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January 6th, 2007, 10:17 pm #241

From: Joe-D0 (Original Message) Sent: 1/6/2007 6:10 AM

So, after four months of living smoke free, clean and happy as a clam, here comes another smoking dream just to make me upset with myself. I thought these things would pass in time and just disappear from my life but I guess for me it just isn't to be. This particular dream did have a positive side effect, and that is: "what I know today."

In the dream (which I forget the storyline,) I lit a cigarette and took a few drags.

As soon as I awoke I had the absolute realization that I was now entering another seventy-two hours of misery or I will smoke myself into the grave.

My second and almost simultaneous thought was; "although it was a dream, the truth is still the truth." To smoke one is to go out and buy the rest of them, the full regimen that I would need to die; I will not do that.
Coupled with this thought is the second part of the truth which is; "one drag is enough, it opens the door to my addiction and if I refuse to smoke more, I will endure another 72 hours of misery and three days of craves, triggers and me being nasty to others."

Not a pretty picture.
Thank God it was only a dream.
This too shall pass.
NTAP ODAT and TGIF

JoeDo - Free and Healing for Four Months, Twenty One Days, 22 Hours and 41 Minutes, while extending my life expectancy 19 Days and 23 Hours, by avoiding the use of 5758 nicotine delivery devices that would have cost me $1,448.00. (Double that, my wife quit too)
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Jacqui672 Gold
Jacqui672 Gold

February 10th, 2007, 1:56 am #242

Too funny! I had a crazy smoking dream last night! I was smoking for a few weeks. It was utterly bizarre! Must be a full moon.

Ten months, one week, five days, 1 hour, 56 minutes and 5 seconds. 12723 cigarettes not smoked, saving $3,499.34. Life saved: 6 weeks, 2 days, 4 hours, 15 minutes.
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ldnicolai
ldnicolai

February 11th, 2007, 4:52 am #243

Thanks so much Roger. After I had my dreams/nightmares about smoking and wrote about them I felt much better!
I feel even more confident now that I know the reasons behind the dream! Yay for my lungs healing!!!!


LaDonna. nicotine free for 12d, 17h and 51mins. I've not smoked 191 cigarettes and have saved $57.38. I will enjoy 15h and 55mins more of my life! Thank You Freedom!
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dennyb2
dennyb2

February 11th, 2007, 8:22 am #244

Joel starts off this thread informing us:

"The smoking dreams are common if not universal among ex-smokers."

I for one have had many of them thus far in my journey here at Freedom and I agree with one and all they are very vivid and I dare say nightmarish.

However, I believe the smoking dream experienced by those of us who participate in this worldwide community of Freedom From Tobacco IS very different form the rest in one very significant way! We not only wake up feeling the guilt of having smoked, we believe we have lost our privledge to participate here as well.

While still in my dreams, junkie thinking is telling me simply wait 72 hours after you fininsh however many you have smoked in that particular dream and every thing will be just fine. Reminders of active addiction.

This may sound crazy but I actually have come to somewaht enjoy this now infrequent dream for me because now I wake up with a smile on my face knowing it was just a dream and that it can not hurt me. I also believe it is a vivid reminder to stick to your resolve to Never Take Another Puff!

Welcome to all of you in the early stages of your journey here. Read, read and read some more you will find is very good advice. Educate yourself here and enjoy your Freedom! Just one simple rule, No Nicotine Today.

Attitude is everything, keep it positive, move forward and live life to its fullest. NTAP

Denny B - After 38 years - Free and Healing for Ten Months, Sixteen Days, 7 Hours and 20 Minutes, while extending my life expectancy 39 Days and 4 Hours, by avoiding the use of 11281 nicotine delivery devices that would have cost me $2,857.86.
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LadyScorpio1
LadyScorpio1

May 30th, 2007, 2:16 am #245

I'm on day 37 of not smoking and I'm not having using dreams but I am having VERY weird dreams...Just really weird and they have just started in the last week or so...Has anyone experienced these? Is it because of quitting smoking?

Suzanne - Free and Healing for One Month, Seven Days, 21 Hours and 15 Minutes, while extending my life expectancy 3 Days and 6 Hours, by avoiding the use of 947 nicotine delivery devices that would have cost me $256.13.
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jakki8368
jakki8368

September 22nd, 2007, 5:20 pm #246

i have woken this morning after having a 'smokers dream'. i must say that it did un steady me slightly - not so much the fact that i had dreamt of smoking - this forum and website has educated me to the possibility of it happening - but i was amazed at my feelings during the dream.

The way the dream went, i had accepted a cigarette without remembering i dont smoke - this is one of my fears and i find i am constantly thinking of not smoking to prevent this happening.

After lighting the cigarette i walk away from the people i am with - obviously so as not to allow them to see me - and i smoke the cigarette.

By the first puff i realise that i shouldn't be smoking and that i don't want to have the cigarette but i can't stop myself - i tastes awful and it makes me feel dizzy and sick but i carry on - this is obviously showing me how adicted i am to nicotine.

The good thing about this dream is that it has just reinforced the fact that i don't want a cigarette, and has shown me my fears about forgetting i smoked (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) how silly of me!

Any way i am determind to never take another puff so the dream can stay just where it is - as a reminder to me that i am an addict and i have to deal with this adiction one day at a time.


jakki - Free and Healing for Eleven Days, 10 Hours and 47 Minutes, while extending my life expectancy 1 Day and 4 Hours, by avoiding the use of 343 nicotine delivery devices that would have cost me £85.91.
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RJW118
RJW118

November 8th, 2007, 11:14 pm #247

Had a bad one the other night on about day 45 or so.

Dream of smoking within a dream of not smoking, dreamed of waking in the not smoking dream, upset that I was smoking in the non smoking dream.

I finally woke up, took a while to sort out out why I was not tearful which I had been in the non smoking dream when I dreamed I lost the quit.

weird, but still free.....
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joeb769
joeb769

December 2nd, 2007, 1:57 pm #248

I'm glad you've set up a forum for sharing info on dreams about smoking. I've had a few of these dreams lately, and like you said, they seemed very real and were unsettling when I woke up. Each time when I woke up, I was just certain I'd been smoking, but it was only in my dream. But when I'm awake, and I realize that I only smoked in my dream, I felt so much better to learn I hadn't blown my quit!

I'm now 10 weeks as a non-smoker. That's 1400 cigarettes avoided and a savings of about $250!
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AbOlivigail
AbOlivigail

December 4th, 2007, 3:02 pm #249

The smoking dream I had around week 2 was amazing. Not good amazing, but amazing in it's realism. As a previous poster mentioned, I felt worse than awful when I suddenly realized that I was holding a cigarette in my dream, and that I had apparently been smoking it. It took me a few moments to realize that it WAS a dream when I awoke. The great thing is, thanks to that bizarrely realistic dream, I now know exactly how it would feel to "give in" and take a puff.

Jenny - Free and Healing for One Month, Eight Days, 10 Hours and 31 Minutes, while extending my life expectancy 2 Days and 16 Hours, by avoiding the use of 769 nicotine delivery devices that would have cost me $231.00.
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pdquit
pdquit

March 17th, 2008, 10:36 am #250

I had a different kind of smoking dream. I had a dream it started to snow and there was a blizzard coming. So I jumped in my truck and headed for the store cause I was out of cigarettes. I was kinda in a panic and I drove like a maniac to get there. I ran into the store and up to the counter and then I stopped and laughed and said "Wait a minute. I dont smoke!!! I turned around and left. I take that as a good sign that I am strong enough and determined enough to make it an NTAP!

PD
quit 24 days and 19 hours ago and I'm feeling great!
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JoeJFree Gold
JoeJFree Gold

September 29th, 2008, 7:19 pm #251

If you had imagined yourself smoking a cigarette in a dream before you quit it would not have registered. Smoking was an every day occurence.
It is what you did, it was how you lived - dose to dose.
Now, when we show up in our dreams & we are smoking it does not mean we want to smoke a cigarette or use some tobacco, it only means that was a normal activity for quite some time during our lives. Much like conscious thoughts - Dreams cannot harm you. Actions speak louder than words - or thought
More than anything the panic and confusion when waking up after one of these dreams thinking you've relapsed and thrown away your quit is a sign of deep psychological healing. You even believe you're an ex-smoker in your dreams. That is the mindset of a committed ex-smoker. As Joel so correctly states:
In regards to smoking, no matter what you do in your dreams, you will be OK as long as you remember in your waking state to Never Take Another Puff!

Joel
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EtherBunny73
EtherBunny73

November 12th, 2008, 9:36 am #252

I had the smoking dream last night.

In my dream, I smoked with a girl that I knew when I first started smoking... Very strange, I hadn't though of her in at least 15-17 years. Hopefully she has quit too.

In the dream I kept thinking "Why am I doing this?" and I kept looking at my hands thinking that they smelled bad.

It's odd how so many of us have this dream.
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ThePanster
ThePanster

March 20th, 2009, 12:40 am #253

Freedom...you must be deep in my head!

Like so many, I get this dream a lot. What is so weird is that so many of us are having the same dream--I mean, the same theme and the same horrible feeling about losing our quits. I wonder if the common thread is connected to the other common thread we share--the great education we get here and the focus on the fact that as addicts, we all know that one puff = all.

In past quits, I also had dreams about smoking, so I'm not surprised by them at all--but I am surprised that the theme is always about losing my quit and how horrible that feels emotionally. I remember dreaming before that I felt sad that I'd give up a "friend"--sick to think of that now.

I'm glad for these new dreams. Though vivid and sometimes disturbing, they are a great reminder to me that I've got an education here that has changed the way I'm thinking, apparenlty even into my subsconscious.

Amanda

- Free and Healing for One Month, Twenty Two Days, 22 Hours and 27 Minutes, while extending my life expectancy 2 Days and 15 Hours, by oiding the use of 764 nicotine delivery devices that would have cost me $135.90.
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Renee
Renee

August 18th, 2009, 11:21 pm #254

Just wanted to say I have had 2 smoking dreams also.....within the 1st month of my quit. They were very strange. Last night I had a wierd dream about an old friend that smoked, she still smoked but I did NOT in the dream. woohoo

Luckily I had read about these smoking dreams HERE and was not suprised or threatened by them Thanks again FREEDOM!
Renee - Free and Healing for One Month, Twelve Days, 21 Hours and 20 Minutes, while extending my life expectancy 3 Days and 19 Hours, by avoiding the use of 1097 nicotine delivery devices that would have cost me $192.36.
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Frogress80
Frogress80

July 11th, 2010, 6:25 pm #255

I am glad I read that explanation. I must really don't want to smoke, cause i felt awful when i woke up! Thanks
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stratsquire
stratsquire

December 13th, 2010, 7:30 pm #256

Thank you Joel, John, OBob, Marty, and everyone else for: a) such an insightful series of posts on this subject, and b) for such an incredible qualitative data set regarding "the smoking dream"--one from which I think we may begin to identify some correlations.

First of all, Joel's post that assures us that our dreams are not simply "repressed urges" must be taken as a given, and can serve as a "jumping off" point for further thought on the subject.

All but TWO of the posts in this thread relate to dreams in which people who have arrested their nicotine addictions "realize" they are smoking or "find" themselves smoking, or otherwise catch themselves in the act without having dreamed the conscious precursor to the act--a.k.a the "decision" to take a puff. I find this facinating, and very telling. It reminds me of the thousands of times when, as a slave to nicotine, I would unconsiously light a cigarette, smoke it, extinguish it, light another, etc. until my entire pack was in my ashtray. I know John wrote about this phenomenon in his ebook (as well as in a few of his posts on other threads).

What I am getting at is that the dream (or perhaps more aptly--the nightmare) is about reintroducing nicotine to ourselves (the addicts) without conscious thought, and thus relapsing without intending to do so. Joel teaches us that the conscious mind is the "gatekeeper" that can make sure that we never take another puff

Let me take a moment to recap my own dream. Like all but two of the dreams I have read about on this thread, my dream did not involve a conscious choice to smoke. Rather it involved me becoming aware of the fact that I was smoking, leading to the inference that I had taken that "first puff" without any intent or knowing mental state at all. Then, at the moment I looked own and realized I was smoking, I got FURIOUS with myself. While still dreaming, I thought to myself that it was not possible, and that my conscious mind was my gatekeeper and would never have allowed this to happen. While still dreaming I realized that I had blown my quit, and that I would have to quit again, immediately, so as to minimize as much as possible my future withdrawal (and maximize my chances of success-- i.e. no long drawn-out plan to quit). While still dreaming, I then thought about freedom and was instantly angrier at myself than before (if that is possible) and realized that I would never be able to post again, and that my new quit (yes I quit again in the dream within seconds of having smoked) would not involve interacting with the Freedom community. I briefly entertained a thought of lying about the slip. I thought of Joel's article regarding the Law of Addiction and the retaining of an attorney to defend a relapse. I even had an argument for my attorney! In criminal law (at least in America) crimes are made up of a series of elements. For example. Murder of the first degree is the 1)intentional 2)taking of the life 3)of another person 4)with malice aforethought. Robbery is 1)the taking 2)of property of another 3)by force or threat of force, however slight 4)with intent to permenently deprive thereof.

My point is that some of these elements are requisite mental states, know in criminal law as the mens rea. For any criime that requires a knowing or intentional act, it is a complete defense to successfully argue that the act was done, but not knowingly or intentionally. To use murder as an example, the "malice" requirement and the "intentional" requirement are why a fatal car accident is not premeditated murder for the surviving driver.

So before I get too far afield, lets tie this back into the law of addiciton, smoking, and the "smoking dream." First of all, the mens rea defense, though worthy of sympathy, must fail. In other words, the law of addiciton is not a law like the robbery law of the murder law--it does not have a mens rea element. It does not matter what an addict is thinking )or whether he/she is even conscious of) the reintroduction of the addictive substance--all that matters is that the physiological cause-and-effect that makes the law what it is set in motion, and the only options will be to cease administration again (and go through withdrawal) or continue to readminister the addictive substance (and thus become a slave again.) So my attorney (the one I retained to defend against my unintentional relapse) will lose my case.

So is the "smoking dream"actually a nightmare about faultless relapse? At least two of us since 2001 describe a conscious decision to take a puff. But for the vast majority of us, it is possible. Another very interesting thing (and I wish people had been a little more clear in their descriptions) is the "anger" and "disappointment" people recall feeling regarding the fact that they smoked. It simply is not clear to me if people are WAKING UP and feeling that anger and remorse (which would lead me to one set of conclusions) or if, like me, they were angry at themselves and felt remorse IN THE DREAM ITSELF. Upon close reading of the various descriptions of the dreams, it seems that many were like me and got mad at themselves while still dreaming.

I really want to finish this post, but I have to run to a meeting. Gonna post this (rather than risk losing it) and hopefully finish it up this evening or tomorrow.

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Marty
Marty

December 19th, 2010, 9:19 am #257

What a fascinating post, Stratsquire    

Even after nine years and more, I can remember vividly not the detail of my dreams but the huge effect they had on me. Incidentally, I also well remember intending to lie about my relapese in order to retain my membership of Freedom!!!

Yes, I was uncontrollably angry with myself, and I am quite clear that I was angry whilst the dream continued, and also when I woke up. In the dreaming state there were occasions when I shouted at myself, almost as though I had become two separate people - one the relapser, the other the prosecutor. Then when I woke, very often I would lie in bed for a minute or more in a deep state of despondency, gritting my teeth in anger. I recall one occasion when I got up, got dressed, and was making my breakfast before I suddenly realised that I hadn't relapsed after all. I'm sure I have said many times in this thread what a powerful effect the smoking dream had on me, and my quit  

It had never occurred to me, before your great exposition above, that almost none of the smoking dreamers have dreamed of the point at which they relapsed, the moment they actually lit that cigarette and smoked it. Could it be that none of us could actually visualise that act? Maybe we were so firmly determined that it would never happen that we could not, even in our subconscious state, allow ourselves to glimpse the act?

I'm looking forward to your continuation, counsellor  
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bexjc
bexjc

January 28th, 2011, 2:15 pm #258

...didn't involve smoking at all!  However cigarettes were falling from the sky in a rain of temptation   
I've noticed the smoking dreams dissipated after the first couple of weeks nicotine-free - what a relief!  A short time into recovery and even a dream-ciggie disgusts me.

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meerkat
meerkat

March 6th, 2011, 10:00 am #259

Thanks, Joel! Very interesting and informative. I haven't had another smoking dream, but it's good to know I can come back to reread this if/when I do.
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momof8
momof8

September 16th, 2011, 3:05 pm #260


I can remember so many of these in my early months of quitting.  They were so real I would wake up and be so dissapointed in myself for smoking. 
Once, I was even ready to get on this site and confess and relinquish my posting rights before I finally realized that it really was only a dream. 
I am amazed at how real they can be.  I had not had any until a couple weeks ago as I was coming up on my 1 year mark.  Once again it was so real
I was griping at myself,  I couldn't believe I had almost made it to a year and had given it.  Luckily I did realize that it was only a dream--again. 

Once again, I have been so glad to have found this site and be able to learn what to anticipate as I go through my quit.  I know not everyone
experiences the same things, but to get on and see that things that I have gone through are not abnormal has been a big help over the last year.

Leigh - Free and Healing for One Year, Six Days, 15 Hours and 53 Minutes, while extending my life expectancy 32 Days and 6 Hours, by avoiding the use of 9292 nicotine delivery devices that would have cost me $2,594.61.
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larryjr
larryjr

January 13th, 2012, 9:11 am #261

I'm glad I read this, because the other night I had a nightmare that I smoked like ten cigarettes in a row.  I woke up sweating and out of breath.  I thought I was losing my mind until I read this article.  If I didn't have this site I would probably be smoking again.  Thanks again Joel for your life saving advice.  It's only been 12 days for me but it feels great, I'm ready for a lifetime of freedom.          NEVER TAKE ANOTHER PUFF!
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lass67
lass67

October 12th, 2012, 4:41 pm #262

Thanks to all who have added to this great thread.  I have been quit for 99 days and last night had my fourth smoking dream. The dream plots are minimal and variable -- I might be sitting round a table with friends or just walking down a street chatting with somebody when I suddenly realize I am smoking.  As stratsquire observed a few posts above, there is no conscious decision to smoke within the dream; the dream begins with the discovery I am already smoking, and within the dream I feel a whole host of intense emotions,  the strongest of which is an intense disappointment in myself for having blown my good quit. I feel anger at myself, contempt as well, and feel utterly defeated by my weakness. These smoking dreams are nightmares of sorts, but unlike other kinds of nightmares, they are not dispelled upon waking. Normally, if I wake briefly in the night between sleep cycles, whatever dream I was having vaporizes or is immediately understood to be a dream. These smoking dreams, however, linger in a singular way. It is not that I resume the dream when I go back to sleep as sometimes happens with other dreams. It is that the belief that I am a relapsed smoker has become part of my dreamer identity, and it is not until I am fully awake in the morning that I realize I have not in fact, in physical fact, smoked. Even then, mixed in with the relief, is a bit of demoralized feeling as if I had lapsed in my heart if not in deed.  

I can't think of any other kind of dream that reaches into my identity the way these smoking dreams do. 


The positive takeaway is increased awareness of how much I do not want to ever smoke again. The negative is an erosion of  confidence in my quit, as if the dream is saying, you can't do it. If I were complacent, I could turn this to my advantage. I am, however, a long way from complacent.


Leah
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free2bme
free2bme

February 8th, 2013, 2:32 pm #263

"It kinds of gives you a sense of how bad you would feel if you actually do go back to smoking. Not physically speaking but psychologically". Yes! They are nightmarish. I identify so much with this one!
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MauriceS
MauriceS

February 10th, 2015, 8:45 am #264

Thanks for all the posts. I learn a lot here.
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jjbaker
jjbaker

February 17th, 2015, 8:26 am #265

It took 5 weeks and one day to experience this. Thanks to reading a lot the dream came and went as a anticipated event.
There was no joy in smoking, it was simple and fast opportunity mixed with weakness with instant regret and fear of having to smoke again.
I still do not and have not had a single craving or desire for even a single puff. Smoking a whole cigarette, or more than one like in the dream is completely unimaginable.
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