Joel
Joel

January 12th, 2006, 2:42 am #21

For the record, the only quitmeter measurement date that is valid at Freedom is the very last date you administered nicotine.
The text below from the string Reading at other quit smoking sites really explains why we want our members reporting the time that they are actually off nicotine rather than just off smoking.
For our members and readers who also read or participate at other quit smoking sites

We have members and readers here at Freedom who also read or participate at other online support sites. Recently one of our members posed a question at the board as to why a specific member at another site was still having such a hard time even though the person was off smoking for several months. Actually, we took the post off the board at Freedom because it specifically copied and pasted the post from the member at the other site and we do not allow posts from other sites at our board without prior permission of our managers.

The question though touches on a few important concepts that would be beneficial for us to address for people who do read at other sites. There are some real limitations to reported quit times at most other boards because quit meters at other sites do not often reflect how long the person is actually off nicotine. Some people may still be on NRT or have just very recently got off the nicotine product even though their meters may show a much longer "quit" time.

Then there are the constant discussions that go on at other sites as to whether people should reset their quit meters if they only have a few cigarettes, or one cigarette, or a puff. The debate of what is a slip and what is a relapse is standard and daily fare at most sites. When it comes down to it you just don't know the accuracy of quit time periods from anyone at most sites by simply reading their quit meters.

We have a string at Freedom titled Tell a newbie how many seconds a day you still want a cigarette . This is an extremely important string. If you go back and read through the hundreds of responses from people who are off for weeks, months, or even years and you will get a real appreciation of just how infrequent smoking thoughts really are for people who totally break free from nicotine. If you were to pose the exact same question at other sites that have the limitations of variable interpretations of what it means to be truly quit you would likely see many different answers and a wide variety of responses to this very same question.

The problem of defining what is really being quit can even pose problems to people who are not using any form of NRT or had any "slips" (relapses), for by reading the comments of other people who are "off smoking" for days, weeks, months or years and who are still complaining of this symptom and that craving can set up the expectation that quitting is really a long drawn out battle. This sets the stage for either a self-fulfilling prophecy situation or for easily blaming everything that goes wrong in an ex-smoker's life on the fact that he or she had quit smoking.

If you are you feeling stressed on a particular day weeks into your quit or having a specific physical symptom-it must be because you quit smoking. After all, look at those other people who are feeling stressed or having the same physical symptom the same day who have been off for just as long. We on the other hand try to insure that our readers recognize that if they are feeling stress or are having a physical symptom it is probably because they are just facing one or more stressful situations or are having symptoms to a problem that they had better find the real underlying reason for the cause. The string Life goes on without smoking explores this issue.

Other sites often lack a very thorough educational component helping people to understand important concepts inspiring people to quit or reinforcing their resolve to stay off. We have four major components built into the sites of www.whyquit.com and Freedom. We try to give our readers the understanding of why they smoke, why they should stop, how to stop, and most importantly, how to stay free from not only smoking but from the control of nicotine. The combination of having all of this information and being truly nicotine free gives our readers a real edge in sustaining their quits and of helping them to have a healthier and happier outlook on their life as a non-smoker. We help them to develop a more positive attitude and this will often minimize the emotional adjustment period people can experience when quitting. We also help them to see early on that they are not depriving themselves of a cigarette as opposed to ridding themselves of smoking. We in essence help to speed up the emotional recovery process for many of our readers.

I sometimes worry about our members participating at other sites for the conventional wisdom advice and different philosophies taught can sometimes sidetrack them in their progress. In a way though I think it can also be helpful for some to read at other sites too as long as they read at these sites with an educated and critical eye. Our members will often see people having an extended hard time and may very well be able to recognize just why these other people are in a perpetual emotional or physical withdrawal state and end up feeling more grateful and protective of their own quits. Our members will also see relapses on a regular basis and realize just how important it is to do everything in their power to make this quit stick.

By the way, we have guidelines as to how to behave as a Freedom member when at other sites. I am going to copy comments we have in Mission  string that talks about how we don't want our members stirring up debates at other sites with our materials and philosophies. What we are doing here at Freedom is controversial and we do not believe in stirring up controversies at other sites.

Also I am going to attach a few other links here that I think would be good for people who participate at other sites to read. Again, if you do read at other sites work at developing a critical eye and recognize what you are reading may not be what the person is writing. You may be reading "nicotine free," when the writer was saying "smoke free" or even "smoke free except for that one puff here and there that didn't really count."

Again, read these additional links below, They will help to prepare you to read anywhere and to recognize the real advantage you have in understanding just why you quit and why you are still totally convinced that you want to stick to your personal commitment to never take another puff.

Joel

Threads that shows how we are different than other sites:

I liked my other support group more

The teaching of conventional wisdom at Freedom

Good news, our members don't relapse anymore...

Do members of our board seem to be too happy?

Misery loves company

Quitting can be a very lonely experience

Prolonging withdrawal symptoms - NRT

NRT & quitting products

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Joel
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February 11th, 2006, 7:02 am #22

For the record, the only quitmeter measurement date that is valid at Freedom is the very last date you administered nicotine.
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JoeJFree Gold
JoeJFree Gold

February 24th, 2006, 2:21 am #23

We measure cessation not from the date that you changed your method of nicotine delivery but from when all delivery ended.
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JoeJFree Gold
JoeJFree Gold

May 5th, 2006, 1:11 am #24

We measure cessation not from the date that you changed your method of nicotine delivery but from when all delivery ended.
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veedub25
veedub25

May 5th, 2006, 1:19 am #25

Totally agree with this way of thinking in that your quit date is your last day with any sort of nicotine. I quit cigarettes on March 1, 2006 and escaped nicotine on April 16, 2006.

I have escaped for 2 Weeks, 3 Days, 16 hours, 53 minutes and 21 seconds (17 days). I have saved $140.20 by not smoking 389 cigarettes. I have saved 1 Day, 8 hours and 25 minutes of my life. My Quit Date: 4/16/2006 8:25 PM
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JoeJFree Gold
JoeJFree Gold

September 6th, 2006, 11:39 pm #26

The only measure of 'free' that matters for long term recovery
- is time accumulated Nicotine Free.
It is the ONLY measure of success accepted here at FFTQSN. It is the reason we must be 72 consectutive hours nic-free before even applying to join this forum.

"A 100% nicotine-clean cold turkey quitting forum"
Where desire is educated, motivated, and supported.

There are no 'Smokers' or 'Chewers' or 'Dippers'! There are only Nicotine Addicts prolonging their addiction by inhaling the nicotine laden smoke of a burning paper tube of tobacco or digesting the juices of the tobacco plant.

Contrary to popular belief and conventional wisdom, quitting smoking and still ingesting pharmaceutical grade nicotine via numerous delivery devices is doing absolutely NOTHING in treating the core issure - Nicotine Addiction.
Nicotine Replacement is a misnomer because the only thing being 'replaced' is the delivery vehicle.

Nicotine REMOVAL Therapy is the only measure of success in having control of your addiction by following the one rule we all follow - No Nicotine Today by Never Taking Another Puff / Pinch / Patch / Piece / Pull.
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Inky15880
Inky15880

August 23rd, 2007, 4:26 pm #27

Some more for Kitty :)
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JoeJFree Gold
JoeJFree Gold

August 29th, 2007, 9:33 pm #28

In response to a recent post citing a prior 'successful' 3 month NRT supported 'Quit'.

Contrary to popular belief and conventional wisdom, quitting smoking and still ingesting pharmaceutical grade nicotine via numerous delivery devices is doing absolutely NOTHING in treating the core issure - Nicotine Addiction.
Nicotine Replacement is a misnomer because the only thing being 'replaced' is the delivery vehicle.

Nicotine REMOVAL Therapy is the only measure of success in having control of your addiction by following the one rule we all follow -
No Nicotine Today by Never Taking Another Puff / Pinch / Patch / Piece / Pull.

Joe J Free for 960 days cause I decided on 1/10/05 that nicotine would no longer be allowed in me. NTAP!
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Dancersue1
Dancersue1

August 29th, 2007, 10:42 pm #29

Thank you so much for putting this up! I believe so strongly in Cold Turkey and not delivering any nicotine at all in any form is the only way, for me. I decided this after using the patch, gum, zyban over the years without success. I must do this cold turkey, my life depends on it. I am worth the hard work, I want to remember how difficult it is to quit, I dont want my quit sugar coated. I need to wrap myself in the knowledge that I will never take another Puff and I need to understand why. I can make excuses about why I need the patch,gum etc but I would only be fooling myself. I need to be honest this time, honest with myself and that I am so important to me, I value my life, I want to live freedom!

Thank you for listening to my mini rant :)
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Joel
Joel

September 6th, 2007, 5:11 am #30

From above:
From: JoeJFree-Gold- Sent: 8/29/2007 8:33 AM
In response to a recent post citing a prior 'successful' 3 month NRT supported 'Quit'.

Contrary to popular belief and conventional wisdom, quitting smoking and still ingesting pharmaceutical grade nicotine via numerous delivery devices is doing absolutely NOTHING in treating the core issure - Nicotine Addiction.
Nicotine Replacement is a misnomer because the only thing being 'replaced' is the delivery vehicle.

Nicotine REMOVAL Therapy is the only measure of success in having control of your addiction by following the one rule we all follow -
No Nicotine Today by Never Taking Another Puff / Pinch / Patch / Piece / Pull.

Joe J Free for 960 days cause I decided on 1/10/05 that nicotine would no longer be allowed in me. NTAP!

I saw another occurence of this same issue today.
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Joel
Joel

November 15th, 2007, 1:02 am #31

I saw a post from a new member who was talking about a past quit of eight days, although during those eight days he had used nicotine gum. As it says above:

"the only quitmeter measurement date that is valid at Freedom is the very last date you administered nicotine."

Even in previous quits, the only ones where you even temporarily broke free from the grip of nicotine were the quits when you actually stopped administering nicotine from any source. Quits that involved NRT products were simply methods of transfering one way of administering nicotine to another way of doing it.

Articles that discuss this whole issue in detail are in the string Limitations with the use of NRT products .
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Vladimir C
Vladimir C

March 18th, 2008, 6:49 pm #32

Hi, didn't know where to post this so i'm sorry if this is the wrong topic...
I have a need for a quit meter that would show the money saved in euros, not dolars... kinda makes it harder for me to convert the dolars into euros everyday for some other european forums. Please, can you tell me if there is a quit meter that works just like this one but has the euro crurrency as an option? Thank you in advance for your answer.
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off2agr8start
off2agr8start

March 19th, 2008, 12:43 am #33

I remember when I found out I was pregnant with my second child and I asked the doctor if there was anything I could take to quit and he said no that I would have to quit cold turkey. I seriously thought I would die just thinking about quitting cold turkey!!!! I started back up after she was born, and knowing that I could do it cold turkey I still thought I needed something to help me!

I quit this time (for good)with my dad. We have both been smoke free for 15 days and he is using commit lozenges. I think about smoking MAYBE once a day and it is a really quick thought and then gone, my dad on the other hand still has very frequent cravings. It just shows that NRT just prolongs the "misery!"

I am so glad I found this site! And I thank everyone here!

Candi
Free and Healing for Fifteen Days, 11 Hours and 42 Minutes, while extending my life expectancy 1 Day and 1 Hour, by avoiding the use of 310 nicotine delivery devices that would have cost me $61.99.
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John (Gold)
John (Gold)

March 19th, 2008, 12:54 am #34

Vladimir, I spent some time searching for a free quit counter that counts in Euros and was unsuccessful. Now that does not mean there isn't one, just that I wasn't able to find it. If any one locates a quit meter than counts in Euros could you please drop me a line at [url=mailto:john@whyquit.com]john@whyquit.com[/url] so that I might update both Freedom's and WhyQuit's links to quit meters. Thanks.
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Vladimir C
Vladimir C

March 19th, 2008, 3:10 am #35

Thank you John... I'll say again it is really a blessing i found this site. Godbless you all for everything you have done for so many people so far and will no doubt continue to do.
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Stevo Wev0
Stevo Wev0

March 19th, 2008, 3:19 am #36

Hi Guys,

SilkQuit will display in you local currency; it picks up the details from your windows settings so just make sure you have things set to Euros.

I just checked that it does work for Euros and you're good.

Steve
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Vladimir C
Vladimir C

March 19th, 2008, 5:22 am #37

Thx a lot Stevo... Godbless
Vladimir - I have been quit for 2 Weeks, 1 Day, 6 hours, 12 minutes and 1 second (15 days). I have saved 16,70 by not smoking 457 cigarettes. I have saved 1 Day, 14 hours and 5 minutes of my life. My Quit Date: 03/03/2008 16:10
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JoeJFree Gold
JoeJFree Gold

April 28th, 2008, 10:08 pm #38

The solution does not lie in wheter or not a person is inhaling tobacco smoke. The Solution resides in one's resolve to no longer ingest nicotine - of any kind - in order to gain freedom from addiction. Never cured but comfortably adjusted by keeping true to just one rule - no nicotine today by any means in any measure.

Joe J (Gold x3.25) free of nicotine and living as I was always meant to be.
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Joel
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August 10th, 2008, 10:18 am #39

I see we have a new member who is quitting at the same time as other people using alternative methods to quit. The following comments address this issue:
For the record, the only quitmeter measurement date that is valid at Freedom is the very last date you administered nicotine.
The text below from the string Reading at other quit smoking sites really explains why we want our members reporting the time that they are actually off nicotine rather than just off smoking.
For our members and readers who also read or participate at other quit smoking sites

We have members and readers here at Freedom who also read or participate at other online support sites. Recently one of our members posed a question at the board as to why a specific member at another site was still having such a hard time even though the person was off smoking for several months. Actually, we took the post off the board at Freedom because it specifically copied and pasted the post from the member at the other site and we do not allow posts from other sites at our board without prior permission of our managers.

The question though touches on a few important concepts that would be beneficial for us to address for people who do read at other sites. There are some real limitations to reported quit times at most other boards because quit meters at other sites do not often reflect how long the person is actually off nicotine. Some people may still be on NRT or have just very recently got off the nicotine product even though their meters may show a much longer "quit" time.

Then there are the constant discussions that go on at other sites as to whether people should reset their quit meters if they only have a few cigarettes, or one cigarette, or a puff. The debate of what is a slip and what is a relapse is standard and daily fare at most sites. When it comes down to it you just don't know the accuracy of quit time periods from anyone at most sites by simply reading their quit meters.

We have a string at Freedom titled Tell a newbie how many seconds a day you still want a cigarette . This is an extremely important string. If you go back and read through the hundreds of responses from people who are off for weeks, months, or even years and you will get a real appreciation of just how infrequent smoking thoughts really are for people who totally break free from nicotine. If you were to pose the exact same question at other sites that have the limitations of variable interpretations of what it means to be truly quit you would likely see many different answers and a wide variety of responses to this very same question.

The problem of defining what is really being quit can even pose problems to people who are not using any form of NRT or had any "slips" (relapses), for by reading the comments of other people who are "off smoking" for days, weeks, months or years and who are still complaining of this symptom and that craving can set up the expectation that quitting is really a long drawn out battle. This sets the stage for either a self-fulfilling prophecy situation or for easily blaming everything that goes wrong in an ex-smoker's life on the fact that he or she had quit smoking.

If you are you feeling stressed on a particular day weeks into your quit or having a specific physical symptom-it must be because you quit smoking. After all, look at those other people who are feeling stressed or having the same physical symptom the same day who have been off for just as long. We on the other hand try to insure that our readers recognize that if they are feeling stress or are having a physical symptom it is probably because they are just facing one or more stressful situations or are having symptoms to a problem that they had better find the real underlying reason for the cause. The string Life goes on without smoking explores this issue.

Other sites often lack a very thorough educational component helping people to understand important concepts inspiring people to quit or reinforcing their resolve to stay off. We have four major components built into the sites of www.whyquit.com and Freedom. We try to give our readers the understanding of why they smoke, why they should stop, how to stop, and most importantly, how to stay free from not only smoking but from the control of nicotine. The combination of having all of this information and being truly nicotine free gives our readers a real edge in sustaining their quits and of helping them to have a healthier and happier outlook on their life as a non-smoker. We help them to develop a more positive attitude and this will often minimize the emotional adjustment period people can experience when quitting. We also help them to see early on that they are not depriving themselves of a cigarette as opposed to ridding themselves of smoking. We in essence help to speed up the emotional recovery process for many of our readers.

I sometimes worry about our members participating at other sites for the conventional wisdom advice and different philosophies taught can sometimes sidetrack them in their progress. In a way though I think it can also be helpful for some to read at other sites too as long as they read at these sites with an educated and critical eye. Our members will often see people having an extended hard time and may very well be able to recognize just why these other people are in a perpetual emotional or physical withdrawal state and end up feeling more grateful and protective of their own quits. Our members will also see relapses on a regular basis and realize just how important it is to do everything in their power to make this quit stick.

By the way, we have guidelines as to how to behave as a Freedom member when at other sites. I am going to copy comments we have in Mission  string that talks about how we don't want our members stirring up debates at other sites with our materials and philosophies. What we are doing here at Freedom is controversial and we do not believe in stirring up controversies at other sites.

Also I am going to attach a few other links here that I think would be good for people who participate at other sites to read. Again, if you do read at other sites work at developing a critical eye and recognize what you are reading may not be what the person is writing. You may be reading "nicotine free," when the writer was saying "smoke free" or even "smoke free except for that one puff here and there that didn't really count."

Again, read these additional links below, They will help to prepare you to read anywhere and to recognize the real advantage you have in understanding just why you quit and why you are still totally convinced that you want to stick to your personal commitment to never take another puff.

Joel

Threads that shows how we are different than other sites:

I liked my other support group more

The teaching of conventional wisdom at Freedom

Good news, our members don't relapse anymore...

Do members of our board seem to be too happy?

Misery loves company

Quitting can be a very lonely experience

Prolonging withdrawal symptoms - NRT

NRT & quitting products

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