Makalov Vs. Astrid

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Makalov Vs. Astrid

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16 Jul 2007, 23:36 #1

Astrid - Wind
http://fea.fewiki.net/fea.php?character=astrid&game=9e
Class: Bow Knight
Weapons: Bows
Skills: Paragon
Chapter: 13
Supports: Makalov(3/6/10), Gatrie(3/6/11), Sothe(3/7/11)

Makalov - Thunder
http://fea.fewiki.net/fea.php?character=makalov&game=9e
Class: Sword Knight
Weapons: Swords
Skills: Tempest
Chapter: 14
Supports: Astrid(3/6/10), Haar(1/3/5), Bastian(1/3/4)

---Joining Situation---

Obviously this goes to Makalov because Astrid is horrible underleveled and being the bow user that she is she is still most likely not going to be gaining a level lead in the later levels even with paragon. Makalov comes with very sturdy defenses and decent enough offenses.

Stat comparison for when Makalov joins:

Astrid 4
HP: 21.4
Str: 7.2
Mag: 2.6(.6)
Skl: 7.7(.7)
Spd: 8.5
Def: 5.9
Res: 4.8(2.8)
Lck: 4.2

Makalov 10
HP: 30(8.6)
Str: 9(1.8)
Mag: 2
Skl: 7
Spd: 10(1.5)
Def: 10(4.1)
Res: 2
Lck: 8(3.8)

Makalov is soundly beating her in defenses, while still beating her by a good margin in offenses. Doubling more + More Str + Not bows = better. Not bows is also a blow to Astrid's defensive use because she won't be able to kill an enemy if it attacks her.

---Endgame---

Astrid 20, A Makalov
Str: 22.7
Hit: 76.6(12.6)
Crt: 12.85(2.3)
AS: 25.8/27(.7/0)
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HP: 42.1
Def: 20.4
Res: 16.5(5.1)
Eva: 84.8/87.2(4.8/3.4)
Cev: 18.2(3.4)

Makalov 18, A Astrid
Str: 24.9(2.2)
Hit: 64
Crt: 10.55
AS: 25.1/27
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HP: 49.2(7.1)
Def: 25(4.6)
Res: 11.4
Eva: 80/83.8
Cev: 14.8

Makalov is still probably winning in defenses, even with Astrid's tiny Eva lead and Res lead. Note that the Eva lead is smaller on one side; the in game side when you are using the KW. On offenses, Astrid is losing. In game they will have the same endgame AS because of the KW, so all we really need to look at is Makalov's Str lead Vs. Astrid's Hit lead. Astrid's hit is better, sure, but Makalov definitely isn't missing.

Then again Sword and Axe users the comparison sways a bit. Against Sword users Astrid could switch a bow, but that would leave her vulnerable, though using an axe isn't much better. So she sucks against them. Makalov can just mirror their sword. Then against Axe users she isn't screwed, but Makalov can get WTA making his stats look like this:

Makalov 18, A Astrid
Str: 25.9(3.2)
Hit: 79(2.4)
Crt: 10.55
AS: 25.1/27
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HP: 49.2(7.1)
Def: 26(5.6)
Res: 11.4
Eva: 95/98.8(10.2/11.6)
Cev: 14.8

Yeah, that's pretty rape.

Makalov is better than Astrid in my opinion.
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17 Jul 2007, 00:27 #2

Makalov has no prayer of hitting level 18. Try level 15, if that.
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17 Jul 2007, 00:28 #3

I also think that Makalov > Astrid, but they're pretty close.
Astrid will catch up to Makalov if you give them both liek 300-500 bonus exp, and then Astrid will have moar AS, and Makalov will have moar def/hp. And Makalov will have 1 range and Astrid 2 range. Higher def/hp + counterattacking = Makalov w1ns. After promotion, they both have penty of AS, and Makalov has moar atk and def. Astrid will probably be doubling Swordmasters, though.
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17 Jul 2007, 00:28 #4

Soren @ Jul 16 2007, 03:27 PM wrote: Makalov has no prayer of hitting level 18. Try level 15, if that.
w/bonus experience?

I think level 18 is pretty suitable for endgame.
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17 Jul 2007, 17:38 #5

Somewhere between endgame and joining, Astrid should have a larger level lead thanks to paragon, but Makalov would catch up later. IMO, Astrid>Makalov, since Astrid can pick off enemies from behind rather than having to go in front.
But...PoR has never been my point of interest, so...yeah.

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17 Jul 2007, 19:50 #6

Astrid has low base stats and needs extreme babying upon joining.

Makalov's bases are higher, most notably his defenses, and he is therefore easier to work up combatively. : |
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17 Jul 2007, 20:13 #7

Makalov's better but Astrid is good and I love units that gain experience at high rates.

Besides who cares when they're supporting each other~
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09 Aug 2007, 23:22 #8

supports mean nothing in POR. they are pointless really, plus Astrid > Makalov anyday of the week. I can get up up to lvl 7/8 in the chapter that u get her in. its pointless in comparing because thyre lvls are far apart but astrid owns him anyday.



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09 Aug 2007, 23:26 #9

Umm, no, supports give bonuses to stats that help you complete maps faster. It's like saying statistical leads on other units don't mean anything. A unit w/ supports > A unit w/ no supports. Fact.

You can get her 6-7 levels in one chapter where the only thing she can do is steal kills once per turn? Well do the same thing for Makalov and he'll be even higher! The difference is he has good durability and the ability to counter close range so he's easier to level up. Astrid requires h4x babying while all Makalov needs is a spot on the team.
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09 Aug 2007, 23:26 #10

Hero Raven @ Aug 9 2007, 06:22 PM wrote: supports mean nothing in POR. they are pointless really
Wtf are you talking about? Higher battle parameters = pointless, and means nothing? lol, yeah sure
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09 Aug 2007, 23:26 #11

Hero Raven @ Aug 9 2007, 04:22 PM wrote: supports mean nothing in POR. they are pointless really, plus Astrid > Makalov anyday of the week. I can get up up to lvl 7/8 in the chapter that u get her in. its pointless in comparing because thyre lvls are far apart but astrid owns him anyday.
Supports boost people's stats when they're within three spaces of whoever they're supporting...that's not meaningless. They aren't as important as some make them seem, yes, but I think they play a bigger role in PoR than in a game like FE7, where the system is ***ed up.

Anyway, you haven't proved how Astrid's better...sure, you can get her to level 8 in the chapter you get her. Next chapter, Makalov comes level 10. So...yeah. This doesn't do anything but counter your statement, but since that's all the defense you had...

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YokaiKnight @ Aug 9 2007, 06:26 PM wrote: sure, you can get her to level 8 in the chapter you get her.
Er, she would have to get a kill on every single turn. 12 atk and 7 spd isn't doing that.
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09 Aug 2007, 23:36 #13

I gave her the level if you weren't babying her. Because the experience she gains that puts her at a higher level is counterweighted by the fact that it took babying and caused your team to function less effectively. To measure it objectively I took the route of not babying her because that just leaves one less argument to deal with allowing the comparison to be more stat-based.
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09 Aug 2007, 23:55 #14

Reikken @ Aug 9 2007, 04:31 PM wrote:
YokaiKnight @ Aug 9 2007, 06:26 PM wrote: sure, you can get her to level 8 in the chapter you get her.
Er, she would have to get a kill on every single turn. 12 atk and 7 spd isn't doing that.
For one, I usually recruit her on turn 1...also, there's almost always someone to pick off, most of my units aren't one-rounding enemies...and I often trade her a custom bow upon recruiting. But obviously, this is skewing things in her favor, and even when she's picking off things often you're probably right. I usually get her to level 4 or 5.
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10 Aug 2007, 07:24 #15

Reikken @ Aug 9 2007, 06:31 PM wrote:
YokaiKnight @ Aug 9 2007, 06:26 PM wrote: sure, you can get her to level 8 in the chapter you get her.
Er, she would have to get a kill on every single turn. 12 atk and 7 spd isn't doing that.
yeryou get everyone to do the main and she steals the kills. i know i might seem annoying or what not but she is a gun units when you upgrade her. plus her general speed allows her to dodge most attacks, and if you give her the knight ward like i do she will get even more speed levels and gain the defense and res boost.
For one, I usually recruit her on turn 1...also, there's almost always someone to pick off
i do aswell but she has never died on me, she manages to get out of the way and i use a couple of units as a shield aswell. not too hard really.

also she will level a lot fater than makalov anyway because of her skill, so it puts her higher, and when she upgrades give her swords and she poons. here are the lvls and growths of each character.

Makalov Astrid
HP - 30, 60% - 20, 45%
Str - 9, 55% - 6, 40%
mag - 2, 5% - 2, 20%
Skl - 7, 45% - 6, 55%
Spd - 10, 50% - 7, 50%
def - 10, 45% - 5, 30%
Res - 2, 20% - 4, 25%
Lck - 8, 25% - 3, 40%

she starts lvl 1 and is behind on 6 skills. she has

10 less HP
3 less STR
1 less SKL
3 less SPD
5 less DEF
5 less LCK

thats not really much if you ask me, the speed can be made back easy as pie if you leave her with the knight ward, her luck growth is 40% so she has a good chance of nailing that back, defense would be tricky but it could be narrowed dow to 1/2 by the time you get to lvl 10 cause the growth is only 30%. Skill will be no problem she will exceed him by about 4/5 points by the time shes lvl 10 and the same goes for strength. and HP she can peg back by about half. also his resistance starts of shocking with a fairly bad percentage, so does astrid but she already has a lead of 2 points and is 9 lvls behind him so she can gain at least 2/3 ontop of that again.

put all this into factor and shee will be a far better unit than makalov is. even though she is a bow user she will doge most attacks cause of her speed and her defense followed up with the knight ward will keep her protected if she does take a hammering. making her the more desireable unit to have on your team at an overall look on your run, not just when she joins because she is behind at the start.



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