About the whole Laura being in top tier thing

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About the whole Laura being in top tier thing

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21 Dec 2007, 21:56 #1

Micaiah can heal durring part one, too. =X

Maybe not with staves.

But it's still healing.

She may get one-rounded after she heals, but hey- Laura doesn't have to be low on HP to be one-rounded. It doesn't matter how much HP she has. She's still gonna be one-rounded by everything, so the fact that Micky has to use her own HP to do it doesn't make much of a difference.
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21 Dec 2007, 22:09 #2

Beta-Kraid @ Dec 21 2007, 04:56 PM wrote: Micaiah can heal durring part one, too. =X

Maybe not with staves.

But it's still healing.

She may get one-rounded after she heals, but hey- Laura doesn't have to be low on HP to be one-rounded. It doesn't matter how much HP she has. She's still gonna be one-rounded by everything, so the fact that Micky has to use her own HP to do it doesn't make much of a difference.
I agree. I never use Laura...ever. You can't send her out into the battle for emergency healing unless she can counterattack, which she cannot anyway with staves. Her speed is low so she usually is doubled even if the first shot misses her. IMO Rhys > Laura, but even Mist can get twice as good with the extra MOV upon promotion.
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21 Dec 2007, 22:28 #3

lolwtf @ the idea of Laura being top tier
low move, gets doubled by nearly everything, and gets one-shotted by nearly everything
Maybe her growths might make her not suck later on, but getting there is the problem, and she sucks beforehand. Vulneraries heal 20 and have 8 uses, and Micaiah can heal ppls, making staves completely nonessential, and you don't really get any staves that do anything but heal hp at 1 range until Micaiah can use staves as well, and Laura dies when sneezed on, so you have to keep her completely out of enemy range at all times, so she's not good at all.


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21 Dec 2007, 22:56 #4

Reikken @ Dec 21 2007, 05:28 PM wrote: lolwtf @ the idea of Laura being top tier
low move, gets doubled by nearly everything, and gets one-shotted by nearly everything
Maybe her growths might make her not suck later on, but getting there is the problem, and she sucks beforehand. Vulneraries heal 20 and have 8 uses, and Micaiah can heal ppls, making staves completely nonessential, and you don't really get any staves that do anything but heal hp at 1 range until Micaiah can use staves as well, and Laura dies when sneezed on, so you have to keep her completely out of enemy range at all times, so she's not good at all.


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If you're thinking that it was my idea, it wasn't. It was Solid's, IIRC. He said she should be up there since she's the only healer durring part one. I'm contradicting it here by saying she isn't, since Micaiah has sacrifice.

And since Reikken says so, it must be right. :o

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22 Dec 2007, 02:26 #5

Laura is horrible, but not bottom tier.

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22 Dec 2007, 17:12 #6

After finally finding the thread where he said it, I've found that Solid actually did counter this fact. X.X

But I'm still not agreeing with him. Cai healing someone won't waste a turn since she won't be attacking every turn anyway. She'll be behind the lines finishing of an enemy every now and then, nuking bosses with Thani, and using sacrifice for her experience.
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22 Dec 2007, 20:29 #7

Micaiah can only heal every other turn, since she'll need to use Herbs or Vulneraries to replenish her HP to heal more, which your other units could've just done themselves, making the whole process rather pointless.

Also, she deals high damage to enemies; more than any of your other unpromoted units, with her ridiculous MAG, so she's better off attacking.

Laura can heal _every_ turn without losing her own HP. Sure, she gets one-rounded, but so does Micaiah after using Sacrifice.

I'm not seeing it.
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22 Dec 2007, 20:34 #8

She gets one rounded until she levels up once or twice.
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22 Dec 2007, 20:47 #9

Sety @ Dec 22 2007, 03:34 PM wrote: She gets one rounded until she levels up once or twice.
A. Who?
B. No matter how high of a level Micaiah is, if she has less than 10 HP, she's getting one-rounded. Which she will, after Sacrificing.
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22 Dec 2007, 22:29 #10

Sety @ Dec 22 2007, 03:34 PM wrote: She gets one rounded until she levels up once or twice.
If you mean Laura, not rly.

After six levels, she'll have these stats:

HP 18.7 Str 4.2 Mag 12.2 Skl 7.2 Spd 9.2 Lck 11 Def 3.2 Res 12.1

I have an NM file on the first part of chapter six right now. With those stats(if HP was rounded up, and ONLY then), I counted only three out of 13 weapon users at the start of the map that couldn't one-round her.

@Nin: She doesn't deal ridiculous amounts of damage because she'll never be doubling. Laura can't always heal because if she's let anywhere near the action, she'll be dead, period.

And yes, just using the healing item yourself is often more efficient. I'm just pointing this out.
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22 Dec 2007, 22:33 #11

Beta-Kraid @ Dec 22 2007, 05:29 PM wrote: @Nin: She doesn't deal ridiculous amounts of damage because she'll never be doubling. Laura can't always heal because if she's let anywhere near the action, she'll be dead, period.
lol, neither does anyone else that isn't promoted, so the point still stands.

Seriously, she's on of the best attackers available to you, especially in Hard Mode. Using her to heal is wasting 2 turns that she could have been attacking for.

She can't heal near enemies either, since she'll be subsequently weakened and will be one-rounded. So you can't use that argument against Laura.
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22 Dec 2007, 23:29 #12

Nincaiah @ Dec 22 2007, 05:33 PM wrote:
Beta-Kraid @ Dec 22 2007, 05:29 PM wrote: @Nin: She doesn't deal ridiculous amounts of damage because she'll never be doubling. Laura can't always heal because if she's let anywhere near the action, she'll be dead, period.
lol, neither does anyone else that isn't promoted, so the point still stands.

Seriously, she's on of the best attackers available to you, especially in Hard Mode. Using her to heal is wasting 2 turns that she could have been attacking for.

She can't heal near enemies either, since she'll be subsequently weakened and will be one-rounded. So you can't use that argument against Laura.
Edward, Jill, Ilyana and Nolan? >:/

She'll not only not double for the first few chapters, she won't double at any point durring part one.

I know Micaiah can't survive after healing either, I already pointed that out. My point is that Laura isn't that much better a healer than her, and that there's no way she could be top tier.
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22 Dec 2007, 23:49 #13

Beta-Kraid @ Dec 22 2007, 06:29 PM wrote:
Nincaiah @ Dec 22 2007, 05:33 PM wrote:
Beta-Kraid @ Dec 22 2007, 05:29 PM wrote: @Nin: She doesn't deal ridiculous amounts of damage because she'll never be doubling. Laura can't always heal because if she's let anywhere near the action, she'll be dead, period.
lol, neither does anyone else that isn't promoted, so the point still stands.

Seriously, she's on of the best attackers available to you, especially in Hard Mode. Using her to heal is wasting 2 turns that she could have been attacking for.

She can't heal near enemies either, since she'll be subsequently weakened and will be one-rounded. So you can't use that argument against Laura.
Edward, Jill, Ilyana and Nolan? >:/

She'll not only not double for the first few chapters, she won't double at any point durring part one.

I know Micaiah can't survive after healing either, I already pointed that out. My point is that Laura isn't that much better a healer than her, and that there's no way she could be top tier.
Nolan never doubles. After chapter 3, neither does Ilyana. Jill and Eddie do so semi-reliably, but they have lower STR stats, so Micaiah still does more damage anyway, and her accuracy is h4x, while Jill's isn't, and Eddie can't hit reliably with WTD.

She doesn't need to double to deal massive damage. So yes, you want her attacking, not healing.
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23 Dec 2007, 01:47 #14

Nincaiah @ Dec 22 2007, 06:49 PM wrote:
Beta-Kraid @ Dec 22 2007, 06:29 PM wrote:
Nincaiah @ Dec 22 2007, 05:33 PM wrote: lol, neither does anyone else that isn't promoted, so the point still stands.

Seriously, she's on of the best attackers available to you, especially in Hard Mode. Using her to heal is wasting 2 turns that she could have been attacking for.

She can't heal near enemies either, since she'll be subsequently weakened and will be one-rounded. So you can't use that argument against Laura.
Edward, Jill, Ilyana and Nolan? >:/

She'll not only not double for the first few chapters, she won't double at any point durring part one.

I know Micaiah can't survive after healing either, I already pointed that out. My point is that Laura isn't that much better a healer than her, and that there's no way she could be top tier.
Nolan never doubles. After chapter 3, neither does Ilyana. Jill and Eddie do so semi-reliably, but they have lower STR stats, so Micaiah still does more damage anyway, and her accuracy is h4x, while Jill's isn't, and Eddie can't hit reliably with WTD.

She doesn't need to double to deal massive damage. So yes, you want her attacking, not healing.
Nolan doubles all the time. Just not in chapter one, when he's being weighed down by that Steel Axe.

Ilyana still doubles most enemies for a while- the majority of part one anyway, from my experience. And no, I don't mean the whole "OMG PERSINEL EXPERIENS LOL" thing- her Spd was always close to her average in this experience of mine.

Eddo's Str is fine- just not in the first few chapters. He has a 60% growth in it. If you use him regularly, he'll be just fine in no time.

Jill uses axes. She'll be doing damage just fine.

Cai is a good attacker for the first few chapters, and ONLY that. It won't be long before everyone else's Spd will start increasing- that won't happen to her.
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23 Dec 2007, 02:21 #15

I haven't actually played yet, lol. I'm going off of what other people have said >_>
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