Skeptic
Skeptic

January 5th, 2011, 9:44 pm #41

I know I am spot on "kamerad"... You know who I am and I know who you are.
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Harsanyi_Janos
Harsanyi_Janos

January 5th, 2011, 10:08 pm #42

Its not Kamerad -- but Genosse. Kamerad just means "mate" or "pal".
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Francis King
Francis King

January 6th, 2011, 9:03 am #43

First time I made that mistake, I was severely told off (by Ian Merrilees - a great comrade; anyone remember him?) who informed me that "Kamerad" was the term for comrade favoured by the Nazi Party. That would probably not have been a good mistake to make in Germany...
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Lev Kamenev
Lev Kamenev

January 6th, 2011, 9:39 am #44

Lev, I don't think Joan Bellamy, Ron Bellamy or Pete Ritman were members of the EC after the 1997 congress.
That reduces the list to 7 (out of 30) EC members who left the party sometime after Hicks' replacement. 23% is even further way from the "almost half" claimed by Hicks - and none of them were "forced out".
Perhaps a case of Statistics, Damned Statistics and Mike Hicks.
Some EC members (as many as 6) who initially voted for him to remain as General Secretary did not resign from the EC or the party.
Yes you may be right on a couple of those, Ron B for one I may be mistaken about, but I was fairly sure Joan B was still on the EC. I don't see that the Star or CPB website carry the EC lists that far back. In any case, Sceptic seems to have failed to come up with any new names.
The dogs bark, the caravan moves on, as they say.
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Kim Philby
Kim Philby

January 6th, 2011, 11:12 am #45

First time I made that mistake, I was severely told off (by Ian Merrilees - a great comrade; anyone remember him?) who informed me that "Kamerad" was the term for comrade favoured by the Nazi Party. That would probably not have been a good mistake to make in Germany...
I thought "volksgenosse" or "racial comrade" was the chosen form of address amongst German Nazis.

pip,pip,


H A R Philby
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Mediaman
Mediaman

January 6th, 2011, 1:56 pm #46

Yes you may be right on a couple of those, Ron B for one I may be mistaken about, but I was fairly sure Joan B was still on the EC. I don't see that the Star or CPB website carry the EC lists that far back. In any case, Sceptic seems to have failed to come up with any new names.
The dogs bark, the caravan moves on, as they say.
though it takes a long time to get to the point:

http://www.cpgb.org.uk/article.php?article_id=1004219
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Francis King
Francis King

January 6th, 2011, 7:19 pm #47

I thought "volksgenosse" or "racial comrade" was the chosen form of address amongst German Nazis.

pip,pip,


H A R Philby
(Col.ret'd)
You may well be right on that. Any native German speakers around to help?
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Harsanyi_Janos
Harsanyi_Janos

January 6th, 2011, 8:12 pm #48

I thought "volksgenosse" or "racial comrade" was the chosen form of address amongst German Nazis.

pip,pip,


H A R Philby
(Col.ret'd)
I usually think of Kamerad as being a common address between soldiers. I'm sure it was popular amongst Freikorps members too and from there perhaps to early Nazi party members.

I think Volksgenosse has a slightly different meaning as it appears in Point 4 of the 1920 Nazi Party 25 Point Program:

In Punkt 4 des 25-Punkte-Programms der Nationalsozialistischen Deutschen Arbeiterpartei (NSDAP) von 1920 war festgelegt: Staatsbürger kann nur sein, wer Volksgenosse ist. Volksgenosse kann nur sein, wer deutschen Blutes ist, ohne Rücksichtnahme auf die Konfession. Kein Jude kann daher Volksgenosse sein.

Roughly -- A citizen can only be one who is a a member of the race (racial comrade) and a member of the race can only be one of German blood -- regardless of faith. No Jew can be a member of the race.

It thus seems that Volksgenosse was intended to incorporate all ethnic Germans -- not just NSDAP members. However, to the extent that the NSDAP aspired to be a totalitarian party, this might be a distinction without a difference as they say.
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Derek Acorah
Derek Acorah

January 7th, 2011, 7:03 am #49

though it takes a long time to get to the point:

http://www.cpgb.org.uk/article.php?article_id=1004219
"This is dangerous territory for the CPB. The organisation presents itself as the continuation of the official CPGB."
This reminds me of the American joke about a message inside the Chinese fortune cookie, "Help! I'm trapped inside a Chinese cookie factory."
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Eye witness
Eye witness

January 10th, 2011, 3:26 pm #50

Two points regarding the above, and some new information:

1. Skeptic claims to know who I am, having failed to substantiate any of his/her recycled Hicks-Rosser material dressed up as an "innocent" search for the truth. If s/he does, s/he would know that I have never been a member, supporter or sympathiser with Straight Left. I opposed their voting strategy at the PPPS AGMs before 1988 and many of their "flagship" policies (eg. on electoral strategy); I have never attended, or been invited to attend, their events, given them money or sold their paper (although I bought it a few times); and I supported re-establishment of the party in 1988 (which Straight Left opposed). If you know me, then you know this is true. But I suspect you are bullshitting as usual, having failed to substantiate any of your other "speculations" on this thread.
As for me supposedly knowing who Skeptic is - I haven't a clue, and couldn't care less.

2. In response to another point above: Joan Bellamy didn't get elected to the CPB executive at the 1997 congress.

According to the 1997 Congress Report, the following 13 were elected to the EC and - without wishing to misrepresent any of them - I believe voted for Mike Hicks at the January 1988 EC meeting:

Ron Bellamy - left party, no disciplinary action
Barney Crockett - ditto
Mike Hicks - ditto
Francis Wilcox - ditto
Andrew Clark - ditto
Mary Rosser - ditto
Tish Newland - ditto
Paul Corry - ditto (after resigning as Press Officer)
Monty Goldman - later elected Treasurer, still a party member
Tommy Morrison - still an EC member
Ian Morrison - remained on EC and in the party
Gill Thackary - don't know what happened to her, but no disciplinary action
Geoff Bottoms - still a party member, on the EC until recently
Pete Ritman - suspended then expelled (my mistake about him no longer being on the EC).

So that's 1 forced off the EC out of 30 (not quite "almost 50%" is it), and another 8 or 9 leaving the EC and the party. At least 4 of the 13 who voted for Hicks changed their view within months after seeing the evidence of falsification and misappropriation in black and white.
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