If cigarettes were as deadly as you say they are...

Joel
Joined: 18 Dec 2008, 23:57

04 Dec 2002, 05:49 #11

Worldwide, 4.9 million people
are dying every year
from cigarette smoking.
World Health Organization Estimates
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Joel
Joined: 18 Dec 2008, 23:57

28 Feb 2003, 20:34 #12

I just saw a post where one member was saying how angry she got when she saw people smoking now and how stupid it all was. I think she meant how angry she was at herself for having smoked for so long, but this feeling can often be interpreted as being angry at smokers and thinking that they are stupid. People don't smoke because they are stupid, but they smoke because they are drug addicts.

Keep in mind, whey you are dealing with people who have smoked for over 40 years, most of them got addicted before there was ever any health warnings on tobacco. They didn't know it was dangerous when they started. People smoking longer than 10 years didn't know that they were taking up an addictive product. Yes they knew it was dangerous--but they never intended on smoking that much or smoking that long when they first took it up.

Even people taking it up today are not sufficiently warned of how addictive and how dangerous this product is. Of course they know its dangerous and they now hear it is addictive, but very few people realize just how dangerous and how addictive.

If people are asked to rank cigarette smoking dangers compared to the dangers posed by pollution, or illegal drugs, or alcohol induced illnesses, or violence in our society, or the risks of being killed by a drunk driver, or the risk of infectious diseases like pneumonia or AIDS, cigarettes may end up in the middle or maybe even at the bottom of the list. In America, more people die from smoking than people killed in ALL accidents, murders, all suicides, all infectious diseases, all diabetes, all cirrhosis and all olf the AIDS deaths all combined.

Most people don't grasp the true magnitude of the dangers. Also, must people don't realize the true grip of the addiction that nicotine exerts. Worse of all, very few people are given any real understanding of how to take control of the addiction once it has been established. The combination of all of this lack of understanding leaves people ripe from taking up smoking and totally unprepared for getting off of it when they want to quit.

Try to see smokers for who they really are. They are drug addicts who very often do not have the understanding and tools in place to break free of their addiction. You do have the understanding and hopefully at some point they may turn to you for help. When they do share with them what we have shared with you. Help them understand that you were once where they were--you didn't understand why you smoked, why you should stop, how to stop and how to stay off. But once you learned all of this you were able to quit and have proven by example that you have been able to stay off. The example you will have proven is that you have stuck with your commitment to never take another puff!

Joel
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Joanne Gold
Joined: 18 Dec 2008, 23:58

19 Jun 2003, 13:57 #13

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John (Gold)
Joined: 18 Dec 2008, 23:57

16 Aug 2003, 10:49 #14

U.S. Members Watch CBS Sunday Morning News Aug. 17th

COVER STORY: SMOKEVILLE

When residents of Helena, Mont. voted to ban smoking in bars, restaurants and casinos, an amazing thing seemed to happen. Over the course of six months, according to a recent study, local heart attack rates were cut in half. But not everyone in town was convinced of the study's findings or happy about the ban. Helena's economy began to struggle, with businesses dependent on smokers fighting to make ends meet. Helena's population remains divided, and the fate of the ban is up in the air. Russ Mitchell reports on the great smoking debate in this CBS News Sunday Morning cover story.
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Joel
Joined: 18 Dec 2008, 23:57

17 Nov 2003, 00:32 #15

Worldwide, 4.9 million people
are dying every year
from cigarette smoking.
World Health Organization Estimates
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John (Gold)
Joined: 18 Dec 2008, 23:57

25 Feb 2004, 01:24 #16

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What product when used as directed kills 50% of loyal lifetime customers?
It's even worse.
For each of the estimated 4.9 million being claimed by smoking, each 14 to 15 years early, there are 20 others already impaired by smoking induced disease.
Once established nicotine dependency is as permanent as alcoholism.
The key to remaining on this side of the bars and keeping our dependency under arrest on the other is that one puff of nicotine.
No nicotine today, Never Take Another Puff ...
Chew, Gum, Dip, or Lozenge!
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Joel
Joined: 18 Dec 2008, 23:57

31 Mar 2004, 20:36 #17

Worldwide, 4.9 million people
are dying every year
from cigarette smoking.
World Health Organization Estimates
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Joel
Joined: 18 Dec 2008, 23:57

12 Jul 2004, 00:28 #18

From: John (Gold) Sent: 5/30/2004 2:30 PM
May 28, 2004 U.S. Lengthens the List of
Diseases Linked to Smoking
By ELIZABETH OLSON[/size]
New York Times

WASHINGTON, May 27 - Four decades after the surgeon general's first report on smoking and health linked cigarette use to lung cancer, larynx cancer and bronchitis, the latest annual report has further expanded the list of smoking-related diseases.

The new report, issued Thursday by Surgeon General Richard H. Carmona, concludes that in addition to the many other diseases listed in the intervening years, smoking can cause cancers of the cervix, kidney, pancreas and stomach, as well as abdominal aortic aneurysms, acute myeloid leukemia, cataracts, pneumonia and gum disease.

The report, Dr. Carmona said at a news briefing, "documents that smoking causes disease in nearly every organ in the body at every stage of life."

Among the other disorders listed since the first report, in 1964, are cancers of the esophagus, throat and bladder; chronic lung disease; and chronic heart and cardiovascular diseases.

Government figures show that 440,000 Americans a year are now dying of smoking-related illnesses, and Dr. Carmona said more than 12 million had died since the first report. Smokers typically die 13 to 14 years earlier than nonsmokers, he said.

Treating those diseases costs about $75 billion a year, according to government figures, and an even greater amount is sacrificed in lost productivity.

For the first time, however, the number of Americans who have quit smoking edges out the number who still smoke, the surgeon general said. An estimated 46 million Americans "have managed to beat the habit and quit,'' he said, "while 45.8 million continue to smoke." Of the entire adult population, people 18 or older, smokers now account for only 22 percent.

Still, Dr. Carmona conceded that at the current rate of decline, the federal government would not meet its goal of cutting the number of smokers to 12 percent of adults by 2010.

The report warned that while the number of high school seniors who smoke had been reduced to 24.4 percent last year from 36.5 percent in 1997, trends indicated that the rate of decline in smoking among youths, like that among adults, was slowing.

The surgeon general said that "every day, nearly 5,000 people under 18 years of age try their first cigarette."

Just as disturbing as those trends, the report said, is that the rate of smoking "among some racial and ethnic minority populations and among less-educated Americans remains high.''

Dr. Carmona said he hoped that the message that "toxins from cigarette smoke go everywhere the blood flows" would help "motivate people to quit smoking and convince young people not to start in the first place."

Quitting can have immediate as well as long-term benefits, the report found. Quitting at age 65 or older, it said, can reduce by nearly 50 percent the risk of dying of a smoking-related disease. On the other hand, former smokers have the same stroke risk as nonsmokers 5 to 15 years after quitting.

Smoking cigarettes with lower yields of tar and nicotine, the report said, do not substantially reduce the risk of lung cancer.

"There is no safe cigarette," Dr. Carmona said, "whether it is called 'light,' 'ultralight' or any other name."

The 941-page report was prepared by a team of 20 scientists at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, and drew on research reported in 1,600 articles, which are available at www.cdc.gov/tobacco.

It found that while some research had pointed to an association between smoking and diseases including colon, liver and prostate cancer, as well as erectile dysfunction, the current evidence was not sufficient to establish a link.
Copyright N.Y. Times 2004 - All Rights Reserves
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Joel
Joined: 18 Dec 2008, 23:57

21 Jul 2004, 20:55 #19

I saw a post was up today that was asking the question of why smoking was still legal. A seasoned member pointed out that this was an issue that was beyond the scope of our board. Highlighted below is the section from our Mission Statement of why we don't want to divert the board taking on this issue:
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Freedom's Mission Statement
We are a cold turkey education and support forum that believes that the key to permanent abstinence is understanding. Why are we a cold turkey site? Because we know that educated cold turkey quitting works.

If you are serious about quitting and think that we are right for you, join us! You will find like-minded people who are all off of nicotine and for the most part happy about it. If we are not right for you please don't join. It would be like joining a religious group in order to convert all of their existing followers to your belief or joining a political party for the sole purpose of having all its members vote for the opposing party candidate. When a person joins a group under these terms they are not joining a group, they are trying to subvert the group. This is an act of hostility not an act of support or camaraderie.

We are hostile to nobody. Not even to the tobacco industry or pharmaceutical companies who have different agendas than ours. They exist because they want you to use their products. We exist because you want to stop using their products. We are not here to try to make anyone stop using their products either. We are here to help people quit using nicotine because they have already decided to do so.

We are here to help people who have come to a point in their life that they want to quit and want help doing it--people who have already picked their plan of action. They have chosen to quit cold, and want to know what to expect and stay focused on that objective. That is what we are going to be doing now, keeping them focused.

We will help these people understand and remember why they smoked, why they decided they wanted to stop, how they stopped, how important it was for their health that they stopped, and, most important of all, how to stay off. Many smokers have quit at one time or another in their life, some for many years and even decades, but have for one reason and one reason only lost that quit. They let go of their understanding of nicotine addiction. Or, they never understood it to begin with.

We will explain addiction and how we think you can treat it and why we think it works. It is important to state we think it works for personal reasons. We think it works because it has worked for everyone here. Everyone! Because we live by one simple principal here at Freedom. We stay smoke free by staying nicotine free. No one can relapse if they don't take nicotine first. It is impossible to be a smoker again without taking nicotine again.

So there you have it, what we are in a nutshell. We are a group of people who share one thing in common. We will never put nicotine into our bodies. Our pasts may be different but our future intent is the same. To stay in our club we make a promise to ourselves, from this day forth that to be a member in good standing with Freedom, and more important to be a member in good standing with our own mind and bodies we are all committed to never take another puff!
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richard This is It GOLD
Joined: 18 Dec 2008, 23:59

05 Aug 2004, 04:27 #20

Ninety years ago today, Britain entered "The War to End all Wars"
Cigarettes quickly came to be seen as a vital part of the war effort, with the commander of the American Expeditionary Forces, General John J. ("Black Jack") Pershing quoted as saying, "You ask me what we need to win this war. I answer tobacco as much as bullets."
A lot of "enlightenment" has happened in the following 90 years..... and a lot of smokers have died.... far more than died in "The War to End all Wars"


When the fighting was finally over, no-one could tell exactly how many had been killed but historians estimate that up to 10 million men lost their lives on the battlefield - and another 20 million were wounded during the four years of the war.


For each of the estimated 4.9 million being claimed each year by smoking, each 14 to 15 years early, there are 20 others already impaired by smoking induced disease.


Lest we forget -


Never Take Another Puff
richard (2 years 5 months less a few days.....)
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