Once and for all, there is no Nicodemon

Once and for all, there is no Nicodemon

Joel
Joined: 18 Dec 2008, 23:57

10 Jun 2004, 00:31 #1

There is no "Nicodemon"

The in-depth view of why we don't embrace the term of "Nicodemon."

Nicodemon seems to give the impression of an evil persona associated with the chemical nicotine. Nicotine is no more evil than arsenic or carbon monoxide or hydrogen cyanide--all chemicals found in tobacco smoke. Although nicotine is unique among the thousands of other chemicals that comprise tobacco smoke because it is the addictive chemical in tobacco.

Even so, the idea that nicotine is somehow calling to a smoker who is off smoking for weeks or months is quite inaccurate. It is the person himself or herself whose own mind is creating the desire from triggers that he or she is experiencing. Those triggers are also not evil, they are just life events being experienced for the first time.

I think the problems I have with the terms is they make nicotine seem to have more power than it actually does. The personification given to it can make an individual feel that nicotine has the potential of tricking him or her into smoking. An inanimate object such as a chemical has no such power. As John has said often nicotine has an IQ of zero. People do not overcome the grip of chemical addictions by being stronger than the drug but rather by being smarter than the drug.

Lets not give nicotine more credit than it is due. Lets not make it some cute and cuddly or evil and plotting entity--it is a chemical that alters brain chemistry. It is no different than heroin, cocaine or alcohol. These drugs don't have cute names given to them either and giving them to nicotine can start to make it seem different than these other substance--more trivial or less serious in a way. Nicotine is not more trivial than other drugs of addiction and in fact kills more people than all other drugs of addiction combined.

I think the only place where I think I have ever appreciated the term "Nicodemon" is in this one string. Because in this one post the lies that people make up in order to secure their continued use of a deadly drug are all dispelled in one quick swoop. It has a short, simple and catchy title that seems to fit the logic used in this piece very well--Nicodemon Lies. But anyone reading this whole article and the associated links quickly will realize that these are not the lies of a demon, these are the lies made up by an addict rationalizing, legitimizing, defending and protecting his or her drug use. They are the lies that people make up and tell themselves to defend the otherwise un-defendable.

People cannot rationalize the reason that they smoke with truths; they can only do it with lies. More important for people here though is that a person cannot secure his or her quit by telling himself or herself lies either, but he or she can secure his or her quit by telling himself or herself the truth. The truth is that the only way to keep yourself smoke free is to simply accept the truth that to stay smoke free you must never take another puff!

Joel



Originally in the string Nicodemon's Lies?


New video addressing this issue added August 5, 2012



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Joel
Joined: 18 Dec 2008, 23:57

10 Jun 2004, 03:41 #2

ImageImagesmurfetteirl Sent: 6/9/2004 2:04

Thanks joel, it bugs me to hear it too,
never give nicotine any power Image
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johnny L irish
Joined: 07 Jan 2009, 18:57

10 Jun 2004, 03:59 #3


Thanks, Joel -

One of my favorite parts in Nicodemon Lies is John's closer about there being no such thing, that it has no I.Q., is merely an alkaloid compound with such-and-such a formula. To "assign" nicotine a personality is ludicrous. It does not carry sensible faculties around with it, i.e., the ability to see, touch, hear, smell and taste -- that is, characteristcs common to a living thing. How ridiculous, giving it a seat next to the driver and then, of all things, daring it to take the driver's seat. Brother.Image

Johnny

116 days quit

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kattatonic1 gold4
Joined: 18 Dec 2008, 23:57

11 Jul 2004, 01:46 #4

This thought might be useful to some:
When I used the term nicodemon in the past, I was really talking about my inner junkie voice. That was not a difficult conversion in thinking for me. After reading here, everytime I wanted to blame nicotine for something or personify it, I just flipped the thought from something like "the nicodemon is calling me" to "my addiction has been triggered by X today".

~ Kay ~
Celebrating 6 months + of Freedom~!
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Sea Two
Joined: 18 Dec 2008, 23:58

13 Aug 2004, 20:46 #5

Oooops......my apologies. Never really read that one, just saw the term, and obviously read it out of context.
NTAP !!!!Image
ImageGabrielle - Free and Healing for One Month, Fifteen Days, 7 Hours and 42 Minutes, while extending my life expectancy 3 Days and 3 Hours, by avoiding the use of 906 nicotine delivery devices that would have cost me $127.14.
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GreenSolveg
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18 Aug 2004, 18:49 #6

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Joel
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31 Mar 2005, 01:21 #7

This thread kind of has its own theme song now...




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From: ImageImagelisamiano (Original Message) Sent: 3/30/2005 11:05 AM
I hope John doesn't mind....

Imagine there's no nicodemon,
It's easy if you try,
No inner junkie,
To tempt us from inside,
Imagine all the addicts
living for today...
Imagine there's no withdrawl,
It isnt hard to do,
Nothing to crave or want for,
No NRT too,
Imagine all the addicts
living life in peace...
Imagine no frustrations,
I wonder if you can,
No need for midnight store runs,
For a pack or a can.
Imagine all the addicts
Understanding their addiction ...
You may say Im a dreamer,
but Im not the only one,
I hope some day you'll join us,
And read the truth on this forum.


John (Gold)

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ZZRSteve GOLD
Joined: 19 Dec 2008, 00:01

14 May 2005, 08:39 #8

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Joel
Joined: 18 Dec 2008, 23:57

13 Jul 2005, 22:45 #9

I see where a new member apparently picked up the term Nicodemon from a real world setting. It made me start to wonder if the term is actually working its way into live conversations in the real world. Since we're dealing with a cross section of people here who are basically from many areas from around the world, I thought I'd pose the question here on the board.

Has anyone else ever encountered the use of the term nicodemon in conversations with others in their real world settings--especially from people who are not likely to use any Internet Support sites on smoking cessation?
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ElevenPinkFlowers
Joined: 18 Dec 2008, 23:58

19 Jul 2005, 19:22 #10

Hi Joel,

yes: A friend of mine who, quit four months before me, uses the term (pronounced in a German way, of course). Sometimes, she says "Nicotine Monster", too.

She quit with the help of a real-life seminar that was sponsored through work. It is very interesting: She works in the pharmaceutical industry, and still, her employer asked a tutor to come in and help people to quit cold turkey.

Apparently, the tutor used the term in the seminar to help people imagine how they could want to smoke and yet know that it would kill them one day.

I heard the term from my friend first, before going online, stumbling over it on the Internet, and before finally finding Freedom.

PinkFlowers
Free since 2 March 2005
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