A spectre is haunting the CPB

A spectre is haunting the CPB

Fly on the wall
Fly on the wall

January 4th, 2008, 2:06 pm #1

It looks like the ghost of Respect has not been totally laid to rest.

Despite having been voted down by the CPB Special Congress a while back, the debate has been rumbling on. Clearly Alan Thornett has picked up on the vibes being sent out by Robert Griffiths, and, now that the SWP thorn has been removed from the Respect flesh, he is looking for a new "liaison dangereuse".

Mr Griffiths will be pleased, but Mr Foster will not.

http://liammacuaid.wordpress.com/2008/0 ... n-respect/

"The strength of Respect Renewal, however ­ which was never the case with the original Respect under the SWP ­ is that it is serious about approaching other sections of the left such as the trade union left and the CPB about a wider regroupment of forces to tackle the crisis of working class representation. It is serious when it says that it does not see itself as the answer but only one component of the answer. It means it when it says that if it is possible to move towards a wider regroupment that it would put no organisational preconditions in the way. Its only precondition would be that it would represent a step forwards in building the kind of new party the working class needs in order to respond to the betrayals of social democracy."
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Kim Philby
Kim Philby

January 4th, 2008, 3:19 pm #2

...calling for a CPB joint left slate with Respect Renewal in the London elections, I hear.


pip,pip,


H A R Philby
(Col.ret'd)
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Ordinary Stasi agent.
Ordinary Stasi agent.

January 4th, 2008, 3:37 pm #3

It looks like the ghost of Respect has not been totally laid to rest.

Despite having been voted down by the CPB Special Congress a while back, the debate has been rumbling on. Clearly Alan Thornett has picked up on the vibes being sent out by Robert Griffiths, and, now that the SWP thorn has been removed from the Respect flesh, he is looking for a new "liaison dangereuse".

Mr Griffiths will be pleased, but Mr Foster will not.

http://liammacuaid.wordpress.com/2008/0 ... n-respect/

"The strength of Respect Renewal, however ­ which was never the case with the original Respect under the SWP ­ is that it is serious about approaching other sections of the left such as the trade union left and the CPB about a wider regroupment of forces to tackle the crisis of working class representation. It is serious when it says that it does not see itself as the answer but only one component of the answer. It means it when it says that if it is possible to move towards a wider regroupment that it would put no organisational preconditions in the way. Its only precondition would be that it would represent a step forwards in building the kind of new party the working class needs in order to respond to the betrayals of social democracy."
Some people just don't get it. The CPB's attitude to the crisis of labour representation - and what to do about it - is well documented in is own literature. Nevertheless one or two pundits on this site love to natt away at what they see as some incipient split just moments away from cracking open.
It is as if they think that the leadership of the CPB is so poorly grounded in reality that it - or some part of it - might suddenly make some sort of infantile ultra-leftist slip, and bolt away into pastures new.
I think you will find that the General secretary of the CPB and the CPB in general has too much political maturity for this.
If you are looking for ultra-leftist hysterics the CPB is not the place to be.
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Pa UBU
Pa UBU

January 4th, 2008, 4:14 pm #4

It looks like the ghost of Respect has not been totally laid to rest.

Despite having been voted down by the CPB Special Congress a while back, the debate has been rumbling on. Clearly Alan Thornett has picked up on the vibes being sent out by Robert Griffiths, and, now that the SWP thorn has been removed from the Respect flesh, he is looking for a new "liaison dangereuse".

Mr Griffiths will be pleased, but Mr Foster will not.

http://liammacuaid.wordpress.com/2008/0 ... n-respect/

"The strength of Respect Renewal, however ­ which was never the case with the original Respect under the SWP ­ is that it is serious about approaching other sections of the left such as the trade union left and the CPB about a wider regroupment of forces to tackle the crisis of working class representation. It is serious when it says that it does not see itself as the answer but only one component of the answer. It means it when it says that if it is possible to move towards a wider regroupment that it would put no organisational preconditions in the way. Its only precondition would be that it would represent a step forwards in building the kind of new party the working class needs in order to respond to the betrayals of social democracy."
"Its only precondition would be that it would represent a step forwards in building the kind of new party the working class needs in order to respond to the betrayals of social democracy."

How is that supposed to work then?

The words seem to exclude rebuilding the Labour Party itself.
So something else must be in mind.
What will constitute a step forward as opposed to say a step into something sticky?
How will everyone agree. Will they all be, like: "ah! This is the step!"
It sounds a lot like b""""""""" to me

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Fly on the wall
Fly on the wall

January 4th, 2008, 4:26 pm #5

Some people just don't get it. The CPB's attitude to the crisis of labour representation - and what to do about it - is well documented in is own literature. Nevertheless one or two pundits on this site love to natt away at what they see as some incipient split just moments away from cracking open.
It is as if they think that the leadership of the CPB is so poorly grounded in reality that it - or some part of it - might suddenly make some sort of infantile ultra-leftist slip, and bolt away into pastures new.
I think you will find that the General secretary of the CPB and the CPB in general has too much political maturity for this.
If you are looking for ultra-leftist hysterics the CPB is not the place to be.
It is no secret that some of the London based members are pushing for it, including Mike Squires (of The Mikes Squires Marx Memorial Library Group fame), and both the Gen Sec and editor of the Morning Star were openly argueing in print for it only a couple of years ago, even with an SWP presence. So I would be careful in case the political maturity you speak of comes back to haunt you sooner than you think.
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Ordinary Stasi again
Ordinary Stasi again

January 4th, 2008, 6:14 pm #6

Depends what you mean by 'it'. If the Comrades you refer to continue to respect the decisions of the collective, as they have done in the past, and continue to work for the unity of the party, as they have done in the past, then I would consider that they had shown 'maturity' whatever those collective decisons might eventually turn out to be. Such maturity was shown after the Special Congress on respect and I have no doubt will be shown again in other changing circumstances, when they are called upon to act like Communists. Is all this gossip and tittle-tattle 'acting like a Communist'?
This is not the first time half-baked gossip about the CPB has been posted up on this site only to evaporate into thin air after a few days.
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Ordinary KGB man - V.Putin
Ordinary KGB man - V.Putin

January 4th, 2008, 8:07 pm #7

Well Anita could just drop a fraction of her cash in the right pockets and all the problems would be solved. Messers Rees, Griffiths, Haylett, and Galloway would make great loyal lieutenants at the right price, and would deliver their members on a plate.

I am not actually suggesting that this is on the cards, before anyone gets hot and bothered. I do wonder what is happening to all that money though. The interest alone is more than the financial assets of all the Left put together.
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Ho Chi-Fang
Ho Chi-Fang

January 4th, 2008, 9:22 pm #8

It looks like the ghost of Respect has not been totally laid to rest.

Despite having been voted down by the CPB Special Congress a while back, the debate has been rumbling on. Clearly Alan Thornett has picked up on the vibes being sent out by Robert Griffiths, and, now that the SWP thorn has been removed from the Respect flesh, he is looking for a new "liaison dangereuse".

Mr Griffiths will be pleased, but Mr Foster will not.

http://liammacuaid.wordpress.com/2008/0 ... n-respect/

"The strength of Respect Renewal, however ­ which was never the case with the original Respect under the SWP ­ is that it is serious about approaching other sections of the left such as the trade union left and the CPB about a wider regroupment of forces to tackle the crisis of working class representation. It is serious when it says that it does not see itself as the answer but only one component of the answer. It means it when it says that if it is possible to move towards a wider regroupment that it would put no organisational preconditions in the way. Its only precondition would be that it would represent a step forwards in building the kind of new party the working class needs in order to respond to the betrayals of social democracy."
"A man who is cowardly at heart and has not emancipated his mind will be afraid of non-existent ghosts (spectres) and gods. But if he raises his level of political understanding, does away with superstition and emancipates his mind, he will find not only that ghosts and gods are nothing to be afraid of but that imperialism, reaction, revisionism and all natural or man-made calamities that actually exist are also nothing for Marxist-Leninists to be afraid of but are something that can be defeated or overcome.
There are no such things as ghosts such as are described in the old stories but there are many things in this world which are like ghosts. Some are big, such as international imperialism and its henchmen in various countries, modern revisionism, serious natural calamities and certain not-yet-reformed members of the landlord and bourgeois classes who have usurped leadership in some organisations at primary level and staged a comeback there. Some are small, such as difficulties and setbacks in ordinary work, etc. All these can be said to be ghost-like things. Imperialism, reaction, revisionism and so on differ from ghosts in that they really exist while ghosts do not. But they have something in common with the ghosts in tales: They are always up to deviltry, they always create disturbance and make trouble".
preface to Stories about not being Afraid of Ghosts, Peking, 1961
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a crofting peasant
a crofting peasant

January 5th, 2008, 2:58 am #9

It looks like the ghost of Respect has not been totally laid to rest.

Despite having been voted down by the CPB Special Congress a while back, the debate has been rumbling on. Clearly Alan Thornett has picked up on the vibes being sent out by Robert Griffiths, and, now that the SWP thorn has been removed from the Respect flesh, he is looking for a new "liaison dangereuse".

Mr Griffiths will be pleased, but Mr Foster will not.

http://liammacuaid.wordpress.com/2008/0 ... n-respect/

"The strength of Respect Renewal, however ­ which was never the case with the original Respect under the SWP ­ is that it is serious about approaching other sections of the left such as the trade union left and the CPB about a wider regroupment of forces to tackle the crisis of working class representation. It is serious when it says that it does not see itself as the answer but only one component of the answer. It means it when it says that if it is possible to move towards a wider regroupment that it would put no organisational preconditions in the way. Its only precondition would be that it would represent a step forwards in building the kind of new party the working class needs in order to respond to the betrayals of social democracy."
Is this resultant from pure silly old sectarianism or just a stale "communist" take on tabloid crappy gossip?

"Britney Spears' former husband Kevin Federline offers to sell children's souls to Satan .. if it is possible to move towards a wider regroupment that it would put no organisational preconditions in the way"

Fly on the wall???
Eating off the bog seat more like!
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Fly on the wall
Fly on the wall

January 5th, 2008, 7:13 pm #10

The proposals coming from Respect Renewal are very real and not just idle gossip. You know very well that the matter was not settled by the CPB Congress, and some meetings have already taken place. Why would the RR people make that up?

Let's get serious and have less talk about eating off bog seats - all that is is smoke and bluster to avoid dealing with legitimate points.
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