Here are the REAL culprits in what happened yesterday!

Here are the REAL culprits in what happened yesterday!

faithfullyflyers
faithfullyflyers

April 17th, 2012, 1:26 am #1

Kerry Fraser is right on the money when he says if the refs had of penalized the Pissguins when they first started this sh_-it it would have defused the whole thing. The refs are the ones who LET the Pens take liberties with the Flyers.

From Kerry's column @TSN


In post-game comments, Sidney Crosby said he swatted Jakub Voracek's glove away because, "I hate him; I hate all those guys," in reference to the Philadelphia Flyer players.

The disrespect Sid demonstrated to a piece of Flyers equipment at 12:02 of the first period resulted in a fight he engaged in with Claude Giroux and set a secondary bout in motion between Kimmo Timonen and Kris Letang that led to their automatic ejection from the game.

The main event might have started when Sid knocked Jake's glove away, but the preliminary bout happened a minute or so earlier when Crosby chopped at another Flyer player's glove and wasn't penalized for it.

The absence of a swift and firm response by the referees to Sidney Crosby's repeated slash to the glove hand of Flyers goalie Ilya Bryzgalov prior to the fisticuffs became an officiating turning point in the game. This spark ignited the ever-present combustible fuel that exists when these two teams meet and caused player hostilities to boil over and continue throughout most of the game. The officials had to continually battle back from this early incident in an
attempt to exert and maintain control.

Every game has an ebb and flow; a heartbeat and a temperature that rises and falls throughout. This is especially true in a playoff series when player aggression and "hatred" (perceived or stated) escalates. It is incumbent upon the referees to know when to impose themselves to control the temperature of the game through appropriate application of the rules. The "when" and "how" results from an acute feel for the game.

Action in an around the goal crease, contact with the goalie and dangerous or high hits are always "hot spots" that draw a crowd resulting in scrums and should always be high on the ref's radar screen.

Once Crosby swatted at the glove hand of Bryzgalov as the play was blown dead, Voracek led the cavalry charge and wrestled with Crosby. This was the perfect opportunity for the referee(s) to impose themselves and establish game control. A swift and forceful reaction by the referee behind the goal line to impose a slashing and roughing minor to Crosby in addition to a roughing minor to the Flyers' Voracek would have ended the incident in this moment. The linesmen would have escorted the two players to the penalty box swiftly and nothing further would have developed at that point and time. A Flyers power play would have also sent an early message to avoid contact with the goalkeepers at both ends of the ice.

Due to a lack of response by the referees on this initial incident, tornados of player hostility were allowed to spawn elsewhere which resulted in two fights and game ejections to key players from both teams a minute or two later. The stage was set and the match was lit for what followed.

A swift and correct penalty assessment was imposed by the referee on Brayden Schenn's charge and Arron Asham's match penalty that followed. There is no question a suspension will result for Asham. The only question will be how many games?

Andrew and Jason, you have asked about the late, high hit that James Neal threw on Claude Giroux. I am going to back up a shift or two and provide you with another game temperature check. This one occurred when Neal left his feet and leveled Sean Couturier as the Flyer was turning in the neutral zone without the puck and unaware of impending contact.

The fact James Neal left his feet and moved slightly right into Couturier prior to impact eliminates any free pass I might have given the Pens star that this was just an accidental collision. James Neal saw Sean Couturier on the road ahead and in his lane. This should have been identified as interference or charging and James Neal placed in the penalty box. Player hostilities intensified on the Flyers bench as Couturier was lifted from the ice and helped to the dressing room.

James Neal subsequently tracked Claude Giroux from behind and delivered a high open ice hit that threw gasoline on a fire that was already burning. Giroux stumbled like a wounded deer following the contact. There was no apparent response by the referees as you suggest on this play to identify the infraction and in an attempt to bring the temperature down. The players then took matters into their own hands.

Jakub Voracek once again led the charge and was the first to chase James Neal to the Pittsburgh players' bench followed closely by Scott Hartnell and Wayne Simmonds. Crosby grabbed Hartnell from behind and the captain's involvement became the catalyst for Craig Adams to unload on the back of Hartnell's head.
James Neal was already on the Pittsburgh bench when the scrum ensued. The Flyers players were attempting to get at him in retaliation. Once the dust settled a discussion between all the officials resulted to sort out the penalties. Hindsight being 20-20, it was likely determined that a charging penalty needed to be assessed to James Neal as the cause of the altercation.

The additional 10-minute misconduct assessed to James Neal on this exchange demonstrates the "pro-active" measures that a referee(s) should take to bring the temperature down or at least remove the pot from the stove.

This was wise decision on the part of the Officials even if it came at 15:18 of the third period. My advice to the refs in all the playoff games is to have their thermometers ready following the opening puck drop and to take the game temperature frequently.

It is the best measuring devise they can utilize to keep the "hate" from boiling over.


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April 17th, 2012, 2:53 am #2

well I certainly agree with that....../nm
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Brett
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April 17th, 2012, 2:59 am #3

Kerry Fraser is right on the money when he says if the refs had of penalized the Pissguins when they first started this sh_-it it would have defused the whole thing. The refs are the ones who LET the Pens take liberties with the Flyers.

From Kerry's column @TSN


In post-game comments, Sidney Crosby said he swatted Jakub Voracek's glove away because, "I hate him; I hate all those guys," in reference to the Philadelphia Flyer players.

The disrespect Sid demonstrated to a piece of Flyers equipment at 12:02 of the first period resulted in a fight he engaged in with Claude Giroux and set a secondary bout in motion between Kimmo Timonen and Kris Letang that led to their automatic ejection from the game.

The main event might have started when Sid knocked Jake's glove away, but the preliminary bout happened a minute or so earlier when Crosby chopped at another Flyer player's glove and wasn't penalized for it.

The absence of a swift and firm response by the referees to Sidney Crosby's repeated slash to the glove hand of Flyers goalie Ilya Bryzgalov prior to the fisticuffs became an officiating turning point in the game. This spark ignited the ever-present combustible fuel that exists when these two teams meet and caused player hostilities to boil over and continue throughout most of the game. The officials had to continually battle back from this early incident in an
attempt to exert and maintain control.

Every game has an ebb and flow; a heartbeat and a temperature that rises and falls throughout. This is especially true in a playoff series when player aggression and "hatred" (perceived or stated) escalates. It is incumbent upon the referees to know when to impose themselves to control the temperature of the game through appropriate application of the rules. The "when" and "how" results from an acute feel for the game.

Action in an around the goal crease, contact with the goalie and dangerous or high hits are always "hot spots" that draw a crowd resulting in scrums and should always be high on the ref's radar screen.

Once Crosby swatted at the glove hand of Bryzgalov as the play was blown dead, Voracek led the cavalry charge and wrestled with Crosby. This was the perfect opportunity for the referee(s) to impose themselves and establish game control. A swift and forceful reaction by the referee behind the goal line to impose a slashing and roughing minor to Crosby in addition to a roughing minor to the Flyers' Voracek would have ended the incident in this moment. The linesmen would have escorted the two players to the penalty box swiftly and nothing further would have developed at that point and time. A Flyers power play would have also sent an early message to avoid contact with the goalkeepers at both ends of the ice.

Due to a lack of response by the referees on this initial incident, tornados of player hostility were allowed to spawn elsewhere which resulted in two fights and game ejections to key players from both teams a minute or two later. The stage was set and the match was lit for what followed.

A swift and correct penalty assessment was imposed by the referee on Brayden Schenn's charge and Arron Asham's match penalty that followed. There is no question a suspension will result for Asham. The only question will be how many games?

Andrew and Jason, you have asked about the late, high hit that James Neal threw on Claude Giroux. I am going to back up a shift or two and provide you with another game temperature check. This one occurred when Neal left his feet and leveled Sean Couturier as the Flyer was turning in the neutral zone without the puck and unaware of impending contact.

The fact James Neal left his feet and moved slightly right into Couturier prior to impact eliminates any free pass I might have given the Pens star that this was just an accidental collision. James Neal saw Sean Couturier on the road ahead and in his lane. This should have been identified as interference or charging and James Neal placed in the penalty box. Player hostilities intensified on the Flyers bench as Couturier was lifted from the ice and helped to the dressing room.

James Neal subsequently tracked Claude Giroux from behind and delivered a high open ice hit that threw gasoline on a fire that was already burning. Giroux stumbled like a wounded deer following the contact. There was no apparent response by the referees as you suggest on this play to identify the infraction and in an attempt to bring the temperature down. The players then took matters into their own hands.

Jakub Voracek once again led the charge and was the first to chase James Neal to the Pittsburgh players' bench followed closely by Scott Hartnell and Wayne Simmonds. Crosby grabbed Hartnell from behind and the captain's involvement became the catalyst for Craig Adams to unload on the back of Hartnell's head.
James Neal was already on the Pittsburgh bench when the scrum ensued. The Flyers players were attempting to get at him in retaliation. Once the dust settled a discussion between all the officials resulted to sort out the penalties. Hindsight being 20-20, it was likely determined that a charging penalty needed to be assessed to James Neal as the cause of the altercation.

The additional 10-minute misconduct assessed to James Neal on this exchange demonstrates the "pro-active" measures that a referee(s) should take to bring the temperature down or at least remove the pot from the stove.

This was wise decision on the part of the Officials even if it came at 15:18 of the third period. My advice to the refs in all the playoff games is to have their thermometers ready following the opening puck drop and to take the game temperature frequently.

It is the best measuring devise they can utilize to keep the "hate" from boiling over.


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But not just the refs who worked yesterday, but every single one that has been letting the most disgraceful franchise in professional sports get away with their nonsense for several years now.
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April 17th, 2012, 3:25 am #4

isn't that the most frustrating and one of the biggest problems of credibility for the NHL. A role player gets called for 3 slashes to a goalie covering a puck, but the superstar does not. Which is why, and (Kerry Fraser should know this), NO initial penalty WAS called on Crosby, because it WAS Crosby.
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faithfullyflyers
faithfullyflyers

April 17th, 2012, 4:09 am #5

That ole double standard, enforcement of the rules are not done equitably.

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Brett
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April 17th, 2012, 4:22 am #6

isn't that the most frustrating and one of the biggest problems of credibility for the NHL. A role player gets called for 3 slashes to a goalie covering a puck, but the superstar does not. Which is why, and (Kerry Fraser should know this), NO initial penalty WAS called on Crosby, because it WAS Crosby.
the comments that Therien made. How many players ended up in fights, scrums, getting penalized, getting ejected, getting suspended, and getting fined because the princess was allowed to run amok doing whatever she wanted? The glove push when Voracek went to pick it up was just disrespectful schoolyard crap. The NHL created a 5 year old monster by letting too much go and now it is finally starting to blow up as coaches, announcers, and journalists are all calling out the antics of the most disgraceful franchise in professional sports. Children engage in something called boundary testing, and the stars of the most disgraceful franchise in professional sports have pushed it and pushed it without there ever being any repercussions.
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Icer
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April 17th, 2012, 4:10 pm #7

isn't that the most frustrating and one of the biggest problems of credibility for the NHL. A role player gets called for 3 slashes to a goalie covering a puck, but the superstar does not. Which is why, and (Kerry Fraser should know this), NO initial penalty WAS called on Crosby, because it WAS Crosby.
The Penguins and the Bruins have both been allowed to lead checks with high elbows all year. rangers to a certain extent, but they don't seem to do it as much, probably because Torts teaches a more controlled game. What led to this disgrace, not others, is that the B's don't have a spoiled brat as captain and emotional role model for the team. The Bruins take their shots, get awayu with it, and know they got away with it. The Pens take their shots, and feel entitled to take more, then complain when they have to face retaliation.

(and Rinaldo gets penalties for every check, clean or not - double standard to the nth degree)

Is this Bettman's basketball background? In the NBA, stars get an extra step or two, a little more room in the paint. That lets them make those highlight reel dunks that make TV ratings. There's nothing more to it than a couple more points in a high scoring game. Inthe NHL, when stars like Crosby, and their teams by association, are given preferential treatment, it entitles Neal to go on a head hunting spree becuase he's not getting his way.

I've always thought Bettman has no inderstanding whatsoever of this game. Cirpes, at least join an old guys league to see what ice feels like!
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Icer
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April 17th, 2012, 4:26 pm #8

Kerry Fraser is right on the money when he says if the refs had of penalized the Pissguins when they first started this sh_-it it would have defused the whole thing. The refs are the ones who LET the Pens take liberties with the Flyers.

From Kerry's column @TSN


In post-game comments, Sidney Crosby said he swatted Jakub Voracek's glove away because, "I hate him; I hate all those guys," in reference to the Philadelphia Flyer players.

The disrespect Sid demonstrated to a piece of Flyers equipment at 12:02 of the first period resulted in a fight he engaged in with Claude Giroux and set a secondary bout in motion between Kimmo Timonen and Kris Letang that led to their automatic ejection from the game.

The main event might have started when Sid knocked Jake's glove away, but the preliminary bout happened a minute or so earlier when Crosby chopped at another Flyer player's glove and wasn't penalized for it.

The absence of a swift and firm response by the referees to Sidney Crosby's repeated slash to the glove hand of Flyers goalie Ilya Bryzgalov prior to the fisticuffs became an officiating turning point in the game. This spark ignited the ever-present combustible fuel that exists when these two teams meet and caused player hostilities to boil over and continue throughout most of the game. The officials had to continually battle back from this early incident in an
attempt to exert and maintain control.

Every game has an ebb and flow; a heartbeat and a temperature that rises and falls throughout. This is especially true in a playoff series when player aggression and "hatred" (perceived or stated) escalates. It is incumbent upon the referees to know when to impose themselves to control the temperature of the game through appropriate application of the rules. The "when" and "how" results from an acute feel for the game.

Action in an around the goal crease, contact with the goalie and dangerous or high hits are always "hot spots" that draw a crowd resulting in scrums and should always be high on the ref's radar screen.

Once Crosby swatted at the glove hand of Bryzgalov as the play was blown dead, Voracek led the cavalry charge and wrestled with Crosby. This was the perfect opportunity for the referee(s) to impose themselves and establish game control. A swift and forceful reaction by the referee behind the goal line to impose a slashing and roughing minor to Crosby in addition to a roughing minor to the Flyers' Voracek would have ended the incident in this moment. The linesmen would have escorted the two players to the penalty box swiftly and nothing further would have developed at that point and time. A Flyers power play would have also sent an early message to avoid contact with the goalkeepers at both ends of the ice.

Due to a lack of response by the referees on this initial incident, tornados of player hostility were allowed to spawn elsewhere which resulted in two fights and game ejections to key players from both teams a minute or two later. The stage was set and the match was lit for what followed.

A swift and correct penalty assessment was imposed by the referee on Brayden Schenn's charge and Arron Asham's match penalty that followed. There is no question a suspension will result for Asham. The only question will be how many games?

Andrew and Jason, you have asked about the late, high hit that James Neal threw on Claude Giroux. I am going to back up a shift or two and provide you with another game temperature check. This one occurred when Neal left his feet and leveled Sean Couturier as the Flyer was turning in the neutral zone without the puck and unaware of impending contact.

The fact James Neal left his feet and moved slightly right into Couturier prior to impact eliminates any free pass I might have given the Pens star that this was just an accidental collision. James Neal saw Sean Couturier on the road ahead and in his lane. This should have been identified as interference or charging and James Neal placed in the penalty box. Player hostilities intensified on the Flyers bench as Couturier was lifted from the ice and helped to the dressing room.

James Neal subsequently tracked Claude Giroux from behind and delivered a high open ice hit that threw gasoline on a fire that was already burning. Giroux stumbled like a wounded deer following the contact. There was no apparent response by the referees as you suggest on this play to identify the infraction and in an attempt to bring the temperature down. The players then took matters into their own hands.

Jakub Voracek once again led the charge and was the first to chase James Neal to the Pittsburgh players' bench followed closely by Scott Hartnell and Wayne Simmonds. Crosby grabbed Hartnell from behind and the captain's involvement became the catalyst for Craig Adams to unload on the back of Hartnell's head.
James Neal was already on the Pittsburgh bench when the scrum ensued. The Flyers players were attempting to get at him in retaliation. Once the dust settled a discussion between all the officials resulted to sort out the penalties. Hindsight being 20-20, it was likely determined that a charging penalty needed to be assessed to James Neal as the cause of the altercation.

The additional 10-minute misconduct assessed to James Neal on this exchange demonstrates the "pro-active" measures that a referee(s) should take to bring the temperature down or at least remove the pot from the stove.

This was wise decision on the part of the Officials even if it came at 15:18 of the third period. My advice to the refs in all the playoff games is to have their thermometers ready following the opening puck drop and to take the game temperature frequently.

It is the best measuring devise they can utilize to keep the "hate" from boiling over.


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I always like Fraser as a ref, specifically because he understood the flow of a game. And he nailed that one 100%.

What's really telling about how out of it those refs were: Fraser points out that had they given the Flyers a PP early, it would have told the Pens they couldn't take liberties with the goalie. The refs missed making the initial call, OK, they goofed. But when it all died down and they had a chance to think about it - they gave the PENS a PP! Somehow, they found a slash on Timmonen.

Put in the context of Fraser's excellent summary, why do you think the pens decided to continue taking runs at Flyers?

What message does it send then, after neal takes 2 players heads off, crosby jumps hartnell from behind, all the Flyers got was a 2 minute penalty?

and to further tell the teams how it was going to go next game, Rinaldo pushed a guy in the shoulders, didn't even cause him to lose his balance, and got 2, 2, & 10.
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Loki
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April 17th, 2012, 5:46 pm #9

Kerry Fraser is right on the money when he says if the refs had of penalized the Pissguins when they first started this sh_-it it would have defused the whole thing. The refs are the ones who LET the Pens take liberties with the Flyers.

From Kerry's column @TSN


In post-game comments, Sidney Crosby said he swatted Jakub Voracek's glove away because, "I hate him; I hate all those guys," in reference to the Philadelphia Flyer players.

The disrespect Sid demonstrated to a piece of Flyers equipment at 12:02 of the first period resulted in a fight he engaged in with Claude Giroux and set a secondary bout in motion between Kimmo Timonen and Kris Letang that led to their automatic ejection from the game.

The main event might have started when Sid knocked Jake's glove away, but the preliminary bout happened a minute or so earlier when Crosby chopped at another Flyer player's glove and wasn't penalized for it.

The absence of a swift and firm response by the referees to Sidney Crosby's repeated slash to the glove hand of Flyers goalie Ilya Bryzgalov prior to the fisticuffs became an officiating turning point in the game. This spark ignited the ever-present combustible fuel that exists when these two teams meet and caused player hostilities to boil over and continue throughout most of the game. The officials had to continually battle back from this early incident in an
attempt to exert and maintain control.

Every game has an ebb and flow; a heartbeat and a temperature that rises and falls throughout. This is especially true in a playoff series when player aggression and "hatred" (perceived or stated) escalates. It is incumbent upon the referees to know when to impose themselves to control the temperature of the game through appropriate application of the rules. The "when" and "how" results from an acute feel for the game.

Action in an around the goal crease, contact with the goalie and dangerous or high hits are always "hot spots" that draw a crowd resulting in scrums and should always be high on the ref's radar screen.

Once Crosby swatted at the glove hand of Bryzgalov as the play was blown dead, Voracek led the cavalry charge and wrestled with Crosby. This was the perfect opportunity for the referee(s) to impose themselves and establish game control. A swift and forceful reaction by the referee behind the goal line to impose a slashing and roughing minor to Crosby in addition to a roughing minor to the Flyers' Voracek would have ended the incident in this moment. The linesmen would have escorted the two players to the penalty box swiftly and nothing further would have developed at that point and time. A Flyers power play would have also sent an early message to avoid contact with the goalkeepers at both ends of the ice.

Due to a lack of response by the referees on this initial incident, tornados of player hostility were allowed to spawn elsewhere which resulted in two fights and game ejections to key players from both teams a minute or two later. The stage was set and the match was lit for what followed.

A swift and correct penalty assessment was imposed by the referee on Brayden Schenn's charge and Arron Asham's match penalty that followed. There is no question a suspension will result for Asham. The only question will be how many games?

Andrew and Jason, you have asked about the late, high hit that James Neal threw on Claude Giroux. I am going to back up a shift or two and provide you with another game temperature check. This one occurred when Neal left his feet and leveled Sean Couturier as the Flyer was turning in the neutral zone without the puck and unaware of impending contact.

The fact James Neal left his feet and moved slightly right into Couturier prior to impact eliminates any free pass I might have given the Pens star that this was just an accidental collision. James Neal saw Sean Couturier on the road ahead and in his lane. This should have been identified as interference or charging and James Neal placed in the penalty box. Player hostilities intensified on the Flyers bench as Couturier was lifted from the ice and helped to the dressing room.

James Neal subsequently tracked Claude Giroux from behind and delivered a high open ice hit that threw gasoline on a fire that was already burning. Giroux stumbled like a wounded deer following the contact. There was no apparent response by the referees as you suggest on this play to identify the infraction and in an attempt to bring the temperature down. The players then took matters into their own hands.

Jakub Voracek once again led the charge and was the first to chase James Neal to the Pittsburgh players' bench followed closely by Scott Hartnell and Wayne Simmonds. Crosby grabbed Hartnell from behind and the captain's involvement became the catalyst for Craig Adams to unload on the back of Hartnell's head.
James Neal was already on the Pittsburgh bench when the scrum ensued. The Flyers players were attempting to get at him in retaliation. Once the dust settled a discussion between all the officials resulted to sort out the penalties. Hindsight being 20-20, it was likely determined that a charging penalty needed to be assessed to James Neal as the cause of the altercation.

The additional 10-minute misconduct assessed to James Neal on this exchange demonstrates the "pro-active" measures that a referee(s) should take to bring the temperature down or at least remove the pot from the stove.

This was wise decision on the part of the Officials even if it came at 15:18 of the third period. My advice to the refs in all the playoff games is to have their thermometers ready following the opening puck drop and to take the game temperature frequently.

It is the best measuring devise they can utilize to keep the "hate" from boiling over.


fff
The referees lost control there and as a result players almost had their playoff run ended by dirty hits.

Neal should have been tossed after his SeanC hit. Or at least given a two minute minor and a ten for head hunting. Especially after leaving his feet to deliver a blow to the head. It's not like the guy doesn't have a history of that sort of thing and refs should be cognizant of that type of play. Hell, it's why Rinaldo gets a penalty for sneezing on a Pen.
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April 17th, 2012, 5:55 pm #10

The Penguins and the Bruins have both been allowed to lead checks with high elbows all year. rangers to a certain extent, but they don't seem to do it as much, probably because Torts teaches a more controlled game. What led to this disgrace, not others, is that the B's don't have a spoiled brat as captain and emotional role model for the team. The Bruins take their shots, get awayu with it, and know they got away with it. The Pens take their shots, and feel entitled to take more, then complain when they have to face retaliation.

(and Rinaldo gets penalties for every check, clean or not - double standard to the nth degree)

Is this Bettman's basketball background? In the NBA, stars get an extra step or two, a little more room in the paint. That lets them make those highlight reel dunks that make TV ratings. There's nothing more to it than a couple more points in a high scoring game. Inthe NHL, when stars like Crosby, and their teams by association, are given preferential treatment, it entitles Neal to go on a head hunting spree becuase he's not getting his way.

I've always thought Bettman has no inderstanding whatsoever of this game. Cirpes, at least join an old guys league to see what ice feels like!
couldn't agree more/nm
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