I Liked My Other Support Group More

I Liked My Other Support Group More

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10 Oct 2000, 20:19 #1

This letter was originally written illustrating the difference between the clinics I ran and other programs that existed at the time. The relevance of the concepts of this letter also applies to Freedom when compared to many other websites out there for smoking cessation. Our approach does not have universal appeal. People who really don't want to quit will find our philosophy a bit oppresive. People who do find their way here and really listen to the underlying message of treating an addiction as an addiction will find they will for the first time have the real tools to make long term smoking cessation a reality.

"I Liked My Other Smoking Clinic More!"

Almost 20 years ago when I was conducting one of my first Stop Smoking Clinics, one of the successful participants, a lady named Barbara, told me that she had once attended another clinic and liked it more than ours. I asked her how long she had quit for in that program and she said, "Oh, I didn't quit at all." I then asked her how many of the other people quit. She replied, "I don't know if anybody quit." I then asked, if nobody quit, why did she like the program more? She answered, "When I completed the program, I didn't feel bad about smoking!"

The task of any smoking clinic should be to help the participant break free from the powerful grip of the nicotine addiction. To do this, each participant needs to have a thorough understanding of both why he or she smokes and the consequences associated with maintaining use of cigarettes. Cigarettes are addictive, expensive, socially unacceptable, and deadly. How in the world can any individual or clinic realize these effects and minimize the significance to the point where a smoker doesn't feel bad smoking?

The natural impulse of most smokers is to deny the health and social implications of smoking. When he picks up a newspaper and sees a headline with "Surgeon General", he will read no further. When he hears a broadcast on radio or television about the dangers, he either totally disregards the message or maintains the false belief that the problem doesn't apply to him. But eventually, even his own body complains. He may experience physical symptoms such as coughing, wheezing, pains in chest, numbness in extremities, headaches, stomach aches, hoarseness, and a variety of other complaints. He will generally pass the blame to the weather, his diet, to his stress, to a cold or flu, to allergies or any other excuse he can muster up to protect his cigarettes.

Our clinic was designed to permanently destroy all rationalizations of smoking by the smoker. He may make up lots of excuses for smoking, but he knows that they all are lies. Our clinic will accomplish one of two goals. Either the smoker will quit smoking, or the clinic will **** up his smoking for the rest of his life. No longer will he be able to sit back at the end of a day and think to himself in ignorant bliss how much he enjoyed his cigarettes. To the contrary, if any thought of smoking is allowed to creep into consciousness, it will be anger over how stupid it was to inhale 20, 40, 60 or even more cigarettes that day, and how sad it is that he is probably going to do the same again tomorrow.

Why do we want to make the smoker miserable about smoking? Because maybe if he gets mad enough about smoking he will stop it. Sooner or later logic may motivate him to stop. Maybe he will do it on his own, or maybe he will come back to us for help. How he does it is not important; what is important is that he does quit. For, while the concepts we instill in him may make him miserable, not understanding them can cause more significant long term suffering.

If our clinic did what Barbara's first clinic accomplished--alleviating negative feelings toward smoking--it could result in the ammunition necessary to maintain smoking. Since cigarettes are responsible for over 400,000 premature deaths per year and the crippling of literally millions of others, alleviating the anxiety of smoking is not in the best interest of the smoker. Consider the physical, psychological, social, economical and any other personal consequences of smoking. Consider them all and NEVER TAKE ANOTHER PUFF!


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11 Feb 2001, 11:01 #2

Happycamper, sort of what happened to me. I quit 1/17 and was really having a hard time. One Saturday while my husband was watching football , rainy weather, feeling blue, I decided to look around on the web and see if I could find something related to smoking cessation, BINGO, my guardian angel led me right to this website. If you have been reading Joel's Library one article says, "this program will do one of two things, this program will either help you stop smoking, or, it will **** up your smoking for the rest of your life". I am 58 , smoked 1-2 packs a day for 40+ years. I was scared to death to smoke, scared to death to attempt to quit. So far so good, I'am taking it one day at a time and I have made a Pledge to NEVER TAKE ANOTHER PUFF. SMOKING IS NOT AN OPTION. Fantastic support group here, the very best. This is teamwork at its finest. Read, Read, Read.
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18 Mar 2001, 21:22 #3

I saw where a one person raised a concern about how they were reacting to certain elements of our site and another person who just drops in sporadically at best suggested an alternative site for assistance. One of her explanations of the benefit of the other site, they offered the NRT option. I just felt I should point out that most of the people here at Freedom do not live in a vacuum. They know of other sites and those sites policies. The reason they are here is because they have basically come to the conclusion that the methods used elsewhere are not right for them.

But again, we are not here to debate our approach compared to other sites. People are here because they want to be in an exclusively cold turkey site and, more importantly, a site that doesn't accept relapse as a legitimate occurrence. That is basically an implied contract of membership with us. If a person does want to be in an exclusively cold turkey site or one that rejects the legitimacy of relapsing, he or she is in the wrong place. We are truly sorry if somehow we misled him or her here. If he or she would like to post to us or email us and let us know that he or she feels that the site is wrong for them, we will be more than happy to accommodate him or her and remove them from our membership. This will give the person much more quality time to spend at his of her other site or sites of choice.

We want people here because they want to be here. We want people here to reinforce their decision that quitting smoking was a good choice and that staying off is important to them. Real important to them in fact, one of the most important things they are doing and ever will be doing for their health and their life. We want people here because they want to remember for themselves and help others to understand that to stay smoke free they must never take another puff!

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04 Apr 2001, 21:43 #4

We don't want to be the largest group on the Internet; we want to be the one that gives our members the best chance of success. Not everyone belongs here. But how do you determine if this is the best place for you or not? If your goal is to stay smoke free no matter what, this is the place. The best indicator that you belong is that since you joined in you have not taken a cigarette.

For those who have smoked and just figure they will start anew, be aware you broke an implied code that you basically agreed to at time of sign up. You are here on probationary terms now. We don't mess around with people quitting and starting over again over again. As far as we are concerned a post to the board that I have relapsed and now quitting again is not a cry for help, but a cry for attention. A request for help can take on many forms, but the one thing that must be followed to get that help here is that a puff is not taken, at least not until after you have put up a post and given people a chance to reply. If you want to relapse after that, it will always be your prerogative. But if you give us ample opportunity to respond this will likely not occur.

The way to know that you should stay here at Freedom is that you are committed to the concept that as long as you wish to remain an ex-smoker your plan is to never take another puff!

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05 Apr 2001, 01:14 #5

am dismayed by the number of people taking quitting so lightly lately and relapse even more lightly. this are your lives we are talking about...smoking a cigarette and relapsing is not at all like eating a piece of cake while on a diet. the latter is a temporary setback....the former is like sticking a gun to your head and playing russian roulette.

Linda
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05 Apr 2001, 01:56 #6

Even when you can't see your arteries being clogged, smoking is causing them even more abuse than you sense occurring within your lungs. But unlike your lungs in which you can hear the decay and feel them slowly die, you can't hear or see the clogging going on within your arteries until the blockage is almost complete. Carbon monoxide is silently destroying the teflon like layer of cells that line the inside of every blood vessel in your body. Smoking destroys your good cholesterol (HDL) while helping gum up and permanently clog all your blood's plumbing.

Far more smokers are killed each year by those things that they can't sense happening inside their body (heart disease) than from those they can (lung decay and eventually cancer). We don't know that your very next cigarette will be the one that triggers your death, but we promise to always treat it like it will. The estimated 1,500,000 MIDDLE AGED smokers who'll die this year doesn't need to include you! If you want to get angry at Freedom for taking nicotine addiction and smoking far too seriously then do so but ..... if you like yourself at all ..... even a little bit .... or you like anything else about life ....... NEVER TAKE ANOTHER PUFF !
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26 Jan 2002, 22:07 #7

I have to laugh at myself here. I just put up a post saying that I don't tell people not to smoke. ( "Please don't smoke" ) Then I saw a person who joined here at Freedom who participates at other boards and goes to other professional sites and so I went looking for this one to point out that we really are different than other sites and wanted them to know that why they are welcome to read and go elsewhere, they should be cautious of the concepts being shared at other sites.

But then I got to the last line of this original post and it said to never take another puff without a comment before it of "if you don't want to relapse." The preceding sentence in the paragraph was to consider all the implications. I just seemed to have left out the connector between the two sentences.

Anyway, if anyone has an inordinate amount of time on their hands they can go through the whole quit library to see how many times I made this same mistake. It may not be an effort in futility either, you may get pretty reinforced by reminding yourself by the content of all the letters that your real goal is still to never take another puff!

Joel
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29 Jul 2002, 20:30 #8

All the unconditional support, information and advice from many other groups can help insure that you will not feel "overly guilty" for relapsing. Follow our one basic single-minded guideline and you can help insure that you will never relapse and thus have nothing to feel guilty about. That one guideline is that to stay smoke free requires always staying committed to never take another puff!

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16 Aug 2002, 09:17 #9

Freedom is a drug rehab support group for nicotine addicts. Our "golden rule" is simple, singular and effective: No nicotine.... ever.

Our members are addicts in various stages of recovery, who take the singular mission of this group deadly seriously. We're not always the "nicest" group of folks, because sometimes "nice" isn't what a recovering addict needs most. We are possibly the most honest, and almost certainly the most educated about this addiction. And, I believe you'd be hard-pressed to find a more caring group.

We're probably the most serious too, because this is a grave addiction. The decision about whether or not to take that next puff, is a decision that often has life and death consequences, and we treat it as such.

I believe Freedom's tools and approach give people who are serious about quitting smoking (and other forms of nicotine use) the best possible chance to succeed.

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01 Oct 2002, 07:00 #10

We are designed to accomplish one of two goals for our members. We are either going to share with you the understanding you need to stay smoke free for the rest of your life or we ar going to give you enough background understanding about the dangers of smoking and the full implications of being a nicotine addict to **** up your smoking for the rest of your life. Which path you choose is totally up to you. Just know that there is little chance of going back to smoking and experience any form of ignorant bliss. If you choose to stay smoke free just always remember to never take another puff!

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01 Oct 2002, 07:44 #11

"We are either going to share with you the understanding you need to stay smoke free for the rest of your life or we ar going to give you enough background understanding about the dangers of smoking and the full implications of being a nicotine addict to **** up your smoking for the rest of your life" That is sooo good.. So basically kindly aggressive.
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03 Feb 2003, 18:54 #12

Two comments lifted from above:

All the unconditional support, information and advice from many other groups can help insure that you will not feel "overly guilty" for relapsing. Follow our one basic single-minded guideline and you can help insure that you will never relapse and thus have nothing to feel guilty about. That one guideline is that to stay smoke free requires always staying committed to never take another puff!

Joel

We are designed to accomplish one of two goals for our members. We are either going to share with you the understanding you need to stay smoke free for the rest of your life or we ar going to give you enough background understanding about the dangers of smoking and the full implications of being a nicotine addict to **** up your smoking for the rest of your life. Which path you choose is totally up to you. Just know that there is little chance of going back to smoking and experience any form of ignorant bliss. If you choose to stay smoke free just always remember to never take another puff!
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17 Feb 2003, 03:15 #13

Today we lost two people who were new members. The first one was because we pulled the person's membership because he or she wrote that he or she got so drunk on Friday night that he or she was not sure whether he or she had smoked. Since the person could not be totally sure then we decided that we couldn't be totally sure either--and since are most important rule is that our members are not smoking we pulled the post. By the way, getting so drunk that you do not remember whether or not you smoked does not qualify as a legitimate excuse for smoking, or anything else for that matter.

The other person had used a graphic that was a tad racy, as well as being a little above the maximum size requirement of our graphics. There are times that we allow the use of oversized graphics, if they are really serving a purpose. But this one was just a fancy piece of artwork, that again, was a little too revealing and had absolutely nothing to do with quitting smoking. Anyway, in this person's case we deleted the graphic but left the post intact otherwise. The person was apparently mad at the censorship of the graphic though and pulled his or her own membership.

Accordingly I just deleted the string, figuring there was no use of having people respond to a post that the person had no ability to respond to. We really do not delete many posts here, and when we do we really do try to explain why we do it. We don't want to give people here the idea that we are purposely trying to hide anything. But we want people here to recognize that we work hard at keeping this site age appropriate for any smoker, whether they are children or adults, and focused on smoking cessation.

There are plenty of sites on the Internet to accommodate all sorts of levels of socialization and fun activities that may or may not involve smoking cessation. But we are purposely different than any of these sites. We are not right for all people but we are right for people who are looking for a serious forum to focus their desire and to stay one hundred percent committed one hundred percent of the time to never take another puff!

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21 Apr 2003, 21:45 #14

Two comments lifted from above:

All the unconditional support, information and advice from many other groups can help insure that you will not feel "overly guilty" for relapsing. Follow our one basic single-minded guideline and you can help insure that you will never relapse and thus have nothing to feel guilty about. That one guideline is that to stay smoke free requires always staying committed to never take another puff!

Joel

We are designed to accomplish one of two goals for our members. We are either going to share with you the understanding you need to stay smoke free for the rest of your life or we ar going to give you enough background understanding about the dangers of smoking and the full implications of being a nicotine addict to **** up your smoking for the rest of your life. Which path you choose is totally up to you. Just know that there is little chance of going back to smoking and experience any form of ignorant bliss. If you choose to stay smoke free just always remember to never take another puff!
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09 Jun 2003, 20:14 #15

I am attaching a link here to a quick post put up by Pelenope today: Free 4 One Month

In it Pennie talks about her experience with a real world support group she was in. John responded in that thread about a study that was being done in Malta evaluating the effectiveness of their smoking cessation programs. Here is the link John put up to that study: http://home.um.edu.mt/med-surg/mmj/15_01_7.pdf

There are many that would be shocked by the conclusions drawn from the study. For what the study showed was that the six month cessation rate for the groups being examined was just about 10%. Of those who quit, eight of the ten went cold turkey. I don't know what the usage status was of the two using NRT, meaning, were they still using NRT at the six month mark or not? Giving them the benefit of the doubt that they had gotten off the NRT, it would still mean that 80% of the success stories were cold turkey quitters.

So what was the conclusions of the study investigators on how to improve their programs?

Well they thought that one of the problems with the approach being used was that participants were given a choice of going cold turkey or of using pharmacotherapies such as NRT. They concluded that the way to improve the program was to make NRT the cornerstone of future programs.

The original subject of this letter, Barbara was in a clinic I ran back in 1977. Again, she was in a group of people most of whom had successfully quit smoking. She did not. She was in another group at one time where she also had not quit smoking--but then again, neither did any of the people in her group. So where would she turn if she ever somehow decided that maybe she should quit again? I suspect she would have gone back to her other program.

Its amazing what kind of conclusions people can draw from different situations. Everyone here should know that there are other schools of thoughts and options out there for how to attempt to quit smoking. But always try to use the simplest level of logic when analyzing the problem at hand here. The problem is everyone here is addicted to a drug--nicotine. The way most people here got addicted to nicotine is by inhaling burning tobacco, usually via cigarettes. Inhaling burning tobacco is dangerous and basically downright deadly. The only way to eradicate the risks of inhaling burning tobacco is to not inhale burning tobacco. Once a person becomes nicotine free the physical need to inhale burning tobacco or to take in nicotine via any route of administration to stave off nicotine withdrawal will be permanently over. Your body will never need nicotine again as long as you never take nicotine from any NRT source and as long as you always remember when it comes to burning tobacco products that to stay smoke free you must never take another puff.

Joel
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22 Oct 2003, 02:08 #16

I recently asked my healthcare provider if they offered a program to quit smoking. I was referred and got a packet of information within the week. What I found most surprising was that the program required all participants to use some kind of nicotine cesssation pharmaceutical such as medication or nicotine patches. This was not optional, it was a requirement. Additionally, the program cost several hundred dollars which included your choice of drug. When I inquired why the cost was so high, I was told that if you figured in the cost of the drugs the program, itself, was very inexpensive. (They, obviously, couldn't force you to take medication but if you chose not to "medicate", the price for the course was the same.)

This program is the one most widely used in my area. The class meets for three weeks and then participants are on their own (with their drugs and patches). This group claims a 40% drop-out rate (folks who start but don't attend all the sessions). Of those who do attend all the sessions, a 6 month follow-up, reveals that only 10% are still not smoking. All I can think is that this group (and many like it) are just what they say they are. They are there to help you stop the act of smoking. When you are done with such a program, you have not in any way dealt with your addiction to nicotine. How unfurtunate.

PS I recently met a woman who had completed a program like the one I referred to above and she had been using the nicotine patch for over a year and was trying to find a way to stop "using". I'm so glad this site is here for us. Thank you!
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22 Oct 2003, 02:22 #17

Hello NicotineFree:

I suspect you read this already but I want to make sure that you read the 42nd post in this string. You would be amazed at just how many programs are making the use of NRT products the cornerstone of their treatment. Other posts that you will find of interest are:

Who Should You Believe?
Prolonging Withdrawal Symptoms
Pharmacological Crutches
93% of OTC NRT Users Relapsing Within 6 Months
I've tried everything to quit and nothing works
"Real-World" Nicotine Patch & Gum Study

What it really comes down to is the way to get off nicotine is to get off nicotine. The way to stay off nicotine is equally simple, it is knowing not to administer nicotine again via any NRT or tobacco source and the way to stay smoke free is simply knowing to never take another puff!

Joel
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18 Jan 2004, 07:16 #18

I am lifting the comment below from a post in this string:
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From: Joel. Sent: 2/16/2003 1:15 PM
Today we lost two people who were new members. The first one was because we pulled the person's membership because he or she wrote that he or she got so drunk on Friday night that he or she was not sure whether he or she had smoked. Since the person could not be totally sure then we decided that we couldn't be totally sure either--and since are most important rule is that our members are not smoking we pulled the post. By the way, getting so drunk that you do not remember whether or not you smoked does not qualify as a legitimate excuse for smoking, or anything else for that matter.
Over the past couple of weeks we had a few people come to the board and talk about how they almost lost quits because they had been overdrinking. One of them from his or her own admission was basically still drunk while posting. Just for the record, we don't take kindly to anyone posting on the board while drunk and if a person says anything on the board the least bit inappropriate while drinking we will permanently pull the members posting privileges. As it says above, overdrinking is not an excuse for smoking. It is also not an excuse for saying anything inappropriate on the board.

For a thorough discussion on how to handle drinking as an ex-smoker, refer to the string Alcohol and quitting. We want people to understand that everything they did as smokers they can do as ex-smokers. This includes drinking, if drinking was something that they could do as smokers. If a person had a drinking problem as a smoker he or she also has the same issue as an ex-smoker too.

One more thing here, we don't want drinking or any other drug use treated flippantly on this board. We are a site dealing with a drug addiction--nicotine. At the same time we are a site that is not looking to glorify or minimize any other drug addiction or potentially dangerous or controversial behavior either. Our Courtesy and Rules post clearly spells out the following:
PERSONAL ISSUES
- If any member ever feels that their quit is threatened by a factual situation then feel free to share the basic facts in your request for help. Unnecessary posting of detailed personal issues that involve controversial lifestyle choices or that express personal opinions on such issues as religion, gambling, drinking, drug use, premarital or extramarital affairs, sexual orientation, sex, gun control, child rearing problems, caring for the elderly, politics, and a host of other real life issues, do nothing to promote Freedom's mission and are not appropriate. Such real life issues exist for all of Freedom's members and no one should ever feel that their inability to air such issues will in any way impede his or her ability to stay nicotine free.
Also, with so many new members joining up over the past few weeks there is another concept in our Courtesy and Rules thread that needs to be mentioned here:
GENERAL SOCIALIZATION - Freedom's message boards are reserved for giving and receiving nicotine cessation support and not for general socialization. There are thousands of fun MSN and AOL sites and each has a link that allows you to send invitations to your friends, requesting that they join you! Help us keep Freedom a serious and supportive classroom that helps save and extend human life!
Our goal is not to be the most fun or popular site around but rather to be the most focused site on smoking cessation issues. We will do this by making sure the board is always centered on the issue that the only way to keep a quit intact is to stay totally dedicated to the commitment each and every one of our members made when they joined up to never take another puff!
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26 Jan 2004, 01:56 #19

For Carole:

Two comments lifted from above:

All the unconditional support, information and advice from many other groups can help insure that you will not feel "overly guilty" for relapsing. Follow our one basic single-minded guideline and you can help insure that you will never relapse and thus have nothing to feel guilty about. That one guideline is that to stay smoke free requires always staying committed to never take another puff!

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We are designed to accomplish one of two goals for our members. We are either going to share with you the understanding you need to stay smoke free for the rest of your life or we ar going to give you enough background understanding about the dangers of smoking and the full implications of being a nicotine addict to **** up your smoking for the rest of your life. Which path you choose is totally up to you. Just know that there is little chance of going back to smoking and experience any form of ignorant bliss. If you choose to stay smoke free just always remember to never take another puff!

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26 Jan 2004, 02:28 #20

Thanks, Joel!

-Carole-
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04 Feb 2004, 20:50 #21

I just deleted a string that basically did not fit in to the style that we operate with here at Freedom. While the string was asking about a symptom that may have been caused from quitting smoking, the manner in which the topic was being treated was in less than a serious and adult manner. We don't go for cheap laughs here at Freedom.

Not surprisingly, the string had a few occurrences of the acronym "LOL" (laugh out loud) in it. Any people who utilize most Internet Bulletin Boards or chat rooms know the term well. I think it is important to point out though that Freedom is not trying to be a typical Internet board or chat room.

Just a couple of days ago a knew member wrote in a post that he did not know what "LOL" meant. I felt as if he felt somewhat handicapped in getting around our board because he didn't know the lingo. I wrote the following comments to him. Again, I think the comments apply to this situation too.

From the other string:
"LOL" stands for "Laugh Out Loud." This is a very commonly used acronym or computer jargon used around the Internet and especially in chat type rooms. Whether you learn the phrases of not should not impair your ability to work in our site though. We are not an Internet chat site--we are set up to be an educational forum. If you do go on to explore the common acronyms we hope that you never feel the need to use them here. We do realize that there are some people who find us one of the first sites they visit on the Internet. Linda (Grmpyomrss) actually has a good post talking about this. By using phrases that are acronyms not understand to computer novices we may make these people feel like they don't have the necessary Internet language skills to get the full benefit of our board. We hope that a total computer novice can get all of the materials and understanding they need by navigating through our site. So if you are looking to use the Internet for more social chat areas you may want to explore learning the language of the land but to keep up with our site is as easy as understanding one acronym that is sometimes used here which is "NTAP," or more clearly spelled out to just know that to stay smoke free is as simple as knowing to never take another puff!

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From: Joel Sent: 2/2/2004 7:26 AM
One more thing about commonly used computer jargon. Some of them are acronyms for words that are against our profanity clause. Use of those acronyms will be pulled and could result in the loss of posting privileges. Here is our general comment on the topic found in Our Courtesies and Rules - 2003 thread.


Freedom is a Family Channel - Rated "G"
We remind our newbies and lurkers alike that these threads and posts are being read by children and teens around the globe both for purposes of prevention and cessation, and that we are the family channel. Also, many of our members have their own children hanging over their shoulders as they post. We ask each member to keep their language appropriate and rated "G" for general audiences. Thanks!
No profanity will be tolerated at Freedom--this includes cleverly masked words.
Example:
Nev** t*ke an**her p**f!
Most people recognize the masked phrase to mean "never take another puff."
The same people who can figure this out can figure out other disguised terms too.
If you use "G" rated words you can spell out exactly what you mean, so there is no confusion. So to stay free from smoking just remember in no uncertain terms to N E V E R T A K E A N O T H E R P U F F !
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26 Mar 2004, 20:23 #22

We are designed to accomplish one of two goals for our members. We are either going to share with you the understanding you need to stay smoke free for the rest of your life or we ar going to give you enough background understanding about the dangers of smoking and the full implications of being a nicotine addict to **** up your smoking for the rest of your life. Which path you choose is totally up to you. Just know that there is little chance of going back to smoking and experience any form of ignorant bliss. If you choose to stay smoke free just always remember to never take another puff!

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06 Apr 2004, 03:08 #23

Posting Freedom's Message
Posts or Links at other Forums
Every now and then we receive word that one of Freedom's messages has apparently been copied and posted at another quitting forum. It's often done by a visitor here who decides to take part of their visit home with them to share with members at their own forum but we beg all visitors and members alike to NEVER do so. Almost all other online forums are either mixed cold turkey and NRT quitters, or exclusively NRT.
Mixed forums are doing their very very best under difficult circumstances to attempt to support all quitters regardless of the method chosen. To create division or controversy within any mixed support group only weakens the effectiveness of the entire forum. This isn't some game and there are quitters at every forum who, like it or not, have, to one degree or another, invested their confidence into a particular cessation method, procedure or product. We nicotine addicts share a common bond and when one of us breaks free, regardless of how, it's time for celebration by all!
The two figures I most commonly use at WhyQuit when discussing efficacy are Dr. Hughes and Dr. Shiffman's March 2003 OTC NRT meta analysis figure of 7%, which was established by combining and averaging the results of all seven OTC patch and gum studies, and the 10% "on-your-own" six month cold turkey rate, that is at the low end for control and placebo group rates presented in all evidence tables of the June 2000 U.S. Guideline.
What we each need to keep in mind is that these figures are BOTH horrible but that they BOTH reflect unassisted, uneducated and unsupported rates and can be tremendously enhanced if either method is combined with solid support and/or education programs. To disrupt a support program or engage in divisive debate diminishes the forum's effectiveness for all quitters within the group.
We now make all applicants assert that they've read Our Courtesies prior to acceptance into the group and although not required we pray you'll apply them no matter what forum you visit, including our non-debate policy.
The following is a portion of our Mission Statement :
If we are not right for you please don't join. It would be like joining a religious group in order to convert all of their existing followers to your belief or joining a political party for the sole purpose of having all its members vote for the opposing party candidate. When a person joins a group under these terms they are not joining a group, they are trying to subvert the group. This is an act of hostility not an act of support or camaraderie.
When a member joins a mixed cessation method support group they hopefully do so dedicated to an attempt to ensure that every member within the forum receives the very best opportunity possible to break the bonds that bind them - not to divide, weaken and disrupt the forum.
Joanne, Linda and I all came from mixed forums where we worked hard to help every member break free regardless of method. Freedom started as a mixed forum as well. Although not easy, we worked hard making our NRT members as comfortable as possible within the group during our transition into the internet's first forum devoted exclusively supporting abrupt nicotine cessation.
We have lots of members who started their journey with NRT and each day of their healing and freedom from nicotine is every bit as potent as any other members. Although we treat nicotine dependency regardless of delivery device, and we measure cessation only in terms of nicotine cessation, to preach our philosophy into a mixed forum could be devastating to the moral of every quitter not going cold.
Yes, we share all the latest NRT study data both at WhyQuit and sometimes here at Freedom but we don't do so to provide a basis for dispute but so that those about to quit can make informed decisions by seeing important data that they would not otherwise likely ever see.
We beg your assistance in keeping the big picture and what's at stake in mind. Although others may choose different paths, for us there's only one rule, no nicotine today, Never Take Another Puff! John
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Joined: 18 Dec 2008, 23:57

28 Jun 2004, 19:30 #24

We have had a couple of incidents in the past couple of days where newer members put up posts that are not in line with Freedom guidelines. We are not a typical Internet bulletin board where anything goes. We don't allow colorful jokes or the use of colorful phrases. At times we get members who feel the need to press the envelope. This is not a good idea for people who wish to remain Freedom members for we really tolerate very little when it comes to these kind of posts. Posts that get out of hand will be edited or deleted and if repeated by a member or flagrant enough, membership will be pulled.

As this post discusses, we are not trying to be the biggest, most active or the most enteraining site on the Internet. We are going to try to be the most focused on the importance on smoking cessation and a site in which anyone can refer people of any age to come to learn about the dangers of smoking, the benefits of quitting and to understand how to stop and most importantly, how to stay off. We are providing a site that makes it crystral clear in no uncertain and clean terms that the way to get off smoking and to stay off of smoking is as easy as simply knowing to never take another puff!

Joel
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Joined: 18 Dec 2008, 23:57

13 Jul 2004, 22:05 #25

I saw a post from a new member who was also part of a live support group. In her post she mentioned that the group was rather poorly attended, with only three people remaining at the end. I immediately thought of this article.

I actually started running clinics in 1976. This letter was written about a participant in one of the 1976 or early 1977 clinics. This was years before the use of NRT's and well before the time that there were any pharmaceutical company influences on the cessation industry. At that time too expert advise was to never advocate a cold-turkey clinic. That advice was determined on the premise that cold-turkey was just too hard (cutting down was the state of the art at the time) and that you would never be able to get people to sign up for a cold-turkey program.

Of course the first premise was ridiculous as is evident by the fact that well over 90% of the people who successfully quit smoking did so by going cold-turkey. The second premise was also wrong. By the time I was conducting my third or fourth clinic we were packing the room with people wanting to quit.

Actually, by the time I set up a more permanent program based in one location, we were getting anywhere between 40 and 60 people a month signing up for clinics. This was being accomplished with no paid advertising. We were basically a word of mouth program.

I had to laugh to myself every time I encountered other clinic organizers who said there was no way that they would do a cold-turkey program for they just knew they could never get people to come to such a program. Every program that tried to get established in my local area ended up closing their doors within months, or continued limping along with very low attendance until finally giving up. The organizers usually ended up coming to the conclusion that there just was no need for such programs because people just didn't seem to want to quit. If they would have stopped by any of our programs they would have realized just how off base that conclusion was.

It is amazing how little has changed in the past 28 years. The advice out there still seems to be what ever you do don't go cold-turkey because of course it is too hard and if you offer a cold-turkey option no one will show up. Well, all of our members and our readers here are dispelling the second myth and all of the world's millions of long-term successful quitters are dispelling the first one too. The world quitters are showing that quitting is possible and staying free is totally doable by anyone staying committed to never take another puff!

Joel
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