. Linked to his predecessor Bush, in Iraq andAfghanistan, he has taken military aggression to Libya, Syria and now is seriously destabilizing world peace with the plans against Iran. In Latin America, Honduras and Paraguay are the signs of the return to antidemocratic coup-tendencies. He has confirmed ties with the Israeli government against the legitimate rights of the Palestinian people. It continues the criminal blockade against the cuban people and the illegal Guantanamo military base, where outrageous human rights violations are perpetrated every day.



In the domestic life of the US, the Obama policy around the much-publicized Medicare essentially opened up new fields for the commercial exploitation of health and for the profitability of the monopoly groups as is demonstrated by the recent purchase of Amerigroup Corp. by WellPoint, while cutbacks are being made to any basic services for the poorest strata. The constant assault against the welfare and the stance in relation to migrant workers, are elements that allow us to assure that it was all about vane electoral promises to attract the liberal electorate, to which the class forces regrettably joined.

The fact that US monopolys power, North American State, does not admit spaces in its democratic façade for working class representatives must be denounced. It is very negative that an autonomous and independent position of the US working class is not expressed.

The class character of both parties binds them in view of capitalist crisis to prepare a program of more aggressions against working class, American people, and the peoples of the world. We consider that the fake dilemma of avoiding the triumph of the ultra-right supporting the less right-wing must be rejected. Whoever may win, monopolies win, and illusions must not be sowed among the US working class. On the contrary, knowing beforehand what the content of the next government will be a struggle against all the savage attacks must be prepared, a struggle against the sacrifices that monopoly power will try to impose, a confrontation that must spark since the first minute of the next government. We have great faith in the US proletariat, in its ability to recover the glorious traditions of the class and communist movement, of John Reed, William Foster, Gus Hall and struggle for its objectives of emancipation and new life, for socialism-communism.

¡Workers of the world, Unite!

Workers' Party of Belgium

Communist Party of Greece

Hungarian Communist Workers' Party

Socialist Party of Latvia

Communist Party of Luxembourg

Communist Party of Mexico

Communist Workers Party of Russia - Revolution Party of Communists (RKRP-RPC)

Communist Party of the Peoples of Spain

Communist Party of Turkey

Union of Communists of Ukraine

Communist Party of Venezuela


Communist Party in Denmark, KPiD
Philippine Communist Party [PKP-1930]
New Communist Party of Yugoslavia
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November 6th, 2012, 1:01 pm #2

This seems to stop short of saying that Americans should not vote, or at any rate should not vote for either of these two candidates - or is this the implied recommendation? If so, this would suggest that having a President who thinks that the Israeli capital should be moved to Jerusalem, who believes that gay marriage and abortion should be banned, that the wishes of the NRA regarding arms should be fully satisfied, that religious symbols should be allowed in state schools, that medicaire should be cut back or abolished, etc etc etc, is neither here nor there. I have no hard quarrel with what the statement outlines as its objections to Obama and the democrats, but saying that it matters not whether they, or the Republicans, hold power, does seem like what we used to call ultra leftism. Not voting surely just suggests that one is so happy with things as they are that one cannot be bothered. If the communists go along with all this, then what is keeping them apart from the Trots?
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paul fauvet
paul fauvet

November 6th, 2012, 4:41 pm #3

The idea that it doesn't matter which one of two bourgeois candidate wins is classic ultra-leftism. It's basically what the Comintern argued in the early 1930s, with disastrous results.

This declaration reminds me of the Maoist chant one sometimes heard on demonstrations in the late 1960s:

"Labour, tory, both the same
Both playing the imperialist game".

Regrettably, there is no serious left candidate in the US election, and so I can see no option for communists other than urging a vote for Obama. Not because we expect Obama to introduce socialism, or even social-democracy, but because he will not be as disastrous for American workers, or for the rest of the world, as Romney would be. In particular, Romney is much more likely to launch a military attack on Iran.
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November 6th, 2012, 5:00 pm #4

This seems to stop short of saying that Americans should not vote, or at any rate should not vote for either of these two candidates - or is this the implied recommendation? If so, this would suggest that having a President who thinks that the Israeli capital should be moved to Jerusalem, who believes that gay marriage and abortion should be banned, that the wishes of the NRA regarding arms should be fully satisfied, that religious symbols should be allowed in state schools, that medicaire should be cut back or abolished, etc etc etc, is neither here nor there. I have no hard quarrel with what the statement outlines as its objections to Obama and the democrats, but saying that it matters not whether they, or the Republicans, hold power, does seem like what we used to call ultra leftism. Not voting surely just suggests that one is so happy with things as they are that one cannot be bothered. If the communists go along with all this, then what is keeping them apart from the Trots?
Here are some more people who are opposed to "the lesser evil":

CHRISTIANS MUST TAKE A STAND AND
SAY "NO" TO SATAN THIS NOVEMBER!!!

CLICK HERE NOW TO SIGN UP TO VOTE FOR JESUS

"If you ever forget the LORD your God and follow other gods and worship and bow down to them, I testify against you today that you will surely be destroyed. Like the nations the LORD destroyed before you, so you will be destroyed for not obeying the LORD your God." Deut 8:19,20 "The Israelites persisted in all the sins of Jeroboam and did not turn away from them until the Lord removed them from his presence, as he had warned through all his servants the prophets. So the people of Israel were taken from their homeland into exile in Assyria, and they are still there." 2 Kings 17:22,23

It is time for Christians, true followers of Jesus Christ, to rise up and say NO to satan this November! As I prophetically shared last November, if God allowed the upcoming election for President to be between President Obama and Mitt Romney, it would truly be satan flipping a two-headed coin with his head on both sides!

President Obama has proven by his words and deeds to be a true enemy of God as detailed in James 4:4. He has been the most pro-death President in history, supporting the legalized slaughter of innocent babies here and around the world, he is a staunch advocate of the radical homosexual agenda, and he has been a great friend to the enemies of Israel. On every major spiritual issue of the day, President Obama has proven to be an enemy of God and a true tool of satan!

Former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney is a 5th generation member and a priest in the satanically inspired Mormon cult. He and others in his cult LIE when they claim to be Christians, since Mormon doctrine is 100% inconsistent with Biblical Christianity and a Mormon is no more a Christian than a Muslim is. He deceives people by saying he believes in "God" and "Jesus" is his savior, when the "god" of Romney's cult is NOT the God of the Bible, and their "jesus" is NOT the Jesus of the Bible. Romney and those in his cult believe the Bible to be a flawed and incomplete book and look at Biblical Christians as inferior and non-believers for rejecting the beliefs of their cult.

If President Obama is re-elected, his anti-American, socialist policies will continue, as will his attacks on Christianity and Christian churches. He will continue to support abortion, homosexuality, the enemies of Israel. How can a true follower of Christ vote in good conscience for a man who has proven to be a true enemy of God and His Word and will continue to be so in his next term?

If Mitt Romney is elected, he will be the fulfillment of his cult's polygamist, pedophile, racist, con artist, murdering founder Joseph Smith's "White Horse" prophecy that Romney and all Mormon's believe. That prophecy says that the United States will facing great economic and social unrest, a Mormon will be elected President, declare a national emergency and set aside the US Constitution and enact a Mormon theocracy. That may sound impossible, but ever since he was at BYU, Romney was called by his inner circle "the chosen one" to fulfill their cult's prophecy.

Aside from the 'White Horse" prophecy, Romney's cult is very aggressive in seeking converts to their beliefs. They have been preparing for the past year for a Romney Presidency, and conservative estimates are that over 1 million people in this country alone will become part of his cult without him having to ever say a word. Just by being the President, his cult will finally gain the mainstream acceptance they have never been able to attain. For Christians, that means 1 million plus people will buy into the lies of Romney's cult, die, and their souls burn in hell for all eternity! How can a true follower of Christ vote in good conscience for a man whose cult will help send 1 million plus souls to hell?

Sadly, most Christians are so appalled at President Obama's opposition to God on every major spiritual issue of the day, they are willing to put politics above souls. The justification is that Romney is the lesser of two evils. My friend, the lesser of two evils is still EVIL!
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Ordinary Proletarian(cameo role)
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November 6th, 2012, 6:46 pm #5

This seems to stop short of saying that Americans should not vote, or at any rate should not vote for either of these two candidates - or is this the implied recommendation? If so, this would suggest that having a President who thinks that the Israeli capital should be moved to Jerusalem, who believes that gay marriage and abortion should be banned, that the wishes of the NRA regarding arms should be fully satisfied, that religious symbols should be allowed in state schools, that medicaire should be cut back or abolished, etc etc etc, is neither here nor there. I have no hard quarrel with what the statement outlines as its objections to Obama and the democrats, but saying that it matters not whether they, or the Republicans, hold power, does seem like what we used to call ultra leftism. Not voting surely just suggests that one is so happy with things as they are that one cannot be bothered. If the communists go along with all this, then what is keeping them apart from the Trots?
The modern revisionists of the CPUSA are supporting Obama or O Bore ma (some refer to him by his initials BO) . I believe that in the past the CPUSA also supported Kennedy and were criticised by the CPC for doing so . However for 2 decades the CPUSA run their own candidates starting with Charlene Mitchell in 1968.
Supporting the Democrats is even worse than supporting the Labour party here which is bad enough in itself.
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Ordinary Proletarian(cameo role)
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November 6th, 2012, 6:47 pm #6

Joint Initiative of the Parties that participate in the International Communist Review



On the presidential elections on November in the US.


Facing the presidential elections in the US country which holds a place in the pinnacle of imperialism, and in the imperialist organizations and unions (NATO, IMF, World Bank etc) - the workers and communist parties, that subscribe, express the following:


The economic crisis of capitalism marks the elections: devaluation of labor force, unemployment, decrease of the standard of living of the working class and immigrants, rising of racist discourse and attacks, also the dangerous tendency towards war.

Among the candidates of the Democrat and Republican parties, Obama and Romney, inter-monopoly disputes as well as contradictions in the administration of capitalism and crisis are expressed, but neither of them is an alternative for the working class and the middle strata. And both of them have the support of the monopoly groups. The anticommunist attack of the Republican candidate against the Democrat does not express anything but populist demagogy appealing to the reactionary and conservative vote, nevertheless it produces confusion as it introduces the liberal position of the so called lesser evil.

During Obamas dwelling in the White House monopolies have benefitted from rescues to avoid bankruptcy, assaulting workers, not only with impoverishment and unemployment, but with the usage of public funds in detriment of pensions, health care, social funds, etc.

The shades between Obama and Romney must not type-cast North American workers into the fake disjunctive of choosing the lesser evil. The rhetoric of differences between them turns to dust when confronted with the facts.

Obama, the Nobel prize winner, continues the policy of war in Middle East, the military intervention of imperialist troops to reorganize the sacking of natural resources and exploitation of labor that monopolies practice. Linked to his predecessor Bush, in Iraq andAfghanistan, he has taken military aggression to Libya, Syria and now is seriously destabilizing world peace with the plans against Iran. In Latin America, Honduras and Paraguay are the signs of the return to antidemocratic coup-tendencies. He has confirmed ties with the Israeli government against the legitimate rights of the Palestinian people. It continues the criminal blockade against the cuban people and the illegal Guantanamo military base, where outrageous human rights violations are perpetrated every day.



In the domestic life of the US, the Obama policy around the much-publicized Medicare essentially opened up new fields for the commercial exploitation of health and for the profitability of the monopoly groups as is demonstrated by the recent purchase of Amerigroup Corp. by WellPoint, while cutbacks are being made to any basic services for the poorest strata. The constant assault against the welfare and the stance in relation to migrant workers, are elements that allow us to assure that it was all about vane electoral promises to attract the liberal electorate, to which the class forces regrettably joined.

The fact that US monopolys power, North American State, does not admit spaces in its democratic façade for working class representatives must be denounced. It is very negative that an autonomous and independent position of the US working class is not expressed.

The class character of both parties binds them in view of capitalist crisis to prepare a program of more aggressions against working class, American people, and the peoples of the world. We consider that the fake dilemma of avoiding the triumph of the ultra-right supporting the less right-wing must be rejected. Whoever may win, monopolies win, and illusions must not be sowed among the US working class. On the contrary, knowing beforehand what the content of the next government will be a struggle against all the savage attacks must be prepared, a struggle against the sacrifices that monopoly power will try to impose, a confrontation that must spark since the first minute of the next government. We have great faith in the US proletariat, in its ability to recover the glorious traditions of the class and communist movement, of John Reed, William Foster, Gus Hall and struggle for its objectives of emancipation and new life, for socialism-communism.

¡Workers of the world, Unite!

Workers' Party of Belgium

Communist Party of Greece

Hungarian Communist Workers' Party

Socialist Party of Latvia

Communist Party of Luxembourg

Communist Party of Mexico

Communist Workers Party of Russia - Revolution Party of Communists (RKRP-RPC)

Communist Party of the Peoples of Spain

Communist Party of Turkey

Union of Communists of Ukraine

Communist Party of Venezuela


Communist Party in Denmark, KPiD
Philippine Communist Party [PKP-1930]
New Communist Party of Yugoslavia
Oi (or Hey) Cuban Pete is this statement on a website or list somewhere ?
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November 6th, 2012, 11:00 pm #7

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November 7th, 2012, 9:18 am #8

The modern revisionists of the CPUSA are supporting Obama or O Bore ma (some refer to him by his initials BO) . I believe that in the past the CPUSA also supported Kennedy and were criticised by the CPC for doing so . However for 2 decades the CPUSA run their own candidates starting with Charlene Mitchell in 1968.
Supporting the Democrats is even worse than supporting the Labour party here which is bad enough in itself.
Back to childish games with names, eh OP? What is it that's irritating you? Dermatitis? And as always, you are missing the point. I doubt if many contributors to this forum would disagree to a large extent with the political characterisation of Obama in the statement of the communist parties. But the point is: faced with a choice between Romney and Obama, should US voters have abstained? Or voted for Obama? Your post suggests that they should have abstained, and that the same is true in the UK: faced with a choice between the tories, the libdems and labour, those on the left should not vote. How happy that would make the tories!

There are long-standing issues about strategies for dealing with such situations, and they need to be discussed and rediscussed in the light of experience, of course. But if we are talking about revisionism, then it's time for you to brush up on your Leninism. Try "Left-wing communism: an infantile disorder". That's as clear a position against such abstentianist electoral politics as you can get. And I resent someone who supports a state that has replaced the leading role of the working class with rule by the army, the hereditary principle, and the use of religious imagery to describe leaders, calling other people revisionists. But you don't get it, do you? (Time for a joke about my name or the fact that I was a professor - your normal way out of a corner.)

Of course you may be more familiar with the system in the DPRK, which allowed foreigners to learn about who the next ruler of the state would be before those DPRK citizens who would later be told who they had democratically elected.
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November 7th, 2012, 10:02 am #9

Oi (or Hey) Cuban Pete is this statement on a website or list somewhere ?
I am glad you asked this OP(CR) as I had some doubts about posting material which is easily available on the KKE website.
To find this, simply type KKE into Google or use this link:http://inter.kke.gr/
The KKE should be congratulated on the service they provide with this site which is in several languages and includes news, documents, an archive and so on.
The article that prompted you to inquire about this seems to have started some discussion, although this needs to go deeper into the subject. For my money, arguments of the type "this is classic ultraleftism" or "this was the position of the comintern when..." are weakened by the fact that such arguments do not address the tasks facing communist parties today.
Are the situations the same or are their differences. This too needs to be discussed.
Some of this was discussed previously in relation to KKE arguments about "the blind alley of left unity" in recent debates about the elections in Greece. There is plenty about this on the website and I refer you to these materials if you are interested.
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Harsanyi_Janos
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November 7th, 2012, 8:02 pm #10

"The KKE should be congratulated on the service they provide with this site which is in several languages and includes news, documents, an archive and so on."

Their English language website is excellent.
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