OBob Gold
OBob Gold

February 1st, 2002, 6:31 pm #31

Thanks Mary. Looking forward to hopping on that green bus with you!

Slainte
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Felicia GOLD
Felicia GOLD

March 6th, 2002, 3:46 am #32

Joel, you are awesome! Again, I learn something very, very interesting and very pertinent to what is happening with me. Looks like it's time to be facing some issues instead of hiding. I'm not looking forward to it but I know that I will grow as a person when it happens. Keep the info coming!

Felicia
I have chosen not to smoke for 2 Weeks 14 Hours 45 Minutes 20 Seconds.
I've reclaimed 2 Days 42 Mins 57 Secs of my life.
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Photini
Photini

April 10th, 2002, 9:59 pm #33

Joel,
Thanks so much for everything! Thanks especially for recommending to join this site. Today is day 8 free of nicotine.

I think the biggest challenges I am going to face are going to be dealing with stress and emotional triggers. These posts are all very helpful.

Thanks again,

Photini
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2ants
2ants

April 25th, 2002, 8:57 pm #34

Hi Joel, I just wanted to thank you for the latest article about anger. I was just discussing with my friend yesterday about how vocal I've become since I quit smoking. Usually I'm very quiet, lately though I've been challenging everyone about everything. Now I know why,I've held some of this stuff in for years and it's finally coming out. No knockdown drag out fights just finally asserting myself and not letting people take advantage of me anymore. Thanks!
Carol
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Joanne Gold
Joanne Gold

April 25th, 2002, 9:24 pm #35

Hi Carol, I am glad this article helped you along. You certainly are not alone on this issue. Since I quit smoking my candor has been on the rise. A few folks around me were a bit taken back at first. This new found assertiveness has to be a bit more healthy, we are once again in touch with our true feelings - no more smoking them away. Those around us know just where they stand now - if it happens to be on our toes, we let them know it hurts. Some of us haven't been in touch with these feelings for so long and have to adjust. Some of us find ourselves in a bit of trouble during that adjustment period (LOL) but that may not be a bad thing. You just hold on tight and be proud for giving yourself such a wonderful gift. Quitting smoking really is quite a journey, embrace the process and be proud. You are well on your way.

It gets better and better....keep up the good work.

Never take another puff...no matter what.

Joanne
3 plus years
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joyfulgrl
joyfulgrl

July 28th, 2002, 4:11 am #36

Joel,

What a great article. Anger has been one of the scariest emotions for me to feel when I don't have nicotine. I do exactly what the article states when I was smoking and then wondered why I let my past relationship go on and on (duh). I even had myself thinking that I had to have nicotine or else I won't be able to handle anger in a relationship. How unhealthy. Looking back I think I made poor choices in men and tolerated them by using nicotine. I can't completely blame the nicotine because I made a choice to date that person but it certainly alleviated uncomfortable feelings.

Smoking has definitely kept my mind occupied and helped me to put my real feelings on the side and out of sight just to appease a situation. And your right it all came out anyway, just in a different form.

You have no idea how grateful I am for all of these wonderful articles I have been reading over the past few days........truly, you are an amazing group of people.......thank you

Joy
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Alyson GOLD.ffn
Alyson GOLD.ffn

September 6th, 2002, 2:46 am #37

For Sharon and Alegra!

Embrace the rebirth of feeling!
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Alegra
Alegra

September 6th, 2002, 8:21 am #38

Thank you so much for this Alyson. This is exactly how I have been feeling! It is nice to know that it is something a lot of people go through when they choose to stop smoking!
Alegra
I have chosen not to smoke for 1 Week 4 Days 7 Hours 21 Minutes 23 Seconds. Cigarettes not smoked: 339. Money saved: $54.27.
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Joel
Joel

December 10th, 2002, 9:47 pm #39

In case you ever found yourself saying or thinking, "I can't deal with this...I have to go smoke!" This one explains a big part of why that particular feeling occurred.
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Lena (SILVER)
Lena (SILVER)

February 10th, 2003, 1:32 am #40

Thank you Joel for this. Lena 2 months 5 days
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L z l
L z l

February 10th, 2003, 2:05 am #41

I can SO relate to this. But at least NOW I can understand why after reading this awesome article, whereas I thought I was going nuts before.

I feel like one of those motorcycles. You know, the ones that go from 0-60 in 15 seconds (or whatever it is)....only substitute going from complete calm to pure rage in 15 seconds LOL. And over the simplest things sometimes too. I have a question though...I know this is normal for the reasons explained in the post, but how long does it last ? Will it always be this way, in other words ? I HOPE not !

Lazuli

Quit Proud For 3 Weeks 10 Hours 19 Minutes 2 Seconds!
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nadette bronze
nadette bronze

March 11th, 2003, 2:39 pm #42

this is the second time i have read this article and like lazuli i can totally identify. it is appropriate that is has come up again, stange how that happens.
i smoked my feelings - and poof they were gone, or, buried deep in my lungs somewhere. now that they are here and hanging aroung to be felt i am not quite sure what to do with them, but i hope i will learn. its a bit overwhelming sometimes.
nadette
8 days
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John (Gold)
John (Gold)

January 13th, 2004, 8:55 pm #43

Smoking nicotine never relieved any underlying stressful event
but
only replaced its own absence
Within 10 days to 2 weeks of ending all nicotine use
the mind has adjusted to functioning without nicotine.
Smoking nicotine after 10 days to 2 weeks
  1. Still won't resolve any underlying stressful event
  2. Will no longer replace a needed missing chemical
  3. Will not match your mind's memory expectations
  4. But will commence the onset of full and complete relapse
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wackylaurie
wackylaurie

February 26th, 2004, 6:44 pm #44

Hi Joel,

Thanks again for your great library. No matter what is going on with me i can always find the answer in your library or old threads.

Laurie
One month, three weeks, four days, 5 hours, 9 minutes and 18 seconds. 1686 cigarettes not smoked, saving $231.89. Life saved: 5 days, 20 hours, 30 minutes.
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John (Gold)
John (Gold)

April 12th, 2004, 9:18 pm #45

Healthy Neurochemical Reactions to Life
Nicotine's two-hour half-life inside the human body was the basic clock that not only set the deadline for that next mandatory feeding but also which feedings we'd consider our "best."
Imagine sleeping through four nicotine half-lives (8 hours) and awaking the next morning with our nicotine level somewhere down around our socks. No wonder that morning fix was one of the "best." Although the clock could not be slowed, acid generating events such as stress, anxiety, alcohol and mega doses of vitamin C could accelerate the clock by more rapidly depleting the body's reserves of the alkaloid nicotine. Such events would more rapidly transport us to the brink of onset of early withdrawal. No wonder we made such deep rooted yet false conclusions about nicotine's relationship to stress and alcohol. No wonder these groups of feeding memories are some of our "best!"
Living life on nicotine's clock totally ignored our body's own natural and healthy neurochemical timetables. As you've probably read here at Freedom, nicotine caused the brain to release stores of adrenaline and noradrenaline that prepared our body for the fight or flight survival mode. An amazing cascade of fight or flight neurochemicals would temporarily shut down all non-essential systems and functions, constrict extremity blood vessels to help control any bleeding during battle or escape, accelerate the heartbeat to pump greater volumes of blood, stimulate the lungs to process more oxygen, would heighten the senses, and dump stored fats and sugars into the bloodstream to provide an instant source of energy. Question: Is that what our body really needed when life's moment begged for deep deep relaxation like just before climbing into bed to sleep?
Recovery can be a wonderful adventure in self-discovery as we begin to appreciate that our body's neurochemicals each had purpose and their flow had natural controls, controls that, by coincidence, the chemical nicotine was able to completely bypass. Was it time for a nicotine induced dopamine ahhhhh reward sensation upon learning the tragic news of the death of a close friend or loved one? Was it then time to smoke a chemical that would diminish the flow of serotonin, a mood and critical anxiety busting neurochemical?
All that matter are the next few moments and each is entirely doable. The accomplishment induced dopamine ahhhhh sensation resting just beyond that next challenge is not only yours to enjoy, it's "you," it's beautiful, and it's an honest message that this recovery is a keeper. You're going home! There was always only one rule, no nicotine today - Never Take Another Puff! John
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GOLDisKITTYBOO
GOLDisKITTYBOO

April 17th, 2004, 5:51 am #46

Hi, Joel and Freedom Family. Joel, I'm not sure if you posted this thread on the board for me or not, but I wanted you to know that I re-read again.(I've read it many times before......I think....I've read so much of your library, sometimes it's hard to remember) anyway, until it really hits home like today, well, sometimes it's hard to really see clearly. I wanted to thank you if you did pull it up for me to read again. Things are much calmer here this afternoon and the Board was just wonderful in coming through for me today. For any newbies that might be lurking who read my post today for some re-enforcement, well, the Board and this site was my re-enforcement. I have been quit 45 days today. This journey has been inspirational and enlightening. My quit and I are doing just fine though. Everyone has a day every now and then and my one day happened to have manifested into five. My quit is still intact and I'm proud of that. Even us green club members have to take it back to one second, one minute, one hour every now and then. The tools of this site are priceless. Thanks again!

Never taking another puff........
LISA - Free and Healing for One Month, Fifteen Days, 5 Hours and 19 Minutes, while extending my life expectancy 3 Days and 3 Hours, by avoiding the use of 904 nicotine delivery devices that would have cost me $134.11.
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Joel
Joel

April 17th, 2004, 7:17 am #47

Hello Lisa:

I saw a few people who would benefit from this one today. I've only had time to poke my head in and out for the past few days. Actually, the next few days are going to be worse. As I see posts that strike certain themes I have been popping up applicable posts. Actually it has been great for I've noticed a lot of people popping up posts or directing members to specific strings that I would have had I gotten there first. Our general membership is getting quite good and familiar with all of the articles we have to offer. I am glad when I see people finding specific threads as opposed to just waiting to be pointed toward them. It shows that they are putting in the effort to protect their own quit. The more you work at supporting your own quit the easier it will always stay to happily stick to your commitment to never take another puff!

Joel
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John (Gold)
John (Gold)

April 21st, 2004, 10:01 pm #48

Nicotine renal excretion rate influences
nicotine intake during cigarette smoking.
J Pharmacol Exp Ther. 1985 July;234(1):153-5.

Benowitz NL, Jacob P 3rd.

We examined the hypothesis that rate of elimination of nicotine affects nicotine intake during cigarette smoking. Elimination rate was altered by administering ammonium chloride or sodium bicarbonate throughout the day. Nicotine intake during unrestricted cigarette smoking was measured using metabolic clearance data obtained after i.v. nicotine infusion together with blood and urinary nicotine concentrations measured during 24-hr periods of cigarette smoking. Compared with placebo treatment (urine pH 5.6), urinary acidification (pH 4.5) increased (208%) renal clearance and, to a lesser extent (41%), total clearance and increased (by 7.2 mg) daily urinary excretion of nicotine. Urinary alkalinization (pH 6.7) resulted in a decrease (78%) in renal clearance with a small decrease (3.7 mg) in daily nicotine excretion. Average blood nicotine concentrations were similar in placebo and bicarbonate treatment conditions, but were 15% lower during acid loading. Daily intake of nicotine was 18% greater during acid loading. The compensatory increase in nicotine consumption was only partial, replacing about half the excess urinary nicotine loss. This is the first direct demonstration that rate of elimination can influence self-determined drug consumption in humans.

PMID: 4009497 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]


Effects of urinary pH on the behavioral
responses of squirrel monkeys to nicotine.
Pharmacol Biochem Behav. 1983 Sep;19(3):553-7.

Grunberg NE, Morse DE, Barrett JE.

The present study evaluated the behavioral effects of nicotine under conditions that manipulated urinary pH. The effects of nicotine were examined on the responding of squirrel monkeys under a multiple fixed-interval, fixed-ratio schedule of stimulus-shock termination when nicotine was administered alone or together with the gastric administration of an acidifier (ammonium chloride) or an alkalinizer (sodium bicarbonate). Responding under the FI schedule was increased markedly across a range of doses of nicotine (0.02-0.20 mg/kg). Responding under the FR was increased to a lesser extent by the lower doses of nicotine (0.02-0.05 mg/kg) and was decreased by doses of nicotine that increased responding under the FI (0.10-0.20 mg/kg). Generally, administration of the acidifier attenuated the effects of nicotine while administration of the alkalinizer potentiated those effects. These findings support the argument that changes in cigarette smoking under conditions that alter urinary pH involve nicotine per se. In addition, a new interpretation of the relationship between urinary pH and cigarette smoking is offered.

PMID: 6314394 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

Protons enhance the gating kinetics of the alpha3/beta4 neuronal nicotinic acetylcholine receptor by increasing its apparent affinity to agonists.
Mol Pharmacol. 2002 February;61(2):369-78.

Abdrakhmanova G, Dorfman J, Xiao Y, Morad M.

Department of Pharmacology, Georgetown University School of Medicine, Washington DC 20007, USA.

Neuronal nicotinic acetylcholine receptors (nAChRs) are widely distributed in the nervous system. Although there is a vast literature on the molecular, structural and pharmacological properties of neuronal nAChR, little is known of their pH regulation. Here we report that rapid acidification (pH 6.0) enhances the current through the alpha3/beta4 recombinant nAChRs expressed stably in human embryonic kidney 293 cells and accelerates its activation kinetics without altering selectivity. Acidification also strongly accelerates the decay kinetics ("desensitization") of cytisine- and nicotine-evoked currents (pK(a) approximately 6.1), but the effect is somewhat smaller with acetylcholine and carbachol (undetermined pK(a) values), suggesting that protonation of the agonist contributes to the relaxation of the current. Transient increases of [H(+)](o) from pH 7.4 to 6.0, during the time course of decay of the current, enhances the current and accelerates its decay kinetics in a manner similar to reactivation of current by higher concentrations of agonists. We suggest that protons interact with multiple extracellular sites on alpha3/beta4 nAChRs, decreasing the effective EC(50) values of the agonist and accelerating gating kinetics, in part by promoting agonist-induced block. We speculate that corelease of protons with ACh from the secretory vesicles may induce rapid and reversible conformational changes in the slowly "desensitizing" alpha3/beta4 nAChRs, leading to accelerated signaling.

PMID: 11809862 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
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Stormy2687
Stormy2687

May 26th, 2004, 6:54 pm #49

Thanks Joel, that was what I needed to read.
2 wks 24 min 1 Sec of no smoking bliss
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divegal808
divegal808

May 27th, 2004, 12:20 am #50

Thanks, Joel, i needed to re-read this one, too.

my dreams last night were full of situations that made me angry! and indeed, when i "embrace my crave" and allow myself to feel what's at the bottom of that anxious feeling, it is generally anger. day by day i'm learning how to work with it. and what i know above all is that nicotine never did and never will help -- it only creates or continues problems and ill health! it's helpful to better understand why. thanks again!

amber - Free and Healing for Eighteen Days, 10 Hours and 31 Minutes, while extending my life expectancy 15 Hours, by avoiding the use of 184 nicotine delivery devices that would have cost me $50.74.
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richard This is It GOLD
richard This is It GOLD

July 14th, 2004, 3:06 am #51

Here you go...... welcome to Freedom... and congratulations on your first baby steps
Be prepared - anger and rage are coming!
Emotional loss experienced when quitting
Screams, laughter, fears and tears
Caring for your quit

richard (2 years 4 months, no kids, no rage )
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keaner
keaner

July 14th, 2004, 3:10 am #52

I'm guessing you are stressing because of your quit and your kids are doing the tango on your last nerve??

Here is what I do:

1. If I can leave them with someone like a babysitter or wife, I get out and walk. That simple, just walk...smell the air, look at the sites.

2. If I have to bring them along, I go down to the park and watch them play while I flake out on a bench.

Try it...it works.
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NOBR BillW Gold NOBR
NOBR BillW Gold NOBR

July 14th, 2004, 3:20 am #53

Hi Fay! Welcome to Freedom!

Richard already hit the homework part.... Study what you are going through and why! Some more energetic things to do that I know help:

(1) lock yourself in the bedroom for a few minutes and punch the living daylights out of a pillow. Scream and yell a little.....

(2) force yourself to cry. Crying releases dopamine in the brain, which incidentally is the way nicotine addicts us.....

(3) take the little darlings to see Shreck II... or some appropriate movie. And have a laugh yourself. You know...you can actually get through a movie now?

(4) keep telling yourself that it gets better and you will get through this. You may have to take it on faith for a while... that's what the oldbies told me... and that was almost 2 1/2 years ago. Believe for a little while... and then you will know!

YQB BillW Two years, five months, five days. 26595 cigarettes not smoked, saving $5,252.35. Life saved: 13 weeks, 1 day, 8 hours, 15 minutes.
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wittler h
wittler h

October 13th, 2004, 1:33 am #54

Oh yea hiding behind my smoke cloud, instead of dealing with things, has lead to having to learn some different life skills.
Thanks for the help!
DeWitt
I have been quit for a little over 28 days. I have saved $72.06 by not smoking 576 cigarettes (that's allot a smoke!). I have saved 2 Days of my life. I WILL N.T.A.P. THERE CAN NEVER BE ONLY ONE!
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John (Gold)
John (Gold)

January 2nd, 2005, 11:30 pm #55

New reactions, old expectations
and a junkie mind at work
Not only did stressful acid producing events quickly neutralize and deplete the body's reserves of the alkaloid nicotine, forcing us to service our addiction before addressing the underlying stressful event (if it were addressed at all), we also have to take care not to intentionally use anxiety driven recovery anger as a tool to try and replace the central nervous system stimulation (CNS) that came with each new puff.
Via acetylcholine receptor sites, nicotine released adrenaline and a host of other fight or flight neurochemicals designed to prepare the body to attack or run from the sabertooth tiger. Although not addictive (as is with stealing from the dopamine reward pathways) we were each conditioned to expect instant CNS stimulation as part of each new nicotine feeding. So how can a recovering nicotine addict stop using nicotine and yet still experience regular adrenaline releases? Can it be done by picking fights with those around us? Can it be done by inventing our very own sabertooth tiger?
On yet another level the conscious mind can intentionallye employ and use anxiety driven recovery anger to the point that it knows it can cause family or friends to want us to relapse.
Sadly, my junkie mind used this tactic on more than one occasion to not only force my loved ones to again want me to smoke nicotine but to actually get them to purchase my relapse smokes for me. It was almost too perfect. It allowed my junkie mind to employ the most destructive form of blame transference imaginable. "Maybe someday my loved ones would be strong enough to allow me to go the distance and succeed at quitting," I told myself.
Such destructive garbage could only flow from the mind a true drug addict. But this time I have a much fuller understanding of my now arrested dependency. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me! Millions of words here at Freedom but only one rule ... no nicotine just one day at a time, Never Take Another Puff!
John (Gold x5)
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