How the hidden hand works?

How the hidden hand works?

Donald Duart Maclean
Donald Duart Maclean

March 16th, 2010, 7:46 pm #1

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Harsanyi_Janos
Harsanyi_Janos

March 16th, 2010, 8:32 pm #2

"When your target is a man, it is just a matter of becoming his best friend. If your target is a woman, that becomes impossible."

Subtle sexism of said hidden hand. I assume from the article that the officer was involved with the Anti-Nazi League. If so he is rather exaggerating their combativeness.
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Guy Burgess
Guy Burgess

March 17th, 2010, 12:31 pm #3

It appears he had infiltrated Militant's Youth Against Racism in Europe movement while posing as a member of a small Trot student group called the "Revolutionary Internationalist League".

The Socialist Party's response is reported here:

http://averypublicsociologist.blogspot. ... ation.html

along with correspondence that gives some more details about the plant's work.

It's interesting to note what "Officer A" doesn't say like how he liaised with his controller, what he told his "comrades" he did for a living or what was in it for him (I presume money and promotion). And it's equally interesting to speculate at the motive behind the timing of his revelations. Some SPers link it with the upsurge of violence around the racist EDL and that its possibly intended as a subliminal warning to all those on both sides that the Branch is everywhere.

Guy Burgess
Eton & Cambridge
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paul fauvet
paul fauvet

March 17th, 2010, 2:57 pm #4

This agent provocateur is grossly exaggerating his own importance and that of the group he infiltrated.

He talks of heavy drinking Trotskyists, with a virulent hatred of the police, working six days a week on their politics. I've certainly never met any Trotskyists like that!

And his handlers decided to send him into the Militant, well known as the most terminally boring group on the far left, far more interested in selling their dreadful paper than in fighting the police.

I suppose agents have to talk up their own significance just to justify their wages. The state is getting a very poor deal, since there's very little an agent can tell them that they couldn't have learnt from the left wing press (and, nowadays, from left websites).

Furthermore, the record shows that, in the vast majority of cases, it is the police who attack demonstrators and not the other way round. That was certainly my experience in the 1970s.
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media scum
media scum

March 17th, 2010, 4:23 pm #5

It appears he had infiltrated Militant's Youth Against Racism in Europe movement while posing as a member of a small Trot student group called the "Revolutionary Internationalist League".

The Socialist Party's response is reported here:

http://averypublicsociologist.blogspot. ... ation.html

along with correspondence that gives some more details about the plant's work.

It's interesting to note what "Officer A" doesn't say like how he liaised with his controller, what he told his "comrades" he did for a living or what was in it for him (I presume money and promotion). And it's equally interesting to speculate at the motive behind the timing of his revelations. Some SPers link it with the upsurge of violence around the racist EDL and that its possibly intended as a subliminal warning to all those on both sides that the Branch is everywhere.

Guy Burgess
Eton & Cambridge
The group her infiltrated was 'Youth Aginst Racism in Europe' a rather cumbersomely titled RSL Militant front goups. The puritanism of Militant and their adherence to ultra Labourism meant that they would walk away from any aggro on the streets. As with the SPGB, 'come the revolution, the gutters wil be running with milky tea'
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Harsanyi_Janos
Harsanyi_Janos

March 17th, 2010, 7:40 pm #6

This agent provocateur is grossly exaggerating his own importance and that of the group he infiltrated.

He talks of heavy drinking Trotskyists, with a virulent hatred of the police, working six days a week on their politics. I've certainly never met any Trotskyists like that!

And his handlers decided to send him into the Militant, well known as the most terminally boring group on the far left, far more interested in selling their dreadful paper than in fighting the police.

I suppose agents have to talk up their own significance just to justify their wages. The state is getting a very poor deal, since there's very little an agent can tell them that they couldn't have learnt from the left wing press (and, nowadays, from left websites).

Furthermore, the record shows that, in the vast majority of cases, it is the police who attack demonstrators and not the other way round. That was certainly my experience in the 1970s.
I have met heavy drinking Trots but few hard working ones.
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Kim Philby
Kim Philby

March 18th, 2010, 1:31 am #7

The group her infiltrated was 'Youth Aginst Racism in Europe' a rather cumbersomely titled RSL Militant front goups. The puritanism of Militant and their adherence to ultra Labourism meant that they would walk away from any aggro on the streets. As with the SPGB, 'come the revolution, the gutters wil be running with milky tea'
I rarely see eye to eye with Fauvet but I am inclined to agree with his view that this former copper is grossly exaggerating his role and I can't see why the former Militants who worked with "Officer A" haven't revealed his full assumed name. That at least could then be checked with Officer A's claim that he was assigned the name of someone long deceased. Can't see why he would need that sort of cover anyway except to provide him with a genuine NI number. But if Militant security was capable of running that sort of check (which I seriously doubt) they would equally have been capable of discovering the death certificate of the real "Peter".

"Officer A" clearly did work undercover for some years in YARE as this has been confirmed by some of the activists who have recognised his description in the interview. But it begs the question why?

Militant, like the rest of the left, must have been crawling with informers in the 1970s. Why would the Branch need to send someone in? I could understand it if YARE was a maverick group within the Tendency, but no one has suggested this.

There's further background info here:

http://brockley.blogspot.com/2010/03/co ... p-and.html


The timing is, as Burgess suggests, significant. It not only coincides with the upsurge of violence around the EDL but also the general election but if it is Special Branch psychops the only motive I can think of is that they possibly think it will boost recruitment to the Met like those silly SIS recruitment ads on the Tube these days.

pip,pip,

H A R Philby
(Col.ret'd)

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Harsanyi_Janos
Harsanyi_Janos

March 18th, 2010, 1:49 am #8

"the only motive I can think of is that they possibly think it will boost recruitment to the Met like those silly SIS recruitment ads on the Tube these days."

I am sure the agent greatly exaggerated his role; however, it still sounds terribly boring. I cannot imagine anyone being attracted by this kind of work. Pretending to be a trotskyist, drinking cheap beer in the student union of a FE college and living in a spartan flat. Very strange.
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Guy Burgess
Guy Burgess

March 18th, 2010, 12:16 pm #9

Full name now given by former YARE (or YRE as she calls it) secretary, Hannah Sell, in an article in today's Guardian:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... ration-yre


Guy Burgess
Eton & Cambridge
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mediaman
mediaman

April 15th, 2010, 9:58 am #10

Resume and comment from the Trotskyist WSWS this month:

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2010/apr20 ... -a15.shtml
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