I Liked My Other Support Group More

Joel
Joined: 18 Dec 2008, 23:57

04 Feb 2004, 20:50 #21

I just deleted a string that basically did not fit in to the style that we operate with here at Freedom. While the string was asking about a symptom that may have been caused from quitting smoking, the manner in which the topic was being treated was in less than a serious and adult manner. We don't go for cheap laughs here at Freedom.

Not surprisingly, the string had a few occurrences of the acronym "LOL" (laugh out loud) in it. Any people who utilize most Internet Bulletin Boards or chat rooms know the term well. I think it is important to point out though that Freedom is not trying to be a typical Internet board or chat room.

Just a couple of days ago a knew member wrote in a post that he did not know what "LOL" meant. I felt as if he felt somewhat handicapped in getting around our board because he didn't know the lingo. I wrote the following comments to him. Again, I think the comments apply to this situation too.

From the other string:
"LOL" stands for "Laugh Out Loud." This is a very commonly used acronym or computer jargon used around the Internet and especially in chat type rooms. Whether you learn the phrases of not should not impair your ability to work in our site though. We are not an Internet chat site--we are set up to be an educational forum. If you do go on to explore the common acronyms we hope that you never feel the need to use them here. We do realize that there are some people who find us one of the first sites they visit on the Internet. Linda (Grmpyomrss) actually has a good post talking about this. By using phrases that are acronyms not understand to computer novices we may make these people feel like they don't have the necessary Internet language skills to get the full benefit of our board. We hope that a total computer novice can get all of the materials and understanding they need by navigating through our site. So if you are looking to use the Internet for more social chat areas you may want to explore learning the language of the land but to keep up with our site is as easy as understanding one acronym that is sometimes used here which is "NTAP," or more clearly spelled out to just know that to stay smoke free is as simple as knowing to never take another puff!

Joel



Reply
Image
ImageRecommend ImageDelete Message 17 of 18 in Discussion
From: Joel Sent: 2/2/2004 7:26 AM
One more thing about commonly used computer jargon. Some of them are acronyms for words that are against our profanity clause. Use of those acronyms will be pulled and could result in the loss of posting privileges. Here is our general comment on the topic found in Our Courtesies and Rules - 2003 thread.


Freedom is a Family Channel - Rated "G"
We remind our newbies and lurkers alike that these threads and posts are being read by children and teens around the globe both for purposes of prevention and cessation, and that we are the family channel. Also, many of our members have their own children hanging over their shoulders as they post. We ask each member to keep their language appropriate and rated "G" for general audiences. Thanks!
No profanity will be tolerated at Freedom--this includes cleverly masked words.
Example:
Nev** t*ke an**her p**f!
Most people recognize the masked phrase to mean "never take another puff."
The same people who can figure this out can figure out other disguised terms too.
If you use "G" rated words you can spell out exactly what you mean, so there is no confusion. So to stay free from smoking just remember in no uncertain terms to N E V E R T A K E A N O T H E R P U F F !
Reply

Joel
Joined: 18 Dec 2008, 23:57

26 Mar 2004, 20:23 #22

We are designed to accomplish one of two goals for our members. We are either going to share with you the understanding you need to stay smoke free for the rest of your life or we ar going to give you enough background understanding about the dangers of smoking and the full implications of being a nicotine addict to **** up your smoking for the rest of your life. Which path you choose is totally up to you. Just know that there is little chance of going back to smoking and experience any form of ignorant bliss. If you choose to stay smoke free just always remember to never take another puff!

Joel
Reply

John (Gold)
Joined: 18 Dec 2008, 23:57

06 Apr 2004, 03:08 #23

Posting Freedom's Message
Posts or Links at other Forums Image
Every now and then we receive word that one of Freedom's messages has apparently been copied and posted at another quitting forum. It's often done by a visitor here who decides to take part of their visit home with them to share with members at their own forum but we beg all visitors and members alike to NEVER do so. Almost all other online forums are either mixed cold turkey and NRT quitters, or exclusively NRT.
Mixed forums are doing their very very best under difficult circumstances to attempt to support all quitters regardless of the method chosen. To create division or controversy within any mixed support group only weakens the effectiveness of the entire forum. This isn't some game and there are quitters at every forum who, like it or not, have, to one degree or another, invested their confidence into a particular cessation method, procedure or product. We nicotine addicts share a common bond and when one of us breaks free, regardless of how, it's time for celebration by all!
The two figures I most commonly use at WhyQuit when discussing efficacy are Dr. Hughes and Dr. Shiffman's March 2003 OTC NRT meta analysis figure of 7%, which was established by combining and averaging the results of all seven OTC patch and gum studies, and the 10% "on-your-own" six month cold turkey rate, that is at the low end for control and placebo group rates presented in all evidence tables of the June 2000 U.S. Guideline.
What we each need to keep in mind is that these figures are BOTH horrible but that they BOTH reflect unassisted, uneducated and unsupported rates and can be tremendously enhanced if either method is combined with solid support and/or education programs. To disrupt a support program or engage in divisive debate diminishes the forum's effectiveness for all quitters within the group.
We now make all applicants assert that they've read Our Courtesies prior to acceptance into the group and although not required we pray you'll apply them no matter what forum you visit, including our non-debate policy.
The following is a portion of our Mission Statement :
If we are not right for you please don't join. It would be like joining a religious group in order to convert all of their existing followers to your belief or joining a political party for the sole purpose of having all its members vote for the opposing party candidate. When a person joins a group under these terms they are not joining a group, they are trying to subvert the group. This is an act of hostility not an act of support or camaraderie.
When a member joins a mixed cessation method support group they hopefully do so dedicated to an attempt to ensure that every member within the forum receives the very best opportunity possible to break the bonds that bind them - not to divide, weaken and disrupt the forum.
Joanne, Linda and I all came from mixed forums where we worked hard to help every member break free regardless of method. Freedom started as a mixed forum as well. Although not easy, we worked hard making our NRT members as comfortable as possible within the group during our transition into the internet's first forum devoted exclusively supporting abrupt nicotine cessation.
We have lots of members who started their journey with NRT and each day of their healing and freedom from nicotine is every bit as potent as any other members. Although we treat nicotine dependency regardless of delivery device, and we measure cessation only in terms of nicotine cessation, to preach our philosophy into a mixed forum could be devastating to the moral of every quitter not going cold.
Yes, we share all the latest NRT study data both at WhyQuit and sometimes here at Freedom but we don't do so to provide a basis for dispute but so that those about to quit can make informed decisions by seeing important data that they would not otherwise likely ever see.
We beg your assistance in keeping the big picture and what's at stake in mind. Although others may choose different paths, for us there's only one rule, no nicotine today, Never Take Another Puff! John
Reply

Joel
Joined: 18 Dec 2008, 23:57

28 Jun 2004, 19:30 #24

We have had a couple of incidents in the past couple of days where newer members put up posts that are not in line with Freedom guidelines. We are not a typical Internet bulletin board where anything goes. We don't allow colorful jokes or the use of colorful phrases. At times we get members who feel the need to press the envelope. This is not a good idea for people who wish to remain Freedom members for we really tolerate very little when it comes to these kind of posts. Posts that get out of hand will be edited or deleted and if repeated by a member or flagrant enough, membership will be pulled.

As this post discusses, we are not trying to be the biggest, most active or the most enteraining site on the Internet. We are going to try to be the most focused on the importance on smoking cessation and a site in which anyone can refer people of any age to come to learn about the dangers of smoking, the benefits of quitting and to understand how to stop and most importantly, how to stay off. We are providing a site that makes it crystral clear in no uncertain and clean terms that the way to get off smoking and to stay off of smoking is as easy as simply knowing to never take another puff!

Joel
Reply

Joel
Joined: 18 Dec 2008, 23:57

13 Jul 2004, 22:05 #25

I saw a post from a new member who was also part of a live support group. In her post she mentioned that the group was rather poorly attended, with only three people remaining at the end. I immediately thought of this article.

I actually started running clinics in 1976. This letter was written about a participant in one of the 1976 or early 1977 clinics. This was years before the use of NRT's and well before the time that there were any pharmaceutical company influences on the cessation industry. At that time too expert advise was to never advocate a cold-turkey clinic. That advice was determined on the premise that cold-turkey was just too hard (cutting down was the state of the art at the time) and that you would never be able to get people to sign up for a cold-turkey program.

Of course the first premise was ridiculous as is evident by the fact that well over 90% of the people who successfully quit smoking did so by going cold-turkey. The second premise was also wrong. By the time I was conducting my third or fourth clinic we were packing the room with people wanting to quit.

Actually, by the time I set up a more permanent program based in one location, we were getting anywhere between 40 and 60 people a month signing up for clinics. This was being accomplished with no paid advertising. We were basically a word of mouth program.

I had to laugh to myself every time I encountered other clinic organizers who said there was no way that they would do a cold-turkey program for they just knew they could never get people to come to such a program. Every program that tried to get established in my local area ended up closing their doors within months, or continued limping along with very low attendance until finally giving up. The organizers usually ended up coming to the conclusion that there just was no need for such programs because people just didn't seem to want to quit. If they would have stopped by any of our programs they would have realized just how off base that conclusion was.

It is amazing how little has changed in the past 28 years. The advice out there still seems to be what ever you do don't go cold-turkey because of course it is too hard and if you offer a cold-turkey option no one will show up. Well, all of our members and our readers here are dispelling the second myth and all of the world's millions of long-term successful quitters are dispelling the first one too. The world quitters are showing that quitting is possible and staying free is totally doable by anyone staying committed to never take another puff!

Joel
Reply

Joel
Joined: 18 Dec 2008, 23:57

16 Jul 2004, 11:40 #26

From: Joel Sent: 6/28/2004 6:30 AM
We have had a couple of incidents in the past couple of days where newer members put up posts that are not in line with Freedom guidelines. We are not a typical Internet bulletin board where anything goes. We don't allow colorful jokes or the use of colorful phrases. At times we get members who feel the need to press the envelope. This is not a good idea for people who wish to remain Freedom members for we really tolerate very little when it comes to these kind of posts. Posts that get out of hand will be edited or deleted and if repeated by a member or flagrant enough, membership will be pulled.

As this post discusses, we are not trying to be the biggest, most active or the most enteraining site on the Internet. We are going to try to be the most focused on the importance on smoking cessation and a site in which anyone can refer people of any age to come to learn about the dangers of smoking, the benefits of quitting and to understand how to stop and most importantly, how to stay off. We are providing a site that makes it crystral clear in no uncertain and clean terms that the way to get off smoking and to stay off of smoking is as easy as simply knowing to never take another puff!

Joel

Reply

Joel
Joined: 18 Dec 2008, 23:57

26 Jul 2004, 22:40 #27

Image I thought Carrie would appreciate this. I am lifting this quote from above:

We are not here to debate our approach compared to other sites. People are here because they want to be in an exclusively cold turkey site and, more importantly, a site that doesn't accept relapse as a legitimate occurrence. That is basically an implied contract of membership with us. If a person does want to be in an exclusively cold turkey site or one that rejects the legitimacy of relapsing, he or she is in the wrong place. We are truly sorry if somehow we misled him or her here. If he or she would like to post to us or email us and let us know that he or she feels that the site is wrong for them, we will be more than happy to accommodate him or her and remove them from our membership. This will give the person much more quality time to spend at his of her other site or sites of choice.

We want people here because they want to be here. We want people here to reinforce their decision that quitting smoking was a good choice and that staying off is important to them. Real important to them in fact, one of the most important things they are doing and ever will be doing for their health and their life. We want people here because they want to remember for themselves and help others to understand that to stay smoke free they must never take another puff!

Joel
Reply

Joel
Joined: 18 Dec 2008, 23:57

18 Aug 2004, 19:03 #28

We are designed to accomplish one of two goals for our members. We are either going to share with you the understanding you need to stay smoke free for the rest of your life or we ar going to give you enough background understanding about the dangers of smoking and the full implications of being a nicotine addict to **** up your smoking for the rest of your life. Which path you choose is totally up to you. Just know that there is little chance of going back to smoking and experience any form of ignorant bliss. If you choose to stay smoke free just always remember to never take another puff!

Joel
Reply

Joel
Joined: 18 Dec 2008, 23:57

15 Sep 2004, 19:43 #29

We pulled a couple of posts from late last night because they were using humor that to some might be considered poor taste. One was for the use of colorful phrasing, the other was tying into some current events happening in the world that people experiencing the problems may not find all that humorous. I am going to paste the following comment from above that really covers this issue:
From: Joel
Sent: 6/28/2004 6:30 AM
We have had a couple of incidents in the past couple of days where newer members put up posts that are not in line with Freedom guidelines. We are not a typical Internet bulletin board where anything goes. We don't allow colorful jokes or the use of colorful phrases. At times we get members who feel the need to press the envelope. This is not a good idea for people who wish to remain Freedom members for we really tolerate very little when it comes to these kind of posts. Posts that get out of hand will be edited or deleted and if repeated by a member or flagrant enough, membership will be pulled.

As this post discusses, we are not trying to be the biggest, most active or the most enteraining site on the Internet. We are going to try to be the most focused on the importance on smoking cessation and a site in which anyone can refer people of any age to come to learn about the dangers of smoking, the benefits of quitting and to understand how to stop and most importantly, how to stay off. We are providing a site that makes it crystral clear in no uncertain and clean terms that the way to get off smoking and to stay off of smoking is as easy as simply knowing to never take another puff!

Joel

Reply

Joel
Joined: 18 Dec 2008, 23:57

23 Sep 2004, 18:40 #30

I pulled a post this morning from a string. This comment from above explains the reason the post was removed:

We are not a typical Internet bulletin board where anything goes. We don't allow colorful jokes or the use of colorful phrases. At times we get members who feel the need to press the envelope. This is not a good idea for people who wish to remain Freedom members for we really tolerate very little when it comes to these kind of posts. Posts that get out of hand will be edited or deleted and if repeated by a member or flagrant enough, membership will be pulled. As this post discusses, we are not trying to be the biggest, most active or the most enteraining site on the Internet. We are going to try to be the most focused on the importance on smoking cessation and a site in which anyone can refer people of any age to come to learn about the dangers of smoking, the benefits of quitting and to understand how to stop and most importantly, how to stay off. We are providing a site that makes it crystral clear in no uncertain and clean terms that the way to get off smoking and to stay off of smoking is as easy as simply knowing to never take another puff!

Joel
Reply