NRT and Quit Meters

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26 Feb 2003, 07:51 #11

To All Lurkers:
Don't step down
(which is what NRT companies want you to believe it helps you do)
Just step off
(cold turkey)
it is the fastest,
best,
and ultimately
EASIEST
way to quit!
You may not think so now
but think about what is more scarier to you
QUIT SMOKING
or
illness...
testing...
waiting for results...
chemotherapy...
radiation...
radical surgeries...
or worse.
my thought for the day...
just WHO owns the NRT companies
YQS
Sharonah (green & growing)
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06 Apr 2003, 02:21 #12

Well, I couldn't afford the patch or nicotine gum. But I sure did still want some nicotine to make the quitting process easier. I "quit" two and a half weeks before my February 13th quit, but I still bummed a smoke now and then, and the last smoke I had was a butt from my friend's ashtray. I had a quit meter in my head and was counting the days as if I hadn't smoked, because one little butt didn't count. I even remember emailing Joel about my great quit and how happy I was about his library.

Then I did a bunch of reading and went through incredulity, irritation, anger, and then finally a lightbulb. I hadn't quit at all. Whether you're smoking used butts or putting a patch on your butt, you still haven't quit using nicotine and you still haven't broken your active addiction. NRT is just one more way of prolonging denial of the truth.

Anyway, the quit meter is just icing on the cake of the real celebration--that you made the right decision, and that you aren't puffing.

Alex
1 month 3 weeks 2 days
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29 Jun 2003, 19:25 #13

I see that this one has not been brought up in almost three months now. That is a good sign that our members are all pretty much on the same page now, recognizing that they are here specifically because they finally want to be free from being controlled by nicotine. Its great to want to quit to extend your life but breaking free of nicotine can bring out more more benefits than just living longer. It can improve your overall quality of life that having to maintain an active addiction complicates in many ways. The way to really be free is to permanently end all deliver of all nicotine replacement products and as far the smoked form of tobacco goes, just always remembering to never take another puff!

Joel
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29 Jul 2003, 21:06 #14

We didn't smoke cigarettes any more than a heroin
addict injected needles. We smoked nicotine!
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30 Jul 2003, 00:29 #15

It's Freedom's position, Rllothringer, that when you boil all the magic cures down and quitting aids to the very basics there is only one way on earth for those dependent upon nicotine to begin adjusting to living without it.

We know that the American Cancer Society's Cancer Facts 2003 report again asserts that that 91.2% of all successful long-term quitters quit entirely on their on own without hypnosis, herbs, acupuncture, extra vitimans, bupropion (Wellbutrin/ Zyban), any nicotine weaning products , or any formal programs such as ours.

They did it entirely on their own, most after a few tries during which they began to appreciate the power of the chemical they were dealing with. It's what this forum is about, teaching their method and the true power of one puff of nicotine.

Statistically I could combine peanut butter and acorns, market it as a new quitting aid and expect to generate a 10% midyear success rate and a 5% one year success rate - the historic on-your-own quitting rates. I could then take testimonials from the 10% at midyear and use them to sell my new quitting technique to thousands. If standing alone a product or program does not increase long-term quitting rates above normal on-your-own rates, is it not a fraud upon smokers to lead them to believe it does?

There is absolutely nothing any quitter needs to succeed but dreams and desires, something I don't think they'll find in a product or pill. In the end, regardless of method, it all boils down to robust reasons fueling patient desire to not use nicotine today , to Never Take Another Puff! John
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14 Sep 2004, 04:30 #16


If you want to fool yourself and try to fool the rest of the world that you are successfully smoke free or nicotine free for any specific length of time go right on ahead. But don't waste Freedom's time with such nonsense. Post about a relapse and an adjusted quitmeter and your message will be gone in a flash along with your membership.

For the record, the only quitmeter measurement date that is valid at Freedom is the very last date you administered nicotine.

Joel
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01 Oct 2004, 05:02 #17

Great string!



I wondered about it myself--having stopped smoking 3 weeks before I "got it" and ripped off that patch. When you stop ingesting nicotine, you're free! I don't know about the other many thousands of chemicals in the cigarettes--but you just can't get free until the addictive agent is metabolized out.

Randy

29 Days Free (not 50 days)
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18 May 2005, 20:58 #18

From above:

I see that this one has not been brought up in almost three months now. That is a good sign that our members are all pretty much on the same page now, recognizing that they are here specifically because they finally want to be free from being controlled by nicotine. Its great to want to quit to extend your life but breaking free of nicotine can bring out more more benefits than just living longer. It can improve your overall quality of life that having to maintain an active addiction complicates in many ways. The way to really be free is to permanently end all deliver of all nicotine replacement products and as far the smoked form of tobacco goes, just always remembering to never take another puff!

Joel

Also from above. Luckily we don't have to deal with these kind of incident anymore:
From: Joel. Sent: 3/12/2002 7:18 PM
I pulled a string earlier from a person who wrote her first post at Freedom saying she had recently relapsed and now asking if she should reset her quit meter. Boy did she pick the wrong group of quitters to ask that question. I thought I better bring this one up in case anyone else ever faces a similar dilemma.

For the record, it is said often at most sites that whether or not you reset your quitmeter is up to you. We agree--if you relapse it is up to you whether or not you reset your quit meter. If you want to fool yourself and try to fool the rest of the world that you are successfully smoke free go right on ahead. But don't waste Freedom's time with such foolishness. Post your relapse and your message will be gone in a flash along with your membership.


Lying to yourself or others will not secure your quit. Constantly reminding yourself of the truth will though. The truth is that the only way that you can guarantee that you will always be able to stay smoke free is to always remember to never take another puff!

Joel
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27 Aug 2005, 19:10 #19

We always have a few people who found us after starting out with NRT quits or who had previous quits where they utilized NRTs. We just want to make it clear that this quit is different because by going cold turkey the person quitting is actually getting nicotine out of his or her system system and will soon be totally out of withdrawal. Then to avoid ever facing withdrawal again is as simple as always remembering to never take another puff!
Joel
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02 Nov 2005, 08:41 #20

For the record, the only quitmeter measurement date that is valid at Freedom is the very last date you administered nicotine.
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12 Jan 2006, 02:42 #21

For the record, the only quitmeter measurement date that is valid at Freedom is the very last date you administered nicotine.
The text below from the string Reading at other quit smoking sites really explains why we want our members reporting the time that they are actually off nicotine rather than just off smoking.
For our members and readers who also read or participate at other quit smoking sites

We have members and readers here at Freedom who also read or participate at other online support sites. Recently one of our members posed a question at the board as to why a specific member at another site was still having such a hard time even though the person was off smoking for several months. Actually, we took the post off the board at Freedom because it specifically copied and pasted the post from the member at the other site and we do not allow posts from other sites at our board without prior permission of our managers.

The question though touches on a few important concepts that would be beneficial for us to address for people who do read at other sites. There are some real limitations to reported quit times at most other boards because quit meters at other sites do not often reflect how long the person is actually off nicotine. Some people may still be on NRT or have just very recently got off the nicotine product even though their meters may show a much longer "quit" time.

Then there are the constant discussions that go on at other sites as to whether people should reset their quit meters if they only have a few cigarettes, or one cigarette, or a puff. The debate of what is a slip and what is a relapse is standard and daily fare at most sites. When it comes down to it you just don't know the accuracy of quit time periods from anyone at most sites by simply reading their quit meters.

We have a string at Freedom titled Tell a newbie how many seconds a day you still want a cigarette . This is an extremely important string. If you go back and read through the hundreds of responses from people who are off for weeks, months, or even years and you will get a real appreciation of just how infrequent smoking thoughts really are for people who totally break free from nicotine. If you were to pose the exact same question at other sites that have the limitations of variable interpretations of what it means to be truly quit you would likely see many different answers and a wide variety of responses to this very same question.

The problem of defining what is really being quit can even pose problems to people who are not using any form of NRT or had any "slips" (relapses), for by reading the comments of other people who are "off smoking" for days, weeks, months or years and who are still complaining of this symptom and that craving can set up the expectation that quitting is really a long drawn out battle. This sets the stage for either a self-fulfilling prophecy situation or for easily blaming everything that goes wrong in an ex-smoker's life on the fact that he or she had quit smoking.

If you are you feeling stressed on a particular day weeks into your quit or having a specific physical symptom-it must be because you quit smoking. After all, look at those other people who are feeling stressed or having the same physical symptom the same day who have been off for just as long. We on the other hand try to insure that our readers recognize that if they are feeling stress or are having a physical symptom it is probably because they are just facing one or more stressful situations or are having symptoms to a problem that they had better find the real underlying reason for the cause. The string Life goes on without smoking explores this issue.

Other sites often lack a very thorough educational component helping people to understand important concepts inspiring people to quit or reinforcing their resolve to stay off. We have four major components built into the sites of www.whyquit.com and Freedom. We try to give our readers the understanding of why they smoke, why they should stop, how to stop, and most importantly, how to stay free from not only smoking but from the control of nicotine. The combination of having all of this information and being truly nicotine free gives our readers a real edge in sustaining their quits and of helping them to have a healthier and happier outlook on their life as a non-smoker. We help them to develop a more positive attitude and this will often minimize the emotional adjustment period people can experience when quitting. We also help them to see early on that they are not depriving themselves of a cigarette as opposed to ridding themselves of smoking. We in essence help to speed up the emotional recovery process for many of our readers.

I sometimes worry about our members participating at other sites for the conventional wisdom advice and different philosophies taught can sometimes sidetrack them in their progress. In a way though I think it can also be helpful for some to read at other sites too as long as they read at these sites with an educated and critical eye. Our members will often see people having an extended hard time and may very well be able to recognize just why these other people are in a perpetual emotional or physical withdrawal state and end up feeling more grateful and protective of their own quits. Our members will also see relapses on a regular basis and realize just how important it is to do everything in their power to make this quit stick.

By the way, we have guidelines as to how to behave as a Freedom member when at other sites. I am going to copy comments we have in Mission  string that talks about how we don't want our members stirring up debates at other sites with our materials and philosophies. What we are doing here at Freedom is controversial and we do not believe in stirring up controversies at other sites.

Also I am going to attach a few other links here that I think would be good for people who participate at other sites to read. Again, if you do read at other sites work at developing a critical eye and recognize what you are reading may not be what the person is writing. You may be reading "nicotine free," when the writer was saying "smoke free" or even "smoke free except for that one puff here and there that didn't really count."

Again, read these additional links below, They will help to prepare you to read anywhere and to recognize the real advantage you have in understanding just why you quit and why you are still totally convinced that you want to stick to your personal commitment to never take another puff.

Joel

Threads that shows how we are different than other sites:

I liked my other support group more

The teaching of conventional wisdom at Freedom

Good news, our members don't relapse anymore...

Do members of our board seem to be too happy?

Misery loves company

Quitting can be a very lonely experience

Prolonging withdrawal symptoms - NRT

NRT & quitting products

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11 Feb 2006, 07:02 #22

For the record, the only quitmeter measurement date that is valid at Freedom is the very last date you administered nicotine.
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24 Feb 2006, 02:21 #23

We measure cessation not from the date that you changed your method of nicotine delivery but from when all delivery ended.
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05 May 2006, 01:11 #24

We measure cessation not from the date that you changed your method of nicotine delivery but from when all delivery ended.
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05 May 2006, 01:19 #25

Totally agree with this way of thinking in that your quit date is your last day with any sort of nicotine. I quit cigarettes on March 1, 2006 and escaped nicotine on April 16, 2006.

I have escaped for 2 Weeks, 3 Days, 16 hours, 53 minutes and 21 seconds (17 days). I have saved $140.20 by not smoking 389 cigarettes. I have saved 1 Day, 8 hours and 25 minutes of my life. My Quit Date: 4/16/2006 8:25 PM
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06 Sep 2006, 23:39 #26

The only measure of 'free' that matters for long term recovery
- is time accumulated Nicotine Free.
It is the ONLY measure of success accepted here at FFTQSN. It is the reason we must be 72 consectutive hours nic-free before even applying to join this forum.

"A 100% nicotine-clean cold turkey quitting forum"
Where desire is educated, motivated, and supported.

There are no 'Smokers' or 'Chewers' or 'Dippers'! There are only Nicotine Addicts prolonging their addiction by inhaling the nicotine laden smoke of a burning paper tube of tobacco or digesting the juices of the tobacco plant.

Contrary to popular belief and conventional wisdom, quitting smoking and still ingesting pharmaceutical grade nicotine via numerous delivery devices is doing absolutely NOTHING in treating the core issure - Nicotine Addiction.
Nicotine Replacement is a misnomer because the only thing being 'replaced' is the delivery vehicle.

Nicotine REMOVAL Therapy is the only measure of success in having control of your addiction by following the one rule we all follow - No Nicotine Today by Never Taking Another Puff / Pinch / Patch / Piece / Pull.
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23 Aug 2007, 16:26 #27

Some more for Kitty :)
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29 Aug 2007, 21:33 #28

In response to a recent post citing a prior 'successful' 3 month NRT supported 'Quit'.

Contrary to popular belief and conventional wisdom, quitting smoking and still ingesting pharmaceutical grade nicotine via numerous delivery devices is doing absolutely NOTHING in treating the core issure - Nicotine Addiction.
Nicotine Replacement is a misnomer because the only thing being 'replaced' is the delivery vehicle.

Nicotine REMOVAL Therapy is the only measure of success in having control of your addiction by following the one rule we all follow -
No Nicotine Today by Never Taking Another Puff / Pinch / Patch / Piece / Pull.

Joe J Free for 960 days cause I decided on 1/10/05 that nicotine would no longer be allowed in me. NTAP!
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29 Aug 2007, 22:42 #29

Thank you so much for putting this up! I believe so strongly in Cold Turkey and not delivering any nicotine at all in any form is the only way, for me. I decided this after using the patch, gum, zyban over the years without success. I must do this cold turkey, my life depends on it. I am worth the hard work, I want to remember how difficult it is to quit, I dont want my quit sugar coated. I need to wrap myself in the knowledge that I will never take another Puff and I need to understand why. I can make excuses about why I need the patch,gum etc but I would only be fooling myself. I need to be honest this time, honest with myself and that I am so important to me, I value my life, I want to live freedom!

Thank you for listening to my mini rant :)
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06 Sep 2007, 05:11 #30

From above:
From: JoeJFree-Gold- Sent: 8/29/2007 8:33 AM
In response to a recent post citing a prior 'successful' 3 month NRT supported 'Quit'.

Contrary to popular belief and conventional wisdom, quitting smoking and still ingesting pharmaceutical grade nicotine via numerous delivery devices is doing absolutely NOTHING in treating the core issure - Nicotine Addiction.
Nicotine Replacement is a misnomer because the only thing being 'replaced' is the delivery vehicle.

Nicotine REMOVAL Therapy is the only measure of success in having control of your addiction by following the one rule we all follow -
No Nicotine Today by Never Taking Another Puff / Pinch / Patch / Piece / Pull.

Joe J Free for 960 days cause I decided on 1/10/05 that nicotine would no longer be allowed in me. NTAP!

I saw another occurence of this same issue today.
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15 Nov 2007, 01:02 #31

I saw a post from a new member who was talking about a past quit of eight days, although during those eight days he had used nicotine gum. As it says above:

"the only quitmeter measurement date that is valid at Freedom is the very last date you administered nicotine."

Even in previous quits, the only ones where you even temporarily broke free from the grip of nicotine were the quits when you actually stopped administering nicotine from any source. Quits that involved NRT products were simply methods of transfering one way of administering nicotine to another way of doing it.

Articles that discuss this whole issue in detail are in the string Limitations with the use of NRT products .
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18 Mar 2008, 18:49 #32

Hi, didn't know where to post this so i'm sorry if this is the wrong topic...
I have a need for a quit meter that would show the money saved in euros, not dolars... kinda makes it harder for me to convert the dolars into euros everyday for some other european forums. Please, can you tell me if there is a quit meter that works just like this one but has the euro crurrency as an option? Thank you in advance for your answer.
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19 Mar 2008, 00:43 #33

I remember when I found out I was pregnant with my second child and I asked the doctor if there was anything I could take to quit and he said no that I would have to quit cold turkey. I seriously thought I would die just thinking about quitting cold turkey!!!! I started back up after she was born, and knowing that I could do it cold turkey I still thought I needed something to help me!

I quit this time (for good)with my dad. We have both been smoke free for 15 days and he is using commit lozenges. I think about smoking MAYBE once a day and it is a really quick thought and then gone, my dad on the other hand still has very frequent cravings. It just shows that NRT just prolongs the "misery!"

I am so glad I found this site! And I thank everyone here!

Candi
Free and Healing for Fifteen Days, 11 Hours and 42 Minutes, while extending my life expectancy 1 Day and 1 Hour, by avoiding the use of 310 nicotine delivery devices that would have cost me $61.99.
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19 Mar 2008, 00:54 #34

Vladimir, I spent some time searching for a free quit counter that counts in Euros and was unsuccessful. Now that does not mean there isn't one, just that I wasn't able to find it. If any one locates a quit meter than counts in Euros could you please drop me a line at [url=mailto:john@whyquit.com]john@whyquit.com[/url] so that I might update both Freedom's and WhyQuit's links to quit meters. Thanks.
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19 Mar 2008, 03:10 #35

Thank you John... I'll say again it is really a blessing i found this site. Godbless you all for everything you have done for so many people so far and will no doubt continue to do.
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